damn dis respect to your captain dawg that ain't right.

I thought you drank milk?
Myers for the first pick.
- homiedclown

myers is solid but, nah
- hoasis

You're (frank)ing insane.

At Reinhart's response to Gord Miller saying thanks for the interview at the combine

Also, I'm hoping that Subban is available when the Oilers take their second round pick. He's going to be a beaut... But the fact that Button also likes Subban kind of worries me.

Edmonton is not a big draw for FA's, lets face it. The weather is poop for 85% of the year and its not the most exciting city in the world. I love it here myself, but if I was a millionare I would be picking a better destination for me and my family.

You're best scenario to get talent to fill major holes in your line up is through the draft or trades and he is a chance to trade something that you have an abundance of already (scoring) for something you are sorely lacking (defense) with the addition of adding more talent to your roster.

Murray is going to be a number 1 dman in this league and is has been suggested to be the one guy in this draft who is capable of making the jump to the NHL right away and we all know poor Whitney needs some help back there.

You have Klefbom and Marincin coming through the system but those guys are a few years away from making any kind of impact to the lineup while Murray can step in right away and provide some stability and scoring from the blueline.

For example, the Islanders would kill to bring in a name like Yakupov along with JT. Take the 4th (Murray), Strome or Niederreiter. Two really good assets for one great asset.
- Trejetta

1)When Edmonton looks like a Cup contender, they will be a preferred destination for free agents.
2)3 years ago would have been the time for a quality-for-depth deal. If we had had, say, an Iginla and a Kipper and a Glencross to move, we could have spent less time at the bottom. As it was, we blew goats for draft picks for three years (hockey insiders call this the Snow Job. Eh? See what I did there?) In 2 or 3 years we will have to make a depth-for-quality trade to put ourselves over the top from playoff contender to Cup contender. In the meantime? I'd say trade the pick if you're offered an equivalently talented defender or goaltender. Yaks will likely win scoring titles. The man I want back for him will likely win Norrises or Vezinas, or better yet, both.
3)While most people seem to think Murray will step right into the NHL next season, no one knows his ceiling yet, or that of any other defender in his class. We are simply unable to assess young defensemen and goaltenders as accurately as we assess young forwards. I invite you to scroll through the top 10 draft picks of the last 10 drafts - there have been d-men there, and less of them have panned out than the forwards. Also, there are teams who took X dman when they could have had Y forward, and getting a dud with, say, a #3 overall pick really hurts your franchise. Finally, you will also notice that the d-men took longer to reach their ceilings than most of the forwards.
4)You spoke of "major roster holes". Our only major roster hole is a #1 defender (move everyone down 1 spot on our D depth chart and we look respectable. Then wait a couple years for our glut of prospects to develop and we can bundle a few of them for whoever we're missing at that point). Granted we have "major roster problems" (dearth of right-shooting d-men, smurfs in the top 6, serfs in the bottom 6, but it's the #1 d-man who's worth the earth. In other news, oh God I am a giant geek for being as amused by that sentence as I am).
5)Not so eager, young one. Next year is compete for the playoffs, year after that is make the playoffs, and there will be many opportunities in the next 2 years to improve the overall roster balance without overpaying. And if we do get stuck overpaying, at least it isn't until the moment where we figure we're going to put on our big boy skates and put down the mouthwash (yes, that was another goat blowing joke. What? Too soon?) and stop accepting failure.

We can work out a trade for the fifth so that you can grab one of those dmen if you want to send us Ebs back in return.... I know that he's not the centre that we need but holy Jesus, the thought of Ebs in a Leafs sweater is pretty damn awesome



and entirely unrealistic...
- lumlums

...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, about that... we're gonna have to ask you to move that trade proposal to the basement... so if you could go ahead and that, it would be great. Allright, thanks!

your nuts your tellin me price is worth as much as gardiner and nuber 5. too much burkie juice boy
- keithboykid

What goaltender would have a higher trade value than Price right now? Quick, I suppose. I can't think of anyone else, even Schneider. And Bryzgalov, of course

Seriously, though - Carey Price looks to me like the keeper with the best combination of pedigree, talent, character, compete, youth, and durability. Put simply, he looks like the surest bet to me to be the best franchise keeper in the NHL over the next ~12 years. I wouldn't trade him unless for a ridiculous overpayment.

