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p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 31 @ 3:51 PM ET
Crawford has been fired by 4 western conference teams in his career, i don't think the oilers will even consider a guy with that kind of resume. I know the candidates, don't need the bio.
- Oil_Addict


He also had his best coaching years when he had the likes of Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Drury, Naslund, Bertuzzi, etc. He coaches a very good offensively-oriented playing style. When he went to Dallas and L.A., he had less to work with that suited his coaching style.
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

May 31 @ 3:54 PM ET
Eakins will suck a lot of the offensive skill out of the top players, not unlike what Hunter did with Ovechkin et al. The organization needs to decide which direction to take...win on offense, in which case guys like Crawford are the best option. If they want to win on defense, then go with Eakins, Therrien, etc.
- p_zub



Well considering the future you have to consider offensive minded backgrounds... I mean 4 potential stars and love creativity and scoring... you cant take that away and focus on defense IMO... Is sutter not creative offensively?
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 3:54 PM ET
He also had his best coaching years when he had the likes of Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Drury, Naslund, Bertuzzi, etc. He coaches a very good offensively-oriented playing style. When he went to Dallas and L.A., he had less to work with that suited his coaching style.
- p_zub


Regardless who the Oilers bring in, they need someone who is going to identify/realize the future of the team is with Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, Gagner, Smid, Petry, Dubnyk and Nuge, and not with Belanger, Horcoff, Hemsky, and Smyth.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 3:55 PM ET
Well considering the future you have to consider offensive minded backgrounds... I mean 4 potential stars and love creativity and scoring... you cant take that away and focus on defense IMO... Is sutter not creative offensively?
- saskoil21


Sutter is creative with chocolate pudding, but he's not so good with crayons. From what I hear.

Note: Feaster doesn't like to share his crayon collection. Not kind with markers either.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

May 31 @ 3:56 PM ET
The signing of Davidson likely means other prospects taken during the 2010 draft - Jeremie Blain and Drew Czerwonka, will likely not be signed, and will re-enter the draft in June. A team can carry only so many contracts; it's as simple as that.

Gregor stated this earlier in the week.

Blain's racist comment doesn't help him and Czerwonka lost out to Pelss
Oil_Addict
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.18.2008

May 31 @ 3:57 PM ET
They way you disregard Crawford, I kinda think you do.
- Maxbone


When did he win a cup, 1996? I've heard nothing to the fact that he's being considered so i'm doubtful he even gets an interview. Did he not interview 3 years ago and was passed on for Quinn/Renney?
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

May 31 @ 3:57 PM ET
Krueger is who I think as of late. I just hope he has a say in his assistants.
ElPhantasmo69
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 12.07.2006

May 31 @ 3:59 PM ET
Edmonton is going to have four elite-level players to coach.

The Flames have an elite-level mascot to watch.

Which would you rather work with?

- Maxbone


It won't do any good since the Oilers fail to attract any depth talent to help the team win. even Pittsburgh didn't need the kind of crazy talent you're accumulating to win the cup. If you can't assemble a proper defense or get a decent netminder, you'll keep wallowing with the rest of the flotsam.

Again, your lack of objectivity shows. You have to resort to this to deflect criticism away from your team's utter lack of success? You call Feaster names (I don't like him either, but that's besides the point) and are incredulous that he still has a job, yet can't comprehend that in his first year of being a GM he's managed to divest himself of a crapload of bad contracts, given the team a bit of wiggle room, addressed the issue of scouting, given young players a chance, hired a coach that may help improve the team's fortunes and stopped trading with Toronto. What has the Oilers' mis-manager done? Built a consistent loser after going to the cup finals, lost every draft lottery in recent memory; failed to build a solid defensive core, and managed to keep his job. Who is the buffoon here?

