I think you have to understand the dynamics of the Chicago market and how much the Hawks have invested in marketing their players—especially Kane and Toews—as their brand.

That IS an issue here.

There could also be more to the story.
- John Jaeckel

To piggy back off of your comment:

The sports business is driven largely by perception, so when a star player being marketed "allegedly" does the things that Kane has, it is an issue. Some people might not find fault in anything he did and that is fine, but there are enough people that will find issue with it and then it does become an issue.

He probably is not doing something that any young red blooded American male hasnt done in their college years (outside of the alleged choking). The problem now is that technology exists all over the place that can document these transgressions. Camera phones were not an issue even 10 years ago. They exist now and the potential issues from that you are seeing via Deadspin. Public figures need to adapt to these changes in order to steer clear of perceived issues, or, face the consequences for right or wrong. That is the reality of it.

I honestly don't care who they trade,as long as it improves the team,and gets them another CUP and soon...I can't say I was thrilled with the Oduya move,but hopefully they deal someone now,and make some room,and land a few players to improve this team,because if it is going to be like the last two years all over again I'll be really pissed...

JJ great read again,any word on Rocky and his feelings?I remember you saying he was unhappy with the early exit etc.. Do you feel he is putting pressure on Stan etc. to make some moves and really improve this team,or are we in for a season of mediocrity ?

You can have Kane. As long as Tyler Myers is part of the deal. Kane is a great player, that cant be denied. I for one think he is a spoiled little punk that wont grow up. I think his father is his enabler. Things will not change. the guy is a cancer off ice and needs to go ASAP.

Its a shame because the sky is the limit with his talent. One player doesnt make a team. and if a player is a disruption to the team he should be moved for the great good.
- BigMike19

we'll take Kane as long as Tyler Myers isn't in the deal. Kane for Miller NSH 1st round pick CGY 2nd round pick and Mark Pysyk

The Sens have cap pace, some young talent plus too many goalies...

I mentioned yesterday they could be a trade partner but probably only if Crawford isn't etched in as number one here.
- Al

Hi Al! new article any time soon? I remember you mentioning something about this Tues.or Wed. But I haven't found anything..or did I just miss it?

Yeah, I don't get all the love for Getzlaf here. The guy looked Brunette-slow this season and especially at Worlds. He would not fit the Hawks' system at all, IMO. Well, to the extent that there IS a system.
- flahawkfan

Getzlaf is a legitimate power forward, playmaker and mean.

Also much more realistic than the Staal delusions.

Like I've been saying , Id rather give Kane a sniper to work with but If the Hawks have decided to trade him there is nothing I can do about it. Nash ? Bobby Ryan ? Getzlaf ? If Montreal is the Trade partner you have to figure PRICE is not involved so PK Subban , Travis Moen and a pick ?? I don't know , If they do move Kane I hope it comes to a head quick, getting kind of sick of it.
- mrpaulish

Moen is an UFA. Don't worry about Kane rumors right now. Hammer is the one that will/should go first. JJ has Kane moving 50/50, I'd say more like 75/25.

Even if they do the straight up Hammer for Methot (save $500k), I'd still go after back end guys like O'Brien or Carkner or both for depth given Monty's injury. Olsen may never stick in the NHL, Lalonde either for that matter.

You mean trying to choke a girl out more?
- stormeyAlterEgo

No, actually, I don't mean that specifically.

I like the creativity and speculation of some of these trades, but Bowman has given every indication that he is MAJOR anti-gamble.

So for the people that have thrown out the kane+stalberg++frolik+pick for nash+methot+dorsett+pick or the

bolland+saad+hjarlmasson+pick for staal+pick

type deals, i wouldnt hold you breath on anything along those lines
- FourFeathers773

Again.. Why does PIT do that deal? If I am them.. I then hang up the phone

Every GM has their share of hits and misses and many people here are ripping on a guy who is inexperienced in the role. I'm with you on being fair and rationale.
- golfbard

And I still do Skille for Frolik in a heartbeat.

The trade worked very well for both teams. Richie and Carts are not leading the kings to the cup.... More like supporting cast.....but I hope they do win it, with gagne as well. I can't find a single flyers fan that if given the chance today would trade Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, Cousins, and Grossman (acquired with a 2nd in that deal) back for Carter and Richards.
- moylander

I actually think the Flyers will be better off long term.

