I'd like the Leafs to sign Clayton Stoner (UFA Dman on Minnesota).

his jersey sales would go through the roof.
- cracka

Jersey sales would be 10x higher (no pun intended) in BC. Just the facts.

Why take him at 5th if you can get him at 7th and get a 2nd and a 3rd while doing it?
- Unholy_Goalie

because nobody is giving away picks.
cliff fletcher is not a gm any longer and nobody is giving up picks so they can draft schenn over myers.

So, UG is upset because we traded a 2nd rounder for a pretty good offensive Dman.

And was upset that we didnt trade a 2nd/3rd rounder for a guy who is now in Russia?

so you beg toronto to do a proper rebuild...correct? and female dog about the kessel deal because we wasted a top-5 pick.... correct? Now when we HAVE a top-5 pick, you want them to TRADE DOWN to get a potential second liner? when every other (frank)ing day you female dog about not having elite talent? give me a break, your a (frank)ing joke
- Phil_kessel81

Ask Grigorenko. Oh wait, he would never ever ever ever ever go to Russia. He would stay with the Leafs forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
- Unholy_Goalie

Or we could ask you. Big on the Filatov move, thought the leafs were stupid for not taking the chance on Zherdev... You seem to be just the person to ask about Grigorenko. Wait, your stance is now that all Russians are a risk? Wierd.

Or we could just keep playing this you ignore all the points and just pick out the irrelevant things to throw back in people's faces in epic kindergarten fashion fail game. It's fun.

But they're still worse odds at becoming what we need, versus drafting the best player available, who by the way, has been labelled the way he was without any first-hand experience. Many scouts have admitted to not having watched him play. Why aren't they saying the same things about Yakupov?

Where do you expect the Leafs to get their first line players, if they don't draft the players most likely to be one? Drafting potential second liners doesn't bring us any closer to being competitive, it just gives us another year of having to listen to you female dog here.
- p_zub

Uh wrong again.

You dodged the question.

What would you rather have, a lazy 2nd liner or a hard working 2nd liner. If you want to say that Faksa can't be a 1st liner because scouts say he doesn't have enough talent then neither can Grigorenko because there are questions about his game to game compete level. So which is it? Hard working 2nd liner with two more draft picks or lazy 2nd liner.

The bottom line here is that in some drafts, you can get Brayden Schenn at 5th and be in a good position because that's how deep the draft is. This draft isn't like that. The top 3 are strong and after that the question marks start popping up. The Leafs can't take a risk on Grigorenko and should play it safer by adding more picks and taking Faksa.

So, UG is upset because we traded a 2nd rounder for a pretty good offensive Dman.

And was upset that was didnt trade a 2nd/3rd rounder for a guy who is now in Russia?


- jbold

............Slow clap initiated.......

So, UG is upset because we traded a 2nd rounder for a pretty good offensive Dman.

And was upset that was didnt trade a 2nd/3rd rounder for a guy who is now in Russia?


- jbold

And he wants us to trade a 5th overall pick, and acquire more 2nd/3rd liners which, apparently, is better than having a potential 1st liner.

And he wants us to trade a 5th overall pick, and acquire more 2nd/3rd liners which, apparently, is better than having a potential 1st liner.
- p_zub

Wow, talk about contradicting himself just to argue, eh?

because nobody is giving away picks.
cliff fletcher is not a gm any longer and nobody is giving up picks so they can draft schenn over myers.
- Barx

That's not true. Teams move up and down the draft every year.

So, UG is upset because we traded a 2nd rounder for a pretty good offensive Dman.

And was upset that was didnt trade a 2nd/3rd rounder for a guy who is now in Russia?


- jbold

You're missing the point friend.

Age, and who drafted them, are more significant factors than what continent they play in, when determining if gambled draft picks were wasted.

And he wants us to trade a 5th overall pick, and acquire more 2nd/3rd liners which, apparently, is better than having a potential 1st liner.
- p_zub

So Faksa can't be a 1st liner? Why not?

If you want to say he doesn't have enough talent to be a 1st liner, then Grigorenko doesn't have enough determination to be a 1st liner. So they both end up 2nd liners but Faksa actually works hard.

You're missing the point friend.

Age, and who drafted them, are more significant factors than what content they play in, when determining if gambled draft picks were wasted.
- joel878

This is funny.

That's not true. Teams move up and down the draft every year.
- Unholy_Goalie

which team gave up their 2nd and 3rd rounder to move up two spots in the draft?
I don't feel like searching......

So Faksa can't be a 1st liner? Why not?

If you want to say he doesn't have enough talent to be a 1st liner, then Grigorenko doesn't have enough determination to be a 1st liner. So they both end up 2nd liners but Faksa actually works hard.
- Unholy_Goalie

somebody has read one too many craig button articles.....

so you beg toronto to do a proper rebuild...correct? and female dog about the kessel deal because we wasted a top-5 pick.... correct? Now when we HAVE a top-5 pick, you want them to TRADE DOWN to get a potential second liner? when every other (frank)ing day you female dog about not having elite talent? give me a break, your a (frank)ing joke
- Phil_kessel81

You should take some time to better understand the situation. The Leafs had a lottery pick and didn't win the lottery. Now they sit at 5th. Unfortunately, this draft isn't as deep as previous drafts where you could get a guy like Brayden Schenn at 5th. This draft is shallower and the top 3 is where the strength is. After that, the question marks pop up on certain players like Grigorenko. The Leafs would be better served trading down, picking a safer player, like Faksa, and getting more draft picks while doing it.

which team gave up their 2nd and 3rd rounder to move up two spots in the draft?
I don't feel like searching......
- Barx

The Leafs. 7th to 5th. Cost them a 2nd and a 3rd rounder.

Somebody else suggested trading 5th for 6th and the rights to Schultz. Also a pretty good idea.

So, UG is upset because we traded a 2nd rounder for a pretty good offensive Dman.

And was upset that we didnt trade a 2nd/3rd rounder for a guy who is now in Russia?


- jbold

Its mind Bottling


Its ok to hate on the leafs for dumb moves... trying to praise the sens for one move that didnt work, and condemn the leafs for one that was actually decent ..

Uh wrong again.

You dodged the question.

What would you rather have, a lazy 2nd liner or a hard working 2nd liner. If you want to say that Faksa can't be a 1st liner because scouts say he doesn't have enough talent then neither can Grigorenko because there are questions about his game to game compete level. So which is it? Hard working 2nd liner with two more draft picks or lazy 2nd liner.

The bottom line here is that in some drafts, you can get Brayden Schenn at 5th and be in a good position because that's how deep the draft is. This draft isn't like that. The top 3 are strong and after that the question marks start popping up. The Leafs can't take a risk on Grigorenko and should play it safer by adding more picks and taking Faksa.
- Unholy_Goalie

You missed the part where I said the questions regarding his game have turned out to be largely unfounded. He had injuries through the WJHC, and was suffering from Mono during the QMJHL playoffs. If he was Canadian, he would be labelled a warrior who is focused on his team first. But, because he's not, it's a convenient excuse to label him a lazy Russian.

The Leafs. 7th to 5th. Cost them a 2nd and a 3rd rounder.

Somebody else suggested trading 5th for 6th and the rights to Schultz. Also a pretty good idea.
- Unholy_Goalie

exactly what I said....only a senile old dolt like cliff fletcher would make a move like that.

What's going on in here.. too much crap is being passed around.. who's responsible for this..

You missed the part where I said the questions regarding his game have turned out to be largely unfounded. He had injuries through the WJHC, and was suffering from Mono during the QMJHL playoffs.
- p_zub

There were questions about his game to game compete level far before he had mono. Obviously he's going to say all the right things at the draft combine. It's all very well scripted because it's one giant, public job interview.

If he was Canadian, he would be labelled a warrior who is focused on his team first. But, because he's not, it's a convenient excuse to label him a lazy Russian.

Must explain why Angelo Esposito fell as hard as he did for being a talented QMJHL player without the heart. Because he was a Canadian.

You should take some time to better understand the situation. The Leafs had a lottery pick and didn't win the lottery. Now they sit at 5th. Unfortunately, this draft isn't as deep as previous drafts where you could get a guy like Brayden Schenn at 5th. This draft is shallower and the top 3 is where the strength is. After that, the question marks pop up on certain players like Grigorenko. The Leafs would be better served trading down, picking a safer player, like Faksa, and getting more draft picks while doing it.
- Unholy_Goalie

again, you assert faksa is a 'safer pick' but have absolutely no reason why....other than he isn't russian.
you also believe teams are eager to move up a couple spots and give away top picks while doing it...again, a ridiculous assumption.
you take the best player-period.
if the leafs believe it's faksa-great...if they thinks it's grigorenko-great.
but as usual, you are arguing for sport without a real point.

What's going on in here.. too much crap is being passed around.. who's responsible for this..
- TML4Life85

Brian Burke.

What's going on in here.. too much crap is being passed around.. who's responsible for this..
- TML4Life85

ISn't it awesome?!