I won't argue this UG.

I was there. And you left the room as soon as people starting razzing you about the thought. When you came back in, you ignored every question regarding that comment.

I've said my peace. There is a lot to be said about someone who stands by what he says.
- IRON.MAIDEN

Here's a famous UG quote from a couple of years ago.

"Also, I think if Cammalleri is on the block, I wouldnt mind giving Poni for him, so long as we get Dustin Brown too.

Raycroft, Antropov, Poni for Cammalleri and Brown?"

I actually really like what I've read about the Reilly kid.
- The Law

What'd you read about him?

Here's a famous UG quote from a couple of years ago.

"Also, I think if Cammalleri is on the block, I wouldnt mind giving Poni for him, so long as we get Dustin Brown too.

Raycroft, Antropov, Poni for Cammalleri and Brown?"


- jbold

classic.

That makes sense, because from a Leafs perspective I would not do it.

You could see the Habs doing it though. They are weak on D and maybe they would hope Komisarek could line up with Markov and the 2 return to form?
- GoneFullRetard

Yeah. THe Habs would get a slightly worse contract, but Komisarek is a better #5-6 dman than Kaberle

For those wondering. The Luongo to Leafs Done Deal began on Twitter from @SamJam99 who blogs on NHLBeat.blogspot.com

It has seemed to be picked up by a number of other sites. Apparently the guy called the Canucks Kassian-Hodgson deal about 30 minutes before any network picked it up. Not sure how people judge the reliability factor but ya.
- HABSCAPS9

They're pretty much the only team left that hasn't publicly ruled out any interest. Even as other media have said, it's not that Toronto has no interest, they just don't want to pay anything substantive. Either it will be a trade of bad contracts, or some combination of B and C prospects. If Luongo was 26 or 27, that would be a whole different scenario, but he's 33, and I don't care if he gives us 4 good years. Unless we're expected to play for a Stanley Cup within those 4 years, his value will be next to nothing and it will be a complete waste of assets.

Huge difference between drafting Filatov and trading a 3rd rounder for him.

Huge difference.


- Unholy_Goalie

Come on, even you're smarter than that.

Don't yap about trading a 2nd rounder for liles, and then defend your statements about the sens giving up a 3rd for Filatov, and the stupid leafs missing that boat.

Liles wears a leaf uni. Filatovs in Russia.

Who gives a poop who was drafted where.

Thats exactly the position they ARE in....they need to go for the pick with the absolute highest ceiling and hope it pans out.
- Barx

No they aren't. The Oilers can take a risk because they have Hopkins, Eberle and Hall to fall back on. If the Oilers screw up, they will still be fine.

The Leafs have Kadri and Colborne to fall back on.

Huge difference.

The Leafs need to play it safe until they tank it again next year. Then after that draft, then, maybe, they can start rolling the dice.

Words spoken by draft eligible players are going to be carefully scripted, especially guys that have question marks surrounding them. It's one giant, public job interview. Absolutely nothing they say will indicate whether or not the KHL is an option to them or not.

But we both know, there is going to be a KHL team that drafts him. And if things go poorly (as they usually do in Toronto) there is going to be a voice in his ear and an offer on the table. Actually, I'm pretty sure CSKA Moskva already drafted him last year.

It's a risk. You can try to rationalize it as a minimal risk but it's a risk nonetheless. Right now, the Leafs need some locks, some surefire players and Grigorenko, as you said yourself, could ruin a scout's career. I wish we were in a position where we could take the risk but we're not.
- Unholy_Goalie

Everything is a risk you're right and the KHL is always a looming aspect, it is much more a fabrication in the end (Lol Kovalchuck getting a 120 6 year deal from the KHL per TSN) and such. The thing with their draft though is that they pick everybody. It's a useless draft since the MHL team owns their rights anyways so if he plays his days as a 13 year old in Moskva's system he goes to their MHL team, then he is eligible no matter what to be promoted to the KHL squad. John Tavares was drafted in the KHL.

Come on, even you're smarter than that.

Don't yap about trading a 2nd rounder for liles, and then defend your statements about the sens giving up a 3rd for Filatov, and the stupid leafs missing that boat.

Liles wears a leaf uni. Filatovs in Russia.

Who gives a poop who was drafted where.
- joel878

Liles is 30. Filatov is 22.

Remember that rebuilding thing?

wtf, lol
- LeafMan

I've seen it!

Come on, even you're smarter than that.

Don't yap about trading a 2nd rounder for liles, and then defend your statements about the sens giving up a 3rd for Filatov, and the stupid leafs missing that boat.

Liles wears a leaf uni. Filatovs in Russia.

Who gives a poop who was drafted where.
- joel878

Words spoken by draft eligible players are going to be carefully scripted, especially guys that have question marks surrounding them. It's one giant, public job interview. Absolutely nothing they say will indicate whether or not the KHL is an option to them or not.

But we both know, there is going to be a KHL team that drafts him. And if things go poorly (as they usually do in Toronto) there is going to be a voice in his ear and an offer on the table. Actually, I'm pretty sure CSKA Moskva already drafted him last year.

It's a risk. You can try to rationalize it as a minimal risk but it's a risk nonetheless. Right now, the Leafs need some locks, some surefire players and Grigorenko, as you said yourself, could ruin a scout's career. I wish we were in a position where we could take the risk but we're not.
- Unholy_Goalie

You take the BEST player available at your spot......as you know U_G the Leafs are garbage and need to fill 15 different holes..........Being Russian, or a Jamaican, doesnt matter.

There are no gaurantees with anyone that you draft.....

You take the BEST player available at your spot......as you know U_G the Leafs are garbage and need to fill 15 different holes..........Being Russian, or a Jamaican, doesnt matter.

There are no gaurantees with anyone that you draft.....
- billyberg10

this.

Everything is a risk you're right and the KHL is always a looming aspect, it is much more a fabrication in the end (Lol Kovalchuck getting a 120 6 year deal from the KHL per TSN) and such. The thing with their draft though is that they pick everybody. It's a useless draft since the MHL team owns their rights anyways so if he plays his days as a 13 year old in Moskva's system he goes to their MHL team, then he is eligible no matter what to be promoted to the KHL squad. John Tavares was drafted in the KHL.
- AdamFrench

But if things go poorly for Tavares in Long Island, either he deals with it or he gets moved for something. If things go poorly for Grigorenko, like they did with Filatov or Zherdev or Radulov, he could be gone.

If this guy was a sure thing, like Ovechkin or Malkin was, not just the hype comparisons they use to build interest in the draft, then it would be a different story. But with question marks and the "Russian factor", the Leafs just can't take that risk. And on top of it all, I doubt Burke would do it being the way he is.

bwhahahaha this is pretty funny.

lou i hope your on suicide watch for tonight! LOLOLOLOL

No they aren't. The Oilers can take a risk because they have Hopkins, Eberle and Hall to fall back on. If the Oilers screw up, they will still be fine.

The Leafs have Kadri and Colborne to fall back on.

Huge difference.

The Leafs need to play it safe until they tank it again next year. Then after that draft, then, maybe, they can start rolling the dice.
- Unholy_Goalie

What makes Faksa safer than Grigorenko?

You take the BEST player available at your spot......as you know U_G the Leafs are garbage and need to fill 15 different holes..........Being Russian, or a Jamaican, doesnt matter.

There are no gaurantees with anyone that you draft.....
- billyberg10

Or you trade down, draft Faksa and get two more draft picks.

Liles is 30. Filatov is 22.

Remember that rebuilding thing?


- Unholy_Goalie

Quit dancing, it doesn't change a thing.

You can defend it all day, Filatovs in Russia, and liles is here. With all you're whining about draft picks wasted, you can't bash the leafs move, and bash the leads for missing out on ottawas move. It's what one would call hypocritical. Not that there's a chance of that happening with you.

You're epic. I love it when you make an ass out of yourself. Makes everyone else's day easier.

3 picks first round?

thats pretty pro

What makes Faksa safer than Grigorenko?
- Barx

Fewer question marks about his game plus the threat of running off to the KHL (or the Czech league, which is where he's from) is non-existent. Plus, trading down would get us more draft picks. More draft picks mean a higher chance we get more players we can add to the system.

But if things go poorly for Tavares in Long Island, either he deals with it or he gets moved for something. If things go poorly for Grigorenko, like they did with Filatov or Zherdev or Radulov, he could be gone.

If this guy was a sure thing, like Ovechkin or Malkin was, not just the hype comparisons they use to build interest in the draft, then it would be a different story. But with question marks and the "Russian factor", the Leafs just can't take that risk. And on top of it all, I doubt Burke would do it being the way he is.
- Unholy_Goalie

Newsflash.

Burke can take that risk, and will take that risk

Make my words Jullian

Quit dancing, it doesn't change a thing.

You can defend it all day, Filatovs in Russia, and liles is here. With all you're whining about draft picks wasted, you can't bash the leafs move, and bash the leads for missing out on ottawas move. It's what one would call hypocritical. Not that there's a chance of that happening with you.

You're epic. I love it when you make an ass out of yourself. Makes everyone else's day easier.


- joel878

after your done, let me know, id like an autograph

What'd you read about him?
- jbold

Slick skating ...great vision and hockey sense ....pp qb ...probably reads a lot like Gardiner did actually. Blew his ACL last fall though.

Quit dancing, it doesn't change a thing.

You can defend it all day, Filatovs in Russia, and liles is here. With all you're whining about draft picks wasted, you can't bash the leafs move, and bash the leads for missing out on ottawas move. It's what one would call hypocritical. Not that there's a chance of that happening with you.

You're epic. I love it when you make an ass out of yourself. Makes everyone else's day easier.


- joel878

Post of the day?

Newsflash.

Burke can take that risk, and will take that risk

Make my words Jullian
- IRON.MAIDEN

It's funny how UG knows so much about these prospects, but hasn't even watched them play before.