Flyers can easily walk away from Jagr. And would be wise to do so. Soon to be 41 year olds who are prone to lower extremity injuries aren't exactly in demand.
- PLindbergh31

How can the Flyers easily walk away? I've already stated all the reasons as to why they might have to hang on to him. If the Flyers are serious about upgrading the D, that might mean trading away forwards who are currently under contract.

You can just call me Mr. Drama.

How about Carter scoring a clutch goal the other night... guess it was only because it wasnt an open net
- jak521

63 playoff games...blind squirrel, nut. About time he did something meaningful. He'll be back to passenger status in games 3 and 4.

Not sure a number can be put on it Joe. But as we have seen through the years nothing deflates a team more than the goaltender allowing a soft goal. Sure it happens to every goalie, it's the frequency and the times they do happen that are the key.

I will be the first to admit the team defense as a whole has to improve significantly around Bryzgalov, but there is room for him to improve as well. Year 1 is a year to get acclimated to his new team, he gets a pass for his uneven play. Year 2 he has to be better.
- PLindbergh31

I think Bryz will be better and it should be expected of him. As a supporter I admit he got an amount of slack from me simply due to him being in a much different environment. Now going into year two I want to see more consistency from him. I think even Bill, brought it up how he looks out of focus sometimes and what I took from that was how he looked lackadaisical at times. I don't want to see that next year or yes I too will grind a bit of an axe.

As for his playoff tenure I think we do him a bit of a disservice and not look at that Penguins series without considering he played through and injury against and offensive juggernaut that his team gave him little support against through most of that series too. However he did get better in the next series and was far from the reason we lost that series. Lets face it the Flyers brightspot of that series was in fact Bryzgalov himself, even Giroux had a bad series. So going forward I expect every returning player to play up to their ability.

Not entirely true. He has shown what he is capable of.. and was on pace for career highs but injuries derailed him.

Everybody kills the guy because he hasnt torn the league apart yet.. however, over his first 3 seasons, he is right on par with other talented big men in the league.

See: Joe Thornton
- jak521

Look at the contract James Neal just signed. He's a power forward of pretty much the same age as JVR. In comparing the two contracts how is JVR's contract not a bad one at the moment?

I think Bryz will be better and it should be expected of him. As a supporter I admit he got an amount of slack from me simply due to him being in a much different environment. Now going into year two I want to see more consistency from him. I think even Bill, brought it up how he looks out of focus sometimes and what I took from that was how he looked lackadaisical at times. I don't want to see that next year or yes I too will grind a bit of an axe.

As for his playoff tenure I think we do him a bit of a disservice and not look at that Penguins series without considering he played through and injury against and offensive juggernaut that his team gave him little support against through most of that series too. However he did get better in the next series and was far from the reason we lost that series. Lets face it the Flyers brightspot of that series was in fact Bryzgalov himself, even Giroux had a bad series. So going forward I expect every returning player to play up to their ability.
- JoeRussomanno

Bryzgalov's lateral movement was sloth like at times. Injury certainly played a big part in that, and cannot be overlooked. Agreed.

Bryzgalov's lateral movement was sloth like at times. Injury certainly played a big part in that, and cannot be overlooked. Agreed.
- PLindbergh31

If he plays like he did in March (which I think he will) the Flyers will be just fine. This team had over 100 points with so many injuries and rookies. The goalie didnt play up to his ability and this team still managed to exceed expectations this year. Next year is huge for this club, have to take the next step.

If he plays like he did in March (which I think he will) the Flyers will be just fine. This team had over 100 points with so many injuries and rookies. The goalie didnt play up to his ability and this team still managed to exceed expectations this year. Next year is huge for this club, have to take the next step.
- stveshdy

I agree. Flyers have just as much talent as any team in the NHL. Commitment to team defense has to get better, as does the goaltender. If both happen the sky is the limit. Of course good injury fortune would help, but that doesn't seem to ever happen, and at this point isn't just bad luck. When something happens over and over, year, after year it becomes a trend.

Joe problem is Esche wasn't being paid like Bryzaglov. Money is a factor in a cap world.
- stveshdy

Esche didn't have the resume that Bryzgalov had either. IIRC when he wanted more money they let him hit the road. Not sure that wasn't the right move but sooner or later we gotta dig in with one of these goalies and take the good with the bad (oh wait we just did ). Teams can make goalies look better at times (see Brodeur this year) and vice versa however I think Bryz should have showed us in the NJ series he's capable of taking us where we want to go, hell even Lundqvist didn't do much better against them.

