Faith in the fact there are some good things about this team and that your opinion is just that...opinion. Just like anyone else's.

No, but who's to say they couldn't. They made it that far, why not further? Only one team can win.

And no, our core group is not better than that of those teams. That's not my argument. My argument is that that is not the be all end all to win a championship. The supporting cast and goaltending has as much to do, if not more, as them to win a Cup. It's unlikely, but not impossible.....and the FACT that we were in a playoff position in February tells me there's no reason to believe that with a few solid pieces and good goaltending, we couldn't reach that level. That's my opinion. Disagree with it if you want, but you can't tell me I'm wrong because it's MY OPINION.
- Phenom

You are correct. UG should become a habs fan with his constant ripping of the Leafs. You don't have to be biased, but you don't have to hate 24/7 on everything Burke does either.

There was never a doubt TB was out of that race. They can't move Vinny's deal, don't want to move Malone(Don't ask why) and as far as I'm concerned, if Vokoun was willing to go to WSH for 1.5 then surely he'd go back to florida for the same chance to win at a reasonable price.

3 yr, 11m

either way I have both Vokoun to TB and Lu to TOR at 80%. I just can't imagine scenarios where either two end up anywhere else
- AngryWhiteMale

I wouldn't mind Vokoun signing here for a year or two to give Reims some support while he (hopefully) regains the form he had before he got hurt.

where still talking about the (frank)ing kessel deal.... imagine if we got lou for 10 year's the female doging would never end

You are correct. UG should become a habs fan with his constant ripping of the Leafs. You don't have to be biased, but you don't have to hate 24/7 on everything Burke does either.
- Allstarzz

he's after his job

Faith in the fact there are some good things about this team and that your opinion is just that...opinion. Just like anyone else's.
- Phenom

There's nothing special about this team especially compared to contenders. Considering you have to beat the other teams to win, it's important that faith be based on fact, not blind hope. Fact is, the Leafs core are nowhere near the contenders in this league.

No, but who's to say they couldn't. They made it that far, why not further? Only one team can win.

That's right. Only one team wins. All the more proof for my side of the argument which is this team has an inadequate core of players to compete. The more you compare them to other teams the more you realize how far behind they really are. And don't try the "they're almost a playoff team" argument. It doesn't work. Making the playoffs and being a contender are two different things.

And no, our core group is not better than that of those teams. That's not my argument. My argument is that that is not the be all end all to win a championship.

Is that right? How many Cup winners you see with a weak core?

The supporting cast and goaltending has as much to do, if not more, as them to win a Cup. It's unlikely, but not impossible.....and the FACT that we were in a playoff position in February tells me there's no reason to believe that with a few solid pieces and good goaltending, we couldn't reach that level. That's my opinion. Disagree with it if you want, but you can't tell me I'm wrong because it's MY OPINION.

Being in the playoffs in February is irrelevant. Minnesota was in 1st place at one point. The season is 82 games long. Not 20 games or 41 games or 81 games.

Reaching "that level" is unattainable without a solid core of players which the Leafs do not have. Hence the need to rebuild and not scratch and claw for 8th place.

where still talking about the (frank)ing kessel deal.... imagine if we got lou for 10 year's the female doging would never end
- The_Vark

OMG, that 75% of my hope that it doesn't happen.

where still talking about the (frank)ing kessel deal.... imagine if we got lou for 10 year's the female doging would never end
- The_Vark

It would be absolutely horrible. Words can't even begin to describe.

There's nothing special about this team especially compared to other teams. Considering you have to beat the other teams to win, it's important that faith be based on fact, not blind hope. Fact is, the Leafs core are nowhere near the contenders in this league.
- Unholy_Goalie

And this is why you will NEVER be satisfied with anything this team does short of winning 5 Cups in a row. Gardiner is nothing special, Kessel is nothing special, etc......

OMG.... Leave it to you to tell me to base my faith on facts and not hope. FAITH IS HOPE!!!!

My point is this, in a nutshell: We are not in the same class as those upper echelon teams at this point, BUT, I FEEL (opinion alert) they are not as far away as you think they are. I don't believe a total rebuild is necessary at this point.

I wouldn't mind Vokoun signing here for a year or two to give Reims some support while he (hopefully) regains the form he had before he got hurt.
- Phenom

why everyone wanna sign a vet? (frank) em stay the course and actually DEVELOP the young players.

not saying they should trade any and all vets i.e kessel lupol and Phanuef...though not big on dion.

nothing wrong with a veteran presence in Liles. at the time they had no PMD.

But burke in charge and doesnt wanna lose a job so chances are slim they play the kids

If I see the word core one more time I'm going gay.

It would be absolutely horrible. Words can't even begin to describe.
- Unholy_Goalie

If we get Luongo, I will never come back on HBuzz. The circular arguments will hit a new height and the trolling will begin in epic proportions from all fanbases, including the Leafs.

It would be absolutely horrible. Words can't even begin to describe.
- Unholy_Goalie

Especially compared to any hypothetical alternatives

It would be absolutely horrible. Words can't even begin to describe.
- Unholy_Goalie

i know

If I see the word core one more time I'm going gay.
- Leafland

I think the real question is, would that impact how much action you get?

If I see the word core one more time I'm going gay.
- Leafland

CORE

If I see the word core one more time I'm going gay.
- Leafland

It would be absolutely horrible. Words can't even begin to describe.
- Unholy_Goalie

does he have a NMC or just a NTC? cuz if its the former i agree, if its the latter then just bury his ass after a few seasons.

- The_Vark

I guess that pic's a good description of the men he's now suddenly in the market for

why everyone wanna sign a vet? (frank) em stay the course and actually DEVELOP the young players.

not saying they should trade any and all vets i.e kessel lupol and Phanuef...though not big on dion.

nothing wrong with a veteran presence in Liles. at the time they had no PMD.

But burke in charge and doesnt wanna lose a job so chances are slim they play the kids
- Blindfatkid

I thought I just explained why. Burke and Nonis have already said they're going to look for help in that area. Vokoun would be a good, cheap short-term solution....if Burke still feels Reimer will be the number one he was projected to be before his injury last season. And if the alternative is Luongo, I'll take Vokoun in a heartbeat.

I think the real question is, would that impact how much action you get?
- AngryWhiteMale

That action would be hardCORE.

Look at all you gays wanting me to go gay. You wish.

Look at all you gays wanting me to go gay. You wish.
- Leafland

I;ve seen better....in the mirror!

Look at all you gays wanting me to go gay. You wish.
- Leafland

Just to give UG and reim some variety......cuz we care like that.

It would be absolutely horrible. Words can't even begin to describe.
- Unholy_Goalie

it would still be an upgrade on having to deal with you on an otherwise pleasant discussion board.

I thought I just explained why. Burke and Nonis have already said they're going to look for help in that area. Vokoun would be a good, cheap short-term solution....if Burke still feels Reimer will be the number one he was projected to be before his injury last season. And if the alternative is Luongo, I'll take Vokoun in a heartbeat.
- Phenom

i just jump in conversation.

Vokoun wants to win if he comes here he overpayed like many a ufa in TO before him and he has groin issues sure he had surgey but still a big ?

(frank) loungo

(frank) trading for another teams back up