If you're going to write a blog, please try in the future to build credibility and respectability. Oilers' fans deserve better as do the rest of us.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 4:00 PM ET
When did he win a cup, 1996? I've heard nothing to the fact that he's being considered so i'm doubtful he even gets an interview. Did he not interview 3 years ago and was passed on for Quinn/Renney?
- Oil_Addict


Which should indicate a willingness by the Oilers to interview him for this job. Obviously they saw something in him then to short list him.
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

May 31 @ 4:00 PM ET
The signing of Davidson likely means other prospects taken during the 2010 draft - Jeremie Blain and Drew Czerwonka, will likely not be signed, and will re-enter the draft in June. A team can carry only so many contracts; it's as simple as that.

Gregor stated this earlier in the week.

Blain's racist comment doesn't help him and Czerwonka lost out to Pelss

- Lahey


Is Blain any good? I am not sure you do not sign a player because of a slighting of a comment that may or may not have been taken a tad out of context...
Oil_Addict
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.18.2008

May 31 @ 4:02 PM ET
It won't do any good since the Oilers fail to attract any depth talent to help the team win. even Pittsburgh didn't need the kind of crazy talent you're accumulating to win the cup. If you can't assemble a proper defense or get a decent netminder, you'll keep wallowing with the rest of the flotsam.

Again, your lack of objectivity shows. You have to resort to this to deflect criticism away from your team's utter lack of success? You call Feaster names (I don't like him either, but that's besides the point) and are incredulous that he still has a job, yet can't comprehend that in his first year of being a GM he's managed to divest himself of a crapload of bad contracts, given the team a bit of wiggle room, addressed the issue of scouting, given young players a chance, hired a coach that may help improve the team's fortunes and stopped trading with Toronto. What has the Oilers' mis-manager done? Built a consistent loser after going to the cup finals, lost every draft lottery in recent memory; failed to build a solid defensive core, and managed to keep his job. Who is the buffoon here?

If you're going to write a blog, please try in the future to build credibility and respectability. Oilers' fans deserve better as do the rest of us.

- ElPhantasmo69


It's pretty common knowledge that people would rather have the oilers roster than the flames. You can draft depth, that will be the oilers problem until those guys develop and the team becomes more balanced.
Oil_Addict
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.18.2008

May 31 @ 4:03 PM ET
Which should indicate a willingness by the Oilers to interview him for this job. Obviously they saw something in him then to short list him.
- Maxbone


I just think he's behind a bunch of guys, he'd be my sixth or seventh choice as of right now
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

May 31 @ 4:05 PM ET
It won't do any good since the Oilers fail to attract any depth talent to help the team win. even Pittsburgh didn't need the kind of crazy talent you're accumulating to win the cup. If you can't assemble a proper defense or get a decent netminder, you'll keep wallowing with the rest of the flotsam.

Again, your lack of objectivity shows. You have to resort to this to deflect criticism away from your team's utter lack of success? You call Feaster names (I don't like him either, but that's besides the point) and are incredulous that he still has a job, yet can't comprehend that in his first year of being a GM he's managed to divest himself of a crapload of bad contracts, given the team a bit of wiggle room, addressed the issue of scouting, given young players a chance, hired a coach that may help improve the team's fortunes and stopped trading with Toronto. What has the Oilers' mis-manager done? Built a consistent loser after going to the cup finals, lost every draft lottery in recent memory; failed to build a solid defensive core, and managed to keep his job. Who is the buffoon here?

If you're going to write a blog, please try in the future to build credibility and respectability. Oilers' fans deserve better as do the rest of us.

- ElPhantasmo69


If you want to see Utter Lack of Success - see Calgary 2013-2024... We won all our cups without stellar defenses in the past... We can sign a UFA goalie for depth... much like kipper did for the flames from 2003-2010 and BOOM alot of the defensive lapses the oil have are covered up by the hot goalie much like the flamers....
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

May 31 @ 4:06 PM ET
Is Blain any good? I am not sure you do not sign a player because of a slighting of a comment that may or may not have been taken a tad out of context...
- saskoil21

Lead two different teams in points by a d-man. I think the problem is they signed just about everyone from 09, 8 guys from 2010, and will probably have 6 or so guys from last year signed. Then you want to be able to sign some pros for your AHL club, pros from Europe as prospects etc...