I just wonder if the Flyers really just pull a move out of left field. I just have a strange feeling they may get into the Kane sweepstakes. I think Luce allowed him to live in his house during his junior days I believe. Listen, I know it is crazy and ludicruous, but this is the Flyers.

I just wonder how much of a priority it is for them to find a really talented winger who can skate and be as creative to play along with G. Hartnell is very good at what he does in the corners and in front of the net. I think they hope JVR might be that guy, I'm not sure Voracek has the scoring ability and really no one else on the roster fits the bill.

Not sure a number can be put on it Joe. But as we have seen through the years nothing deflates a team more than the goaltender allowing a soft goal. Sure it happens to every goalie, it's the frequency and the times they do happen that are the key.

I will be the first to admit the team defense as a whole has to improve significantly around Bryzgalov, but there is room for him to improve as well. Year 1 is a year to get acclimated to his new team, he gets a pass for his uneven play. Year 2 he has to be better.
- PLindbergh31

This is where I get frustrated...

From January through March:
Bryz:31 gp- 62ga- 2.00 gaa- 839 shots faced- 777 saves- save% .926
Quick:34 gp-60ga-1.76 gaa- 842 shots faced- 782 saves- save% .928


This first part of the season he was really up and down, but after he got acclimated and what not, he was far more consistent. he played in a total of 59 games.. So my sample size is more than half of his total season. He is absolutely capable of winning a cup.

How can the Flyers easily walk away? I've already stated all the reasons as to why they might have to hang on to him. If the Flyers are serious about upgrading the D, that might mean trading away forwards who are currently under contract.
- roenick97

Flyers don't need a 41 yr old guy who is injury prone. Time to move on.

If I had my druthers, it would take nothing but $ to get him to Philadelphia. Timonen is off the books next year, there is your cap space. But I doubt the Preds lose him for nothing if they can't get him locked up.

I think it would start at Couturier + #1 and expand from there.

People who throw JVR's name around in trade scenarios are forgetting something, right now he's nothing more than an injury prone, bad contract lottery ticket. He doesn't have much value right now. Flyers would be wise to hold on to him and let him build value.
- PLindbergh31

I disagree wholeheartedly that that is how JVr would be viewed around the League. And He definitely has value, and a high value at that.

This is where I get frustrated...

From January through March:
Bryz:31 gp- 62ga- 2.00 gaa- 839 shots faced- 777 saves- save% .926
Quick:34 gp-60ga-1.76 gaa- 842 shots faced- 782 saves- save% .928


This first part of the season he was really up and down, but after he got acclimated and what not, he was far more consistent. he played in a total of 59 games.. So my sample size is more than half of his total season. He is absolutely capable of winning a cup.
- jak521

year one was a mixed bag. Great at times, terrible at times. More consistency is needed.

Look at the contract James Neal just signed. He's a power forward of pretty much the same age as JVR. In comparing the two contracts how is JVR's contract not a bad one at the moment?
- PLindbergh31

I cant say.. his contract kicks in next season.. If he can play 75 games- pot 25-35 goals, 30+ assists, while adding size and speed on the wing.. 4.25 mill is a steal.

This is where I get frustrated...

From January through March:
Bryz:31 gp- 62ga- 2.00 gaa- 839 shots faced- 777 saves- save% .926
Quick:34 gp-60ga-1.76 gaa- 842 shots faced- 782 saves- save% .928


This first part of the season he was really up and down, but after he got acclimated and what not, he was far more consistent. he played in a total of 59 games.. So my sample size is more than half of his total season. He is absolutely capable of winning a cup.
- jak521

If i keep seeing the team in front of him leaving the other side's most lethal wingers wide open to Bryz's blindside I'm not going to yap about how bad he is, If I see him casually gliding in his crease to stop a bouncing puck or lunge like he's encased in molasses to poke check a puck then yea I'll be all over him next year. Like you said though, he got better as the year went on and showed us he's capable of winning a cup here. Just give him a little help for crying out loud, the rags basically kamikaze themselves for Lundqvist and he's suppossedly the King.

Also the Devils just play all around good hockey and look where that got them with an aging Brodeur.