Also, I'm hoping that Subban is available when the Oilers take their second round pick. He's going to be a beaut... But the fact that Button also likes Subban kind of worries me.
- laughs2907

Yeah, me too. I'd be really tempted to swap up to the mid-late 1st round if Subban was still available.

What goaltender would have a higher trade value than Price right now? Quick, I suppose. I can't think of anyone else, even Schneider. And Bryzgalov, of course

Seriously, though - Carey Price looks to me like the keeper with the best combination of pedigree, talent, character, compete, youth, and durability. Put simply, he looks like the surest bet to me to be the best franchise keeper in the NHL over the next ~12 years. I wouldn't trade him unless for a ridiculous overpayment.
- thefullnelson

I 100% agree. I remember after the Habs 2010 playoff run and it was poop or get off the pot time everyone was screaming for Price to be traded but I always though it was a bad idea. Not to say Halak isn't a great goalie, because he is, but Price's unique skill set combined with his still fairly young age as far as goalies are concerned is undeniable.

Here is an idea for everyone to mull over. Say the Oilers do take Yakupov, they will obviously be looking for a defensemen with their next pick. Washington will be drafting at 11th overall with Colorado's pick, and Washington needs immediate help for their team as opposed to a prospect for 2-3 years down the road. Almost all the pieces are in place, they just need a little extra help on offence to get to where they need to be. Considering that they are also drafting at 22nd overall with their own first round pick, it is safe to say that, for the right price, they would be willing to trade the 11th pick. If Reinhart and/or Dumba are still around at 11 (which at least one of them probably will be, hopefully Reinhart), would it make sense to anybody else for the Oil to trade for this pick?

I'm not sure what it would take to get the pick. Maybe 31st and Gagner for 11th overall and Washington's 3rd rounder?

EDIT: Perhaps this deal could turn into an even larger one involving an NHL ready defensemen instead? Gagner, a good prospect, and 31st for Carlson?

Here is an idea for everyone to mull over. Say the Oilers do take Yakupov, they will obviously be looking for a defensemen with their next pick. Washington will be drafting at 11th overall with Colorado's pick, and Washington needs immediate help for their team as opposed to a prospect for 2-3 years down the road. Almost all the pieces are in place, they just need a little extra help on offence to get to where they need to be. Considering that they are also drafting at 22nd overall with their own first round pick, it is safe to say that, for the right price, they would be willing to trade the 11th pick. If Reinhart and/or Dumba are still around at 11 (which at least one of them probably will be, hopefully Reinhart), would it make sense to anybody else for the Oil to trade for this pick?

I'm not sure what it would take to get the pick. Maybe 31st and Gagner for 11th overall and Washington's 3rd rounder?

EDIT: Perhaps this deal could turn into an even larger one involving an NHL ready defensemen instead? Gagner, a good prospect, and 31st for Carlson?
- dallas717

How does this help the caps that are in "win now" mode?

Carlson>>Gagner

How does this help the caps that are in "win now" mode?

Carlson>>Gagner
- gretzky

True enough, I only thought of that when coming up with the first deal, although Washington is very deep on D (provided they don't lose Wideman). Maybe remove the prospect and add in Hemsky with a 2nd or 3rd coming back to the Oil? I'm not sure exactly how it would work, just a thought.

True enough, I only thought of that when coming up with the first deal, although Washington is very deep on D (provided they don't lose Wideman). Maybe remove the prospect and add in Hemsky with a 2nd or 3rd coming back to the Oil? I'm not sure exactly how it would work, just a thought.
- dallas717

Hemsky+R. Jones+1st overall for Carlson+11th overall would be the kind of trade they would maybe consider because Yakupov is expected to produce quickly at the NHL level and Jones and Hemsky provide help up front (in different ways).