Made a choice I guess.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 4:08 PM ET
Wven Pittsburgh didn't need the kind of crazy talent you're accumulating to win the cup.
- ElPhantasmo69


Are you saying Hall, Eberle, Nuge and Yakupov are better than Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury? If so, thank you.


Again, your lack of objectivity shows. You have to resort to this to deflect criticism away from your team's utter lack of success? You call Feaster names (I don't like him either, but that's besides the point) and are incredulous that he still has a job, yet can't comprehend that in his first year of being a GM he's managed to divest himself of a crapload of bad contracts, given the team a bit of wiggle room, addressed the issue of scouting, given young players a chance, hired a coach that may help improve the team's fortunes and stopped trading with Toronto.
- ElPhantasmo69


Feaster is an idiot because the entire world can see this team doesn't stand a chance of going anywhere with their current roster. Instead of moving out the old war horses while they still have value, he instead pushes forth the agenda that with just a little tinkering, the Flames could win games. The only thing that kept Calgary from being a 30th place team in 2011/2012 was Miikka Kiprusoff, who was playing out of his mind. The core of the team is old, and their ability to compete is on the decrease. Instead of triggering a full rebuild, which is needed for the Flames to ever reach the playoffs again, Feaster continues to put bandaids on bullet wounds. The second Kipper falls apart due to age or overworking, this team will fall into the abyss for five to ten seasons.


What has the Oilers' mis-manager done?
- ElPhantasmo69


Nothing. Please see my 267 different blogs ripping him and suggesting he should be replaced by someone good.

If you're going to write a blog, please try in the future to build credibility and respectability. Oilers' fans deserve better as do the rest of us.
- ElPhantasmo69


I write my blogs and people can love them or hate them. I, personally, think I'm super fantastic awesome...so I'll make no efforts to change my style.
p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 31 @ 4:09 PM ET
Regardless who the Oilers bring in, they need someone who is going to identify/realize the future of the team is with Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, Gagner, Smid, Petry, Dubnyk and Nuge, and not with Belanger, Horcoff, Hemsky, and Smyth.
- Maxbone


My pick would be Crawford or Sutter.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 4:09 PM ET
I just think he's behind a bunch of guys, he'd be my sixth or seventh choice as of right now
- Oil_Addict


I think the Oilers lack of action on the subject clearly indicates that they aren't sold on Sutter, and are looking more in the Eakins or Cooper direction.
Oil_Addict
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.18.2008

May 31 @ 4:12 PM ET
I think the Oilers lack of action on the subject clearly indicates that they aren't sold on Sutter, and are looking more in the Eakins or Cooper direction.
- Maxbone


I'm all for Cooper, though he does have a lack of experience. Theres no homeruns so whoever they hire i'm sure there will be some question marks
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 31 @ 4:15 PM ET
Of which team in Sweden? I don't think he's staying in North America.
- Maxbone


....why? He's been here for two decades. His kids are in school and what not.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 4:15 PM ET
I'm all for Cooper, though he does have a lack of experience. Theres no homeruns so whoever they hire i'm sure there will be some question marks
- Oil_Addict


If the stories are true this afternoon that Crawford could be the guy in Montreal, the list will get that much shorter.

Perhaps could this be intentional? If Sutter is the only veteran coach left after everyone hires, the Oilers are sorta forced to hire him. I think Lowe would have hired Sutter already, but the majority of the fan base hates the idea and the team doesn't need yet another PR black eye.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

May 31 @ 4:16 PM ET
It won't do any good since the Oilers fail to attract any depth talent to help the team win. even Pittsburgh didn't need the kind of crazy talent you're accumulating to win the cup. If you can't assemble a proper defense or get a decent netminder, you'll keep wallowing with the rest of the flotsam.