Esche didn't have the resume that Bryzgalov had either. IIRC when he wanted more money they let him hit the road. Not sure that wasn't the right move but sooner or later we gotta dig in with one of these goalies and take the good with the bad (oh wait we just did ). Teams can make goalies look better at times (see Brodeur this year) and vice versa however I think Bryz should have showed us in the NJ series he's capable of taking us where we want to go, hell even Lundqvist didn't do much better against them.
- JoeRussomanno

I'm a Bryzgalov supporter as well. I just think he can play much better next year. The Flyers made a commitment to him and hes the goalie of this team for awhile. He will have his up's and down's but in the end I still believe he can be a great goalie for this team.

year one was a mixed bag. Great at times, terrible at times. More consistency is needed.
- PLindbergh31

Thats my point.. he was incredibly inconsistent to start the year.. but really turned it around over the second half (a few ugly games over the course of the 2nd half of the season). For people to ignore what he did second half of the season.. its pretty slighting.

Thats my point.. he was incredibly inconsistent to start the year.. but really turned it around over the second half (a few ugly games over the course of the 2nd half of the season). For people to ignore what he did second half of the season.. its pretty slighting.
- jak521

He was probably the best goalie in the league at one point late in the season (March I believe). He was like a human wall in net and then the injury occured and his play tailed off again.

I cant say.. his contract kicks in next season.. If he can play 75 games- pot 25-35 goals, 30+ assists, while adding size and speed on the wing.. 4.25 mill is a steal.
- jak521

IF.... Huge word. Any sentence that is prefaced by the word IF really doesn't have much meaning.

Penguins have already seen Neal have a 40 goal season, and his contract is similar to JVR's

I disagree wholeheartedly that that is how JVr would be viewed around the League. And He definitely has value, and a high value at that.
- MJL

I posted the # 2 picks in the last nine drafts. JVR has significantly less value than every player drafted in that slot.

What's that tell you?

Depends who the roster players are, and if you can address it in FA. For example... (disclaimer. this is not a trade proposal) If the players going the other way are Schenn, Voracek, and Coburn. Could the Flyers not sign players like Konopka, Langenbrunner, and Gill. Cheap players, that fill roles we currently dont have on the team, checking line guys.

Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Briere-Simmonds
Talbot-Couturier-Langenbrunner
Read-Konopka-Wellwood

Sestito, Rinaldo for injury replacements.
Timonen-Weber
Grossmann-Bourdon/Gusteffson
Gill-Meszaros

IMO the above team will become much more sound defensively, both on the forward and defense.
- RooNosHockey

I'm not sure what Konopka, and either an aging Langenbrunner and Gill are gonna do.

IF.... Huge word. Any sentence that is prefaced by the word IF really doesn't have much meaning.

Penguins have already seen Neal have a 40 goal season, and his contract is similar to JVR's
- PLindbergh31

I understand what you are saying.. but you are also basing in it on if's. IF he doesnt perform up to the level they expect of him. Lets see what he does next year, then we can decide if it was a bad move.

The contract kicks in next season. He was on pace for 30 goals 30 assists last season, aside from injuries. The only true if (IMO) is IF he can play 75 games. Hopefully his hip does well with surgery.

I posted the # 2 picks in the last nine drafts. JVR has significantly less value than every player drafted in that slot.

What's that tell you?
- PLindbergh31

The draft year wasnt strong? Ill tell you right now, if the Flyers said JvR was for sale.. 29 teams would be buying.

Look at the contract James Neal just signed. He's a power forward of pretty much the same age as JVR. In comparing the two contracts how is JVR's contract not a bad one at the moment?
- PLindbergh31

JVr's new contract is for next Season. JVR has not played a single game under that contract. If he comes out and plays the way he's capable of, and how he was playing before the injuries ruined his Season, he will be well worth the contract extension. I think it is only fair to let him play at least a few games under the deal before labeling a bad deal at the moment.

I understand what you are saying.. but you are also basing in it on if's. IF he doesnt perform up to the level they expect of him. Lets see what he does next year, then we can decide if it was a bad move.

The contract kicks in next season. He was on pace for 30 goals 30 assists last season, aside from injuries. The only true if (IMO) is IF he can play 75 games. Hopefully his hip does well with surgery.
- jak521

I'm with you. I don't want to sell low on the guy. I think if given the opportunity to play on the top line with Giroux, JVR could have a monster year.

I certainly wouldn't deal him for Luke Schenn. Flyers would end up looking silly if they made that trade.