They will want players who can contribute significantly next year if they trade someone as important as Carlson is for them. Anyone who lands Carlson will overpay too.

Hemsky+R. Jones+1st overall for Carlson+11th overall would be the kind of trade they would maybe consider because Yakupov is expected to produce quickly at the NHL level and Jones and Hemsky provide help up front (in different ways).

They will want players who can contribute significantly next year if they trade someone as important as Carlson is for them. Anyone who lands Carlson will overpay too.
- gretzky

That is probably what it takes to get Carlson and the 11th, but from the Oilers perspective... hell no
I think Carlson is going to be great but I think Yak is going to be special. Keep the pick.

Hemsky+R. Jones+1st overall for Carlson+11th overall would be the kind of trade they would maybe consider because Yakupov is expected to produce quickly at the NHL level and Jones and Hemsky provide help up front (in different ways).

They will want players who can contribute significantly next year if they trade someone as important as Carlson is for them. Anyone who lands Carlson will overpay too.
- gretzky

Yeah no thanks.

Hemsky+R. Jones+1st overall for Carlson+11th overall would be the kind of trade they would maybe consider because Yakupov is expected to produce quickly at the NHL level and Jones and Hemsky provide help up front (in different ways).

They will want players who can contribute significantly next year if they trade someone as important as Carlson is for them. Anyone who lands Carlson will overpay too.
- gretzky

EDM may have to overpay for Carlson, but I would not trade the 1st overall for him. EDM has other assets to build up and overpay for Carlson.

Agree on the last 3 posts.... plus as much of a hardon we have for Carlson, would it not be equallyas stiff for Was and Yaks?

[quote=OilHorse]I'll play that game... mid first round picks the oil have made in the last 20 years?

You cannot use 20 years as scouting and development have progress immensely in the past decade. Since the lockout is too few so let me use since the new millennium.

picks 11 to 20 since 2000:

2000- #17: Mikhnnov (2 games for the Oil, plays KHL now); 2001- #13 Hemsky; 2002- #15: Niinimaki (played almost exclusively for Finnish teams); 2004- #14: Dubnyk; 2007- #15 : Plante (selected higher than expected to go, so should not have been selected there); 2011- #19: Klefbom (top D prospect)

So in recent memory in the mid-1st the Oil picked a top6 forward (arguably and elite player), a potential #1 goalie for the team who is still developing and a Top 4 potential Dman.

they also picked poorly with Plante as he should have been a much lower pick and 2 guys that have not played in NA much, as likely that they decided that NA was not where they wanted to live and moved to be closer to home.

Remember that Stu McGregor took over as Head Scout in 07, Plante was not on his watch, but Klefbom is.


Talent is not something you can ever have enough of and of those 4 guys only Wilson imo is the least likely to reach potential. And he is the lowest of the picks. Not al these guys will play in Edm...it is possible that as they develop they are traded for other pieces, but the more talent you amass the better your chances of hitting a homerun.

I htink you miss much in your desire to try and put me down...it is not #1 + for those guys...it is those guys for #1...Many guys with high talent for a single guy with higher talent.
3 Wild Cards 3 You also forgot that you must trade more assets to move up. You also assume that stu would agree with your suggestions and picks those players (you (frank)ing cochamaroach) and you also assume, that those players will be there when you pick, I don't have to assume you are retarded anymore. Yaks is who we are taking, no one wants 3 picks in the 7 -15 spots in a weak draft, and if you get them there was a reason, that again would be why you are retarded and probably could pull this deal off.

Colin Fraser... worst player on the worst team in the league.


Also


Effective role player on the best team in the league.

[quote=OilHorse]I'll play that game... mid first round picks the oil have made in the last 20 years?