And I still do Skille for Frolik in a heartbeat.
- John Jaeckel

Absolutely.

The kids going a little Lohan on all you Chicago fans huh. Trade him to LA, now hear me out.

1. He likes to take his shirt off (example: Limo in Vancouver during Stanley Cup run) so in LA he is close to beach, perfect.

2. He likes to party (example: Drinking it up with them there College kids) so in LA he can tear it up with two infamous partiers in Cater and Richards and a great club scene, perfect.

3. He likes to play dress up (example: he put on a cape and dorky glasses during All Star Game shoot out) so in LA he can pursue an acting career, or a little cross dressing in West Hollywood, perfect.

4. Kids got a mullet........dont know how this fits in, but I thought it needed to be brought up.

The Trade

To LA - Kane

To Chicago - Bernier, Brown and a 1st.

I don't know how moving Kane is going to end up, but I don't see how you come out on top of a deal when moving a young superstar like kane.
- Lahey

On the ice, yes. In the dressing room, maybe a different story, which in turn can have an effect on the ice

My feeling is that if they do want to move Kane it's not because of what happened in Madison or in the cab but a fear that things will get worse with the kid in the future then every one will say he should have been traded when they had the chance.
- jhawk159

This is a valid theory

I actually think the Flyers will be better off long term.
- John Jaeckel

I agree with this but if the Kings win the Cup.. A lot of people wont say that unless the Flyers win one in the next few years.

Because what other argument is there?

I'm putting my money on the tough love theory. Get on the straight and narrow and stay there, or you are going to the tundra - or Columbus.

I agree with this but if the Kings win the Cup.. A lot of people wont say that unless the Flyers win one in the next few years.

Because what other argument is there?
- pri$ey

Carter is a hot potato - his foot could fall off any day.

That's what I'm thinking. How often does trading a player that good return a better package? At best i think you hope for Nash and convince Howson to give you his 2013 1st and something else for taking out such a large contract.
- Lahey

Howson needs to move Nash, Kane's value might be damaged. There could be an equal value proposition here.

I doubt Murray would do a Ryan for Kane straight up trade and there is no chance for a Getzlaf for Kane trade. Kane, as great a player as he is, would make me nervous if he played for the Ducks. Can you imagine him let loose in Newport Beach?

To piggy back off of your comment:

The sports business is driven largely by perception, so when a star player being marketed "allegedly" does does the things that Kane has, it is an issue. Some people might not find fault in anything he did and that is fine, but there are enough people that will find issue with it and then it does become an issue.

He probably is not doing something that any young red blooded American male hasnt done in their college years (outside of the alleged choking). The problem now is that technology exists all over the place that can document these transgressions. Camera phones were not an issue even 10 years ago. They exist now and the potential issues from that you are seeing via Deadspin. Public figures need to adapt to these changes in order to steer clear of perceived issues, or, face the consequences for right or wrong. That is the reality of it.
- Gunner Staal

Bang on bud. That's just it. He has to be smarter. They've told him numerous times already.

Hi Al! new article any time soon? I remember you mentioning something about this Tues.or Wed. But I haven't found anything..or did I just miss it?
- captainserious

Hi,

will be out soon..

Getzlaf is a legitimate power forward, playmaker and mean.

Also much more realistic than the Staal delusions.
- fattybeef

Agreed.

Kane would arguably be the best forward on the Habs if he was dealt here and when you think of the familiarity of Bergevin it makes a bit more sense but you can pretty much guarantee it won't happen.

If Kane finds trouble in places like Madison or Buffalo then just imagine the trouble that is going to find him in one of the biggest party towns in the world.

This club is full of stories and examples of players who partied too hard at night and were ultimately shipped out of town.

Kane will not be coming to Montreal because of the person Kane is not the player he is

I don't know how moving Kane is going to end up, but I don't see how you come out on top of a deal when moving a young superstar like kane.
- Lahey

Anything is possible, but in general, I agree.

Howson needs to move Nash, Kane's value might be damaged. There could be an equal value proposition here.
- John Jaeckel

Think about this though. Does Howson really need to move Nash? They have 14 players signed and $20MM in cap space at last year's cap number. If money is an issue for Howson, Kane for Nash only saves him $1.5MM annually in cap. Methot is cheaper than Hammer.

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I'm not seeing the urgency for Howson unless he gets an overpay at net less cap to him.