Again, your lack of objectivity shows. You have to resort to this to deflect criticism away from your team's utter lack of success? You call Feaster names (I don't like him either, but that's besides the point) and are incredulous that he still has a job, yet can't comprehend that in his first year of being a GM he's managed to divest himself of a crapload of bad contracts, given the team a bit of wiggle room, addressed the issue of scouting, given young players a chance, hired a coach that may help improve the team's fortunes and stopped trading with Toronto. What has the Oilers' mis-manager done? Built a consistent loser after going to the cup finals, lost every draft lottery in recent memory; failed to build a solid defensive core, and managed to keep his job. Who is the buffoon here?

If you're going to write a blog, please try in the future to build credibility and respectability. Oilers' fans deserve better as do the rest of us.

- ElPhantasmo69


There's so many things wrong within this post I hardly even know where to begin. Would you like it in point form or just paraphrased?
RichardPeterNuss
Detroit Red Wings
Location: bragging about leaf cups is mo, BC
Joined: 07.08.2006

May 31 @ 4:19 PM ET
Robinson, IMO, ranks higher than Lidstrom in the top D ever.
- QuebecPride

Lidstrom IS thee greatest dman to have ever lived. WHY??? Same reason as Crosby's much MUCH better then Gretzky EVER was. He's the best in THIS era. Orr like Gretzky was so far ahead of his time it was ridiculous. BUT in this day and age, with the players built like tanks, and your AVERAGE Dman being Robinson's size now when Robinson back in his day being a tank of a man, the players now are a bazillion times more athletic, talented, FAST and HUGE. Gretzky while no doubt he woulda been skiled had he played today would've also been murdered inside a week the way he used to go into zones you simply acnnot gointo today especially with your head down. Yesterday's players were what they were, the best in their TIME but todays players are BEST PERIOD cause the game has evolved to a science. Anyone too stupid to that fact need only look at the goalies back then and how not ONE really had a clue, nor any technique whatsoever other then guessing and dumbassed luck. You put Ovechkin back into the old NHL and he'd be one of the biggest physically, THEE most ridiculously skilled and he'd have run roughshod over Mario's days........Excitement Orr was it, but Orr couldn't hold Lidstrom's jock in TODAYS game he was too little, average in skating now, and way waaayyy to frail to lay in todays game...(hell Lidtrom woulda been a big BIG boy back then....)
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 31 @ 4:21 PM ET
Lidstrom IS thee greatest dman to have ever lived. WHY??? Same reason as Crosby's much MUCH better then Gretzky EVER was. He's the best in THIS era. Orr like Gretzky was so far ahead of his time it was ridiculous. BUT in this day and age, with the players built like tanks, and your AVERAGE Dman being Robinson's size now when Robinson back in his day being a tank of a man, the players now are a bazillion times more athletic, talented, FAST and HUGE. Gretzky while no doubt he woulda been skiled had he played today would've also been murdered inside a week the way he used to go into zones you simply acnnot gointo today especially with your head down. Yesterday's players were what they were, the best in their TIME but todays players are BEST PERIOD cause the game has evolved to a science. Anyone too stupid to that fact need only look at the goalies back then and how not ONE really had a clue, nor any technique whatsoever other then guessing and dumbassed luck. You put Ovechkin back into the old NHL and he'd be one of the biggest physically, THEE most ridiculously skilled and he'd have run roughshod over Mario's days........Excitement Orr was it, but Orr couldn't hold Lidstrom's jock in TODAYS game he was too little, average in skating now, and way waaayyy to frail to lay in todays game...(hell Lidtrom woulda been a big BIG boy back then....)
- RichardPeterNuss


You lost me at Crosby is better than Gretzky.
RichardPeterNuss
Detroit Red Wings
Location: bragging about leaf cups is mo, BC
Joined: 07.08.2006

May 31 @ 4:22 PM ET
and yes I've seen Clarke, Parent, Orr, Esposito, Lindros, Gretzky, Lemiuex, Crosby, Ovechkin, and Lidstrom all play LIVE in their primes.....(damn I'm old )
andymaury
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.08.2010

May 31 @ 4:23 PM ET
Gregor claims that Blain is often referred to as soft, and Czerwonka is not good enough as a skater
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