You cannot use 20 years as scouting and development have progress immensely in the past decade. Since the lockout is too few so let me use since the new millennium.

picks 11 to 20 since 2000:

2000- #17: Mikhnnov (2 games for the Oil, plays KHL now); 2001- #13 Hemsky; 2002- #15: Niinimaki (played almost exclusively for Finnish teams); 2004- #14: Dubnyk; 2007- #15 : Plante (selected higher than expected to go, so should not have been selected there); 2011- #19: Klefbom (top D prospect)

So in recent memory in the mid-1st the Oil picked a top6 forward (arguably and elite player), a potential #1 goalie for the team who is still developing and a Top 4 potential Dman.

they also picked poorly with Plante as he should have been a much lower pick and 2 guys that have not played in NA much, as likely that they decided that NA was not where they wanted to live and moved to be closer to home.

Remember that Stu McGregor took over as Head Scout in 07, Plante was not on his watch, but Klefbom is.


Talent is not something you can ever have enough of and of those 4 guys only Wilson imo is the least likely to reach potential. And he is the lowest of the picks. Not al these guys will play in Edm...it is possible that as they develop they are traded for other pieces, but the more talent you amass the better your chances of hitting a homerun.

I htink you miss much in your desire to try and put me down...it is not #1 + for those guys...it is those guys for #1...Many guys with high talent for a single guy with higher talent.
3 Wild Cards 3 You also forgot that you must trade more assets to move up. You also assume that stu would agree with your suggestions and picks those players (you (frank)ing cochamaroach) and you also assume, that those players will be there when you pick, I don't have to assume you are retarded anymore. Yaks is who we are taking, no one wants 3 picks in the 7 -15 spots in a weak draft, and if you get them there was a reason, that again would be why you are retarded and probably could pull this deal off.
- DrinkOil

You cannot format properly and you call me retarded???

Also cannot understand how to talk in hypothetical.

Okay there Forest. Or should I use your first name, Pot?

Price to Edm for Nail
Luongo to Mtl for 5 lbs of Schwartz's smoke meat.

During the CBC Hotstove lastnight, it was interesting to hear the panel and most notably Glenn Healey adamantly state the Oilers HAVE to trade the pick; stammering on about not being able to have or keep all those stars/ star potential and that the Oilers really do want Murray - et cetera.

He's a blow hard indeed but I do wonder if Oiler brass' really do hope for the right offer.

This draft can't come fast enough.

Pick Nail. Deal from a position of strength later if you have too.

Price to Edm for Nail
Luongo to Mtl for 5 lbs of Schwartz's smoke meat.
- VANTEL

Kane to Buff for Miller
Luo to Buff for nothing but cap space of course

During the CBC Hotstove lastnight, it was interesting to hear the panel and most notably Glenn Healey adamantly state the Oilers HAVE to trade the pick; stammering on about not being able to have or keep all those stars/ star potential and that the Oilers really do want Murray - et cetera.

He's a blow hard indeed but I do wonder if Oiler brass' really do hope for the right offer.

This draft can't come fast enough.

Pick Nail. Deal from a position of strength later if you have too.
- Salvo

If we want Murray, the only team we should trade with is Columbus.

Healey is kind of a zorch. We could afford those guys, or we could draft Yak, let him play a year or two and then trade one of the big 4 (if need be) for a defensive stud.

I wish Columbus had won the lotto though. I think I would have rather drafted Murray and not have to worry about passing on Yakupov (a guy who may be one of the top scorers in the league)

I 100% agree. I remember after the Habs 2010 playoff run and it was poop or get off the pot time everyone was screaming for Price to be traded but I always though it was a bad idea. Not to say Halak isn't a great goalie, because he is, but Price's unique skill set combined with his still fairly young age as far as goalies are concerned is undeniable.
- dallas717

Not only are his hockey skills impressive, but he seems to have conquered his personality issues, and I can't say enough about the level of maturity demanded of goaltenders, night in, night out. This kid has faced and dealt with his issues and barring disaster, he will spend the next decade plus trying to make his name bigger than Roy's. More power to him.