It's a bad trade for both teams .... The leafs would lose youth , witch they should be keeping ..... And the flames would be trading one of there susperstars for less then they would get elsewhere
- The_Vark

We lose Schenn (still plenty of youth on the back end), and Colborne - where do you see him playing? #1C? Bozak is our #3. Colborne doesn't fit. Get something for him.

I'd be happy with:

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($1.500m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.700m) / Tim Connolly ($4.750m) / Matt Frattin ($1.300m)
Carter Ashton ($1.040m) / David Steckel ($1.100m) / Mike Brown ($0.737m)
Joey Crabb ($0.950m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($1.325m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Cody Franson ($1.300m)
Justin Schultz ($1.117m) /
GOALTENDERS
Miikka Kiprusoff ($5.833m)
Ben Scrivens ($1.400m)
BUYOUTS
Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,913,334; BONUSES: $1,262,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,349,166

Absolutely no way they should actually take that trade but speaking strictly from a value standpoint, Kiprusoff would go for more than that. The Flames are dead in the water without him and if they traded him, they would get a lot more than that.
- Unholy_Goalie

speaking from a hockey standpoint...

If you were a flames fan, you'd love this trade, as you would keep begging this team to tank.

And to do a proper rebuild.

Hell, you'd even be calling for Feasters head.

when this turns green...well you won't like it when it turns green.

B-E

R-E-S-P-E-C-T-F-U-L

It's a bad trade for both teams .... The leafs would lose youth , witch they should be keeping ..... And the flames would be trading one of there susperstars for less then they would get elsewhere
- The_Vark

What do you think they could get for Kipper at 36?

Well he did take Van to a game 7 last year.

How about Kipper?

Lu has been in the playoffs for how many years straight now.

How about Kipper?

Nuff said.
- IRON.MAIDEN

Lou is clearly a better goal scorer than Kipper...

I'm sorry...did you say Reimer has a HUGE contract?
- IRON.MAIDEN

In 2013-14, Reimer will make $1.6 million (real dollars, not cap hit).

Kipper will make $1.5 million.

How do you think those numbers look to Calgary?

What do you think they could get for Kipper at 36?
- B-Leaf

1st, A prospect, roster player.

Just like any elite player with some jam left.

No pal, this is a matter of fact.

Please understand.
- IRON.MAIDEN

How is it a fact that u think Lou is better then kipper?


Please find the proof ..... I'll wait

What do you think they could get for Kipper at 36?
- B-Leaf

Big bag of picks and prospects.

For a guy with 71 NHL games total, concussion problems, and a giant question mark, yes, $1.8 million cap hit is huge.

For Calgary, yes, it is huge.
- Atomic Wedgie

And how huge was that contract before the concussion?

The contract gets super small once you bury him in the A..

Just saying..

and the leafs of course have no need to kipper as when we are ready to actually compete he will be long retired.
- Lee Denault

Kiprusoff would instantly put the Leafs in the dreaded 8th place hunt just like he has done with Calgary for years. In addition to the young players it would take to acquire, the Leafs wouldn't be able to tank. It would be very bad for the Leafs in the long run.

That being said, if another team were to acquire Kiprusoff, the price, would be much higher than Schenn, Reimer and Colborne. Much, much higher.

What do you think they could get for Kipper at 36?
- B-Leaf

Depends on who you're trading him too.

Too a team like Chicago? A solid returns with picks and prospects, maybe a solid young roster player.

To a team like Toronto? Nothing. Because he doesn't fit our timetable.

speaking from a hockey standpoint...

If you were a flames fan, you'd love this trade, as you would keep begging this team to tank.
- IRON.MAIDEN

Wrong. If Flames fans want to trade Kiprusoff to start rebuilding, they could get a way better return than that elsewhere. Logical Flames fans would be pissed off that they didn't get more for the one guy who has been keeping them afloat for so long.

How is it a fact that u think Lou is better then kipper?


Please find the proof ..... I'll wait
- The_Vark

You'll be waiting for a while.

I'm not UG. I won't pull stats out to support my arguement.

If you seriously would take Kipper over Lu on a long term approach then I feel really sorry to be a fan of the same team as you.

Kiprusoff would instantly put the Leafs in the dreaded 8th place hunt just like he has done with Calgary for years. In addition to the young players it would take to acquire, the Leafs wouldn't be able to tank. It would be very bad for the Leafs in the long run.

That being said, if another team were to acquire Kiprusoff, the price, would be much higher than Schenn, Reimer and Colborne. Much, much higher.
- Unholy_Goalie

yes sir.

Wrong. If Flames fