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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 31 @ 1:26 PM ET
Yup,just sit tight.
- ob18

Yup, plus on top of that you would have to give up assets to move up.

Annnndddd:
Claude Giroux- 22nd overall
Steve Downie- 29th overall
Mike Richards- 24th overall
Justin Williams-28th overall
Simon Gagne- 22nd overall

STAY IN THE 20'S
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 31 @ 1:29 PM ET
It's a great area of the Country. Detroit is no different then any major US City. Has it's good places and bad places.
- MJL

it actually is different from other major cities as in it is one of the worst places to live http://www.dailyfinance.c.../10-worst-places-to-live/ and most dangerous city.

As far as players wanting to play in Detroit I have no doubt they'd want to but as for living there I still think there's some that would have their hesitance.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 31 @ 1:30 PM ET
Detroit has some of the most beautiful suburbs in the country. I highly doubt that it's a deterrent.

Besides, I'd live in the Prudential Center parking lot if it gave me the best chance at getting my name on the Cup.

- bradleyc4

Be my guest but i'd rather not live with Vietnam in my backyard, that's all I'm saying.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

May 31 @ 1:32 PM ET
Do you think that the street light issue is going to matter to a player in where he wants to play? I don't. Ever spent some time in N Philly, or most of Philly for that matter? It's no picnic. My point is that Detroit is one of the top Hockey Cities, with a great Organization in place. And which I'm sure there are areas in the Detroit subburbs that is a good place to live and to raise a family.
- MJL


I have been to Detroit. Think about Philly, NY, Boston, DC... it is easy to escape these places if you dont want to live in the city. And yes, you can do the same in Detroit. But while your escaping Philly, your heading to the Jersey shore... NY is the same, or the mountains of PA and NY. Boston has the local skiinf plus near-by beaches... DC has soo much I wont even begin to try and talk about it. Detroit is smack in the middle of the country. The City is broke, the citizens are largely unemployeed. The night life is... eh at best. Of course these things come into mind when a player is making a decision of where to play. Especially for a country boy like Suter.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:33 PM ET
it actually is different from other major cities as in it is one of the worst places to live http://www.dailyfinance.c.../10-worst-places-to-live/ and most dangerous city.

As far as players wanting to play in Detroit I have no doubt they'd want to but as for living there I still think there's some that would have their hesitance.

- JoeRussomanno



The players won't be living inside the City limits. And it also lists housing costs and unemployment rates as part of the factors. Does that matter to an NHL player?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 31 @ 1:36 PM ET
The players won't be living inside the City limits. And it also lists housing costs and unemployment rates as part of the factors. Does that matter to an NHL player?
- MJL



psshh.. why would anyone wanna live in a house like that
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:37 PM ET
Yup, plus on top of that you would have to give up assets to move up.

Annnndddd:
Claude Giroux- 22nd overall
Steve Downie- 29th overall
Mike Richards- 24th overall
Justin Williams-28th overall
Simon Gagne- 22nd overall

STAY IN THE 20'S

- jak521


Should be a nice group of prospects for them to select from
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:37 PM ET
I have been to Detroit. Think about Philly, NY, Boston, DC... it is easy to escape these places if you dont want to live in the city. And yes, you can do the same in Detroit. But while your escaping Philly, your heading to the Jersey shore... NY is the same, or the mountains of PA and NY. Boston has the local skiinf plus near-by beaches... DC has soo much I wont even begin to try and talk about it. Detroit is smack in the middle of the country. The City is broke, the citizens are largely unemployeed. The night life is... eh at best. Of course these things come into mind when a player is making a decision of where to play. Especially for a country boy like Suter.
- RooNosHockey



I disagree completely that the unemployment rate and the City's finances are a consideration for an NHL player choosing whether they want to play there or not. If Suter is a Country boy like you state, then he might be into the outdoors. And areas very close to Detroit are God's Country and absolute paradises as far as that is concerned. I'm sure there is plenty of quality safe night life available in the Detroit area. There is in every City.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

May 31 @ 1:37 PM ET
They've been able to attract a lot of good players in the past.
- MJL


You mean when the economy was good, and the Car companies were thriving? I'm not saying that Detroit cant get any UFA's, I'm saying if it were me, I wouldnt go there.... especially if I could get the same deal from another city with the same expectations to win like Philly, DC, or NY. I would even stay in Nashville over Detroit.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:40 PM ET
You mean when the economy was good, and the Car companies were thriving? I'm not saying that Detroit cant get any UFA's, I'm saying if it were me, I wouldnt go there.... especially if I could get the same deal from another city with the same expectations to win like Philly, DC, or NY. I would even stay in Nashville over Detroit.
- RooNosHockey



If I'm a UFA player deciding whether or not to sign with Detroit. The economy and how well the Car companies are doing are going to be no where to be found on the list of factors I'm looking at in making that decision.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 31 @ 1:43 PM ET
You mean when the economy was good, and the Car companies were thriving? I'm not saying that Detroit cant get any UFA's, I'm saying if it were me, I wouldnt go there.... especially if I could get the same deal from another city with the same expectations to win like Philly, DC, or NY. I would even stay in Nashville over Detroit.
- RooNosHockey

To each their own, but I think people are making the certain parts of Detroit out to be the end all be all. Have you ever been to Baltimore? Hell I live in Wallingford, which is exactly 15 minutes from Chester and 20 from W. Philly. Ill tell ya what, my beautiful home is in a fantastic neighborhood, and I feel completely safe.

Also, when it comes to crime per capita Chester is one of the worst in the country.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 31 @ 1:43 PM ET
The players won't be living inside the City limits. And it also lists housing costs and unemployment rates as part of the factors. Does that matter to an NHL player?
- MJL

no of course not, but the thing is the city is basically a warzone and at some point and time they do have to enter the city limits. If I could live my life and not have to step one foot into another area like that, it be ok with me.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

May 31 @ 1:44 PM ET
I disagree completely that the unemployment rate and the City's finances are a consideration for an NHL player choosing whether they want to play there or not. If Suter is a Country boy like you state, then he might be into the outdoors. And areas very close to Detroit are God's Country and absolute paradises as far as that is concerned. I'm sure there is plenty of quality safe night life available in the Detroit area. There is in every City.
- MJL

It's a DUMP.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:45 PM ET
To each their own, but I think people are making the certain parts of Detroit out to be the end all be all. Have you ever been to Baltimore? Hell I live in Wallingford, which is exactly 15 minutes from Chester. Ill tell ya what, my beautiful home is in a fantastic neighborhood.

Also, when it comes to crime per capita Chester is one of the worst in the country.

- jak521



And there are some good neighborhoods bordering Chester that are fine places to live. Pay me what I'm looking for, on an Organization that is know for excellence and winning. And I'll find a place to live. That area of upper Michigan is a beautiful area to live.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 31 @ 1:46 PM ET
no of course not, but the thing is the city is basically a warzone and at some point and time they do have to enter the city limits. If I could live my life and not have to step one foot into another area like that, it be ok with me.
- JoeRussomanno

Philadelphia is closing out another year with homicides up again. On a per-capita measurement, the city has the highest murder rate among big U.S. cities."

"Among the ten largest cities, Philadelphia’s murder rate was 20.7 per 100,000. The next closest is Chicago, at 15.7, according to Commissioner Ramsey, who was Chicago’s top cop, before he came here from Washington DC."

-Courtesy of CBS Philly
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:47 PM ET
It's a DUMP.
- RooNosHockey



Lake St Clair, Lake Huron, and Lake Erie aren't dumps. That upper area of Michigan is one of the most beautiful areas in the Country for outdoor recreation.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

May 31 @ 1:49 PM ET
If I'm a UFA player deciding whether or not to sign with Detroit. The economy and how well the Car companies are doing are going to be no where to be found on the list of factors I'm looking at in making that decision.
- MJL


If you can get the same money and contract out of other teams, you better believe stuff like living quality for your kids, school systems, etc are going to be a factor.

If NY and Detroit offered me the same contract. I'm taking NY. And dispite how good Detroit is, the fact that they are getting older may also play into a decision. I cant speak for Suter... But as for me... I would not play in Detroit if I had similiar offers in nicer cities...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 31 @ 1:50 PM ET
Philadelphia is closing out another year with homicides up again. On a per-capita measurement, the city has the highest murder rate among big U.S. cities."

"Among the ten largest cities, Philadelphia’s murder rate was 20.7 per 100,000. The next closest is Chicago, at 15.7, according to Commissioner Ramsey, who was Chicago’s top cop, before he came here from Washington DC."

-Courtesy of CBS Philly

- jak521

oh believe me I'm not one to be beating the "how Great Philadelphia" drum is.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:51 PM ET
If you can get the same money and contract out of other teams, you better believe stuff like living quality for your kids, school systems, etc are going to be a factor.

If NY and Detroit offered me the same contract. I'm taking NY. And dispite how good Detroit is, the fact that they are getting older may also play into a decision. I cant speak for Suter... But as for me... I would not play in Detroit if I had similiar offers in nicer cities...

- RooNosHockey



And all of those things including living quality for your kids, and school systems are available to them in the Detroit area. Are you telling me that there are no quality private schools available in the Detroit area?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 31 @ 1:51 PM ET
And there are some good neighborhoods bordering Chester that are fine places to live. Pay me what I'm looking for, on an Organization that is know for excellence and winning. And I'll find a place to live. That area of upper Michigan is a beautiful area to live.
- MJL


I'm sure Suter talks to other players around the league. I'm sure he can find a nice place to live in Michigan if he decides to sign there. Detroit can offer him what he wants and thats money (long term commitment) plus a chance to contend every single year for the Stanley Cup. If Suter decides that the area is important then he is limiting his options in free agency. I have no idea what hes thinking but I believe a player of his caliber will play anywhere if its right.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 31 @ 1:52 PM ET
oh believe me I'm not one to be beating the "how Great Philadelphia" drum is.
- JoeRussomanno

My point is that every major city has its reallllly bad areas, and its reallllly good areas.

Just bec. one city has bad areas doesnt mean its going to scare players away.. especially from an org. like the Wings.

Remember, the Devils are located in Newark
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
I'm sure Suter talks to other players around the league. I'm sure he can find a nice place to live in Michigan if he decides to sign there. Detroit can offer him what he wants and thats money (long term commitment) plus a chance to contend every single year for the Stanley Cup. If Suter decides that the area is important then he is limiting his options in free agency. I have no idea what hes thinking but I believe a player of his caliber will play anywhere if its right.
- stveshdy



So you don't think Suter is going to rip the boards off the house in a fixer upper, evict the squatters, and move the family into the Hood in the City of Detroit?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 31 @ 1:54 PM ET
If you can get the same money and contract out of other teams, you better believe stuff like living quality for your kids, school systems, etc are going to be a factor.

If NY and Detroit offered me the same contract. I'm taking NY. And dispite how good Detroit is, the fact that they are getting older may also play into a decision. I cant speak for Suter... But as for me... I would not play in Detroit if I had similiar offers in nicer cities...

- RooNosHockey

Nothing wrong with that...
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

May 31 @ 1:54 PM ET
i hope to god that there is no truth to the gonchar rumor. dude can't stay healthy and he's older than dirt. screw that noise. plus his ridiculous cap hit to boot, NO THANK YOU.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 31 @ 1:54 PM ET
My point is that every major city has its reallllly bad areas, and its reallllly good areas.

Just bec. one city has bad areas doesnt mean its going to scare players away.. especially from an org. like the Wings.

Remember, the Devils are located in Newark

- jak521

Detroit is a city that is more and more bad everyday, it's not like every other city, the place is a borderline warzone. Look at Camden, that's where detroit is headed and in a hurry and there is almost NO good areas to live in there unless you build a bunker.
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