Name how many years you've drafted for an nhl team?
- IRON.MAIDEN

So you can't name the last Russian Burke drafted in the top 5? Didn't think so.

UG knew grabovski was a big deal when he was swimming around in his pappy's nutsac.
- joel878

UG and Grabocovski are twins?

I would say a line with Grabo Galchenyuk and Kulemin would be a good one... Not overly physical but a great 2 way line with talent and they all speak russian... Then maybe the top line would be Kessel Lupul with Kadri?? I wouldnt mind that if Carlyle could get em playing 2 way hockey... I just like Kadri a lot so i dont wanna see him any where but the top six on the leafs next year... I think hes got a ton of heart and talent and grit that we should not deal him, the kids got character and when hes got his swagger and grit game going hes very hard to stop.

If the Leafs could get Grigorenko for a 3rd round pick, they should do it. But with 5th overall, they can't take the risk of getting a player who plays when he wants to and who has the option to take off to the KHL whenever he wants.
- Unholy_Goalie

But then you'll be here, again, complaining how there's no prospects with elite-potential in our cupboard. With a 5th overall pick, we have to aim higher than a hard worker who will in all likelihood max out as a second liner. We already have a few of those.

That's where this whole GM communication scratch each other's back respect thing amongst each other comes in....your theory only works if Anaheim and Carolina etc don't want Faska....I could see a deal with Anaheim like Shultz's rights and 6th for Leaf's 5th....meanwhile Leafs wanted Faska all along if Gally and Greg were gone, and Anaheim wanted Forsberg...both teams get what they wanted, and Burke does Anaheim a perceived favour on the Shultz thing...
- JIMI-JAMES

That would work nicely. Good idea.

Quit the Strawman arguments and you might stand a chance.



The Senators took a gamble on a highly talented, 22 year old player with a 3rd round pick. The Leafs wasted a 2nd round pick on a 30 year old who got replaced by Gardiner. See the difference yet? I doubt it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Sens took a "chance" (got nothing for the trouble)
Leafs "wasted" (got an Dman)

Thats Gold! ..

I see the difference....

So you can't name the last Russian Burke drafted in the top 5? Didn't think so.
- Unholy_Goalie

I fail to see your point.

Just like I fail to see your point about an 8th seed can't win a cup.

Once again, I say this..

Please find something nice to wear, for when I take you out on our dinner date, and make you eat crow.

So you can't name the last Russian Burke drafted in the top 5? Didn't think so.
- Unholy_Goalie

how many top 5 picks has the guy drafted total?

2 were sedin twins, which was legendary, any other dumb comments you can private message me, im sure you will be on the next 18 hours straight since you have nothing better to do.

enjoy. as i will the ban, you (frank)ing waste of bandwidth.

But then you'll be here, again, complaining how there's no prospects with elite-potential in our cupboard. With a 5th overall pick, we have to aim higher than a hard worker who will in all likelihood max out as a second liner. We already have a few of those.
- p_zub

What if they draft a lazy player who ends up being a 2nd liner because he doesn't try hard every game?

Then what would you rather have? The lazy bastard 2nd liner or the hard working 2nd liner plus two more prospects?

So you can't name the last Russian Burke drafted in the top 5? Didn't think so.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hey UG.

I was wondering if you could tell me who on the current Leafs roster can play Nashville, NJ, or Pheonix hockey?

Thanks. - Pen15

Sens took a "chance" (got nothing for the trouble)
Leafs "wasted" (got an Dman)

Thats Gold! ..

I see the difference....
- senstroll

Actually they still own his rights and loaned him to the KHL instead of having him play in the AHL. So they haven't "got nothing" for the trouble yet.

As for Liles, it was a waste. He's 31, got replaced by Gardiner and now he has a long term contract with a NTC. Better off with that 2nd round pick considering they're suppose to be REBUILDING.

What if they draft a lazy player who ends up being a 2nd liner because he doesn't try hard every game?

Then what you rather have? The lazy bastard 2nd liner or the hard working 2nd liner plus two more prospects?


- Unholy_Goalie

You mean the 2nd/3rd rounders we expect to get for dropping down? Shall we go over the odds of them rounding out into anything significant?

If the Leafs could get Grigorenko for a 3rd round pick, they should do it. But with 5th overall, they can't take the risk of getting a player who plays when he wants to and who has the option to take off to the KHL whenever he wants.
- Unholy_Goalie

But that's all validated if it's a 3rd round pick they're wasting, nothing higher? I'm just wondering where the boundaries are.

Allright, just to summarize. Leafs dumb for trading 2nd rounder for liles, but Ottawa smart for trading 3rd rounder for Filatov, and leafs dumb for missing out. Meanwhile, Grigorenko a huge risk, because he's from Russia, and leads would be dumb to waste the draft pick. I get all that?

Wow.. Just, wow. Brand new levels of hypocrisy. I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't in love with how all over the place you are, but more so, how you're still tryin to bail yourself out.

That's... Wow.

You mean the 2nd/3rd rounders we expect to get for dropping down? Shall we go over the odds of them rounding out into anything significant?
- p_zub

Whatever the odds are, it's better than zero which is what they would be if they didn't get two extra picks.

But then you'll be here, again, complaining how there's no prospects with elite-potential in our cupboard. With a 5th overall pick, we have to aim higher than a hard worker who will in all likelihood max out as a second liner. We already have a few of those.
- p_zub

In the midst of the liles, Filatov, Grigorenko debacle.. There's this little gem about UG's lottery pick or bust theory he's slowly waffled away from lately.

I've seen less impressive eclipses.

What if they draft a lazy player who ends up being a 2nd liner because he doesn't try hard every game?

Then what would you rather have? The lazy bastard 2nd liner or the hard working 2nd liner plus two more prospects?


- Unholy_Goalie

Or, would you rather have the guy in Russia? He's 23...

Whatever the odds are, it's better than zero which is what they would be if they didn't get two extra picks.
- Unholy_Goalie

But they're still worse odds at becoming what we need, versus drafting the best player available, who by the way, has been labelled the way he was without any first-hand experience. Many scouts have admitted to not having watched him play. Why aren't they saying the same things about Yakupov?

Where do you expect the Leafs to get their first line players, if they don't draft the players most likely to be one? Drafting potential second liners doesn't bring us any closer to being competitive, it just gives us another year of having to listen to you female dog here.

It's an awesome day on HB when UG gets destroyed in arguments.

Which is pretty much everyday.

Actually they still own his rights and loaned him to the KHL instead of having him play in the AHL. So they haven't "got nothing" for the trouble yet.

As for Liles, it was a waste. He's 31, got replaced by Gardiner and now he has a long term contract with a NTC. Better off with that 2nd round pick considering they're suppose to be REBUILDING.
- Unholy_Goalie

I know how you see everything...

The Sens took a good gamble...didnt pay off, but still good

The Leafs wasted a pick...they got a decent scoring Dman (concussion you can not predict)...

Gardiner has nothing to do with it, he happened to play well, Good for Burke,
acquired another NHL ready dman ... It was not a guarantee Gardiner would be any good, in fact most didnt think he was going to be any good. But now since its a year later.. Boom!!! we have hindsight to show the way to the leafs follies

Good Job UG

Or, would you rather have the guy in Russia? He's 23...
- joel878

Ask Grigorenko. Oh wait, he would never ever ever ever ever go to Russia. He would stay with the Leafs forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

In the midst of the liles, Filatov, Grigorenko debacle.. There's this little gem about UG's lottery pick or bust theory he's slowly waffled away from lately.

I've seen less impressive eclipses.
- joel878

This is true.

I know how you see everything...

The Sens took a good gamble...didnt pay off, but still good

The Leafs wasted a pick...they got a decent scoring Dman (concussion you can not predict)...
- senstroll

Senators gambled a 3rd rounder for a 22 year old with talent. The Leafs gambled a 2nd rounder for a 30 year old who got signed to a contract while he had a concussion. Plus the NTC.

The whole point of rebuilding is to gather young assets, not to trade them away or to stock up on 30 year old players and sign them long term right after they have a concussion.

Ask Grigorenko. Oh wait, he would never ever ever ever ever go to Russia. He would stay with the Leafs forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
- Unholy_Goalie

He said he left for Canada with his mother, against his father's wishes, to play in North America. Why did he even bother when he could have everything he could ever want in Russia? What in his comments, or past history suggests he's more likely to go back to Russia versus Yakupov, Malkin, Ovechkin, etc. Oh right, the opinion of scouts who admittedly knew nothing about him.

Actually they still own his rights and loaned him to the KHL instead of having him play in the AHL. So they haven't "got nothing" for the trouble yet.

As for Liles, it was a waste. He's 31, got replaced by Gardiner and now he has a long term contract with a NTC. Better off with that 2nd round pick considering they're suppose to be REBUILDING.
- Unholy_Goalie

Gardiner was a rookie and most likely will regress in his sophmore season, Liles is still in his prime, puts up decent offensive numbers and is a better defenceman than Gardiner at this point in their careers.

Last time i checked there is room for more than 1 puck moving defencemen with Powerplay skills on a team.

The fact that he took less money to resign shows his character and commitment to this team.
Liles is a very useful player and is in no way a problem.........

Ask Grigorenko. Oh wait, he would never ever ever ever ever go to Russia. He would stay with the Leafs forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
- Unholy_Goalie

so you beg toronto to do a proper rebuild...correct? and female dog about the kessel deal because we wasted a top-5 pick.... correct? Now when we HAVE a top-5 pick, you want them to TRADE DOWN to get a potential second liner? when every other (frank)ing day you female dog about not having elite talent? give me a break, your a (frank)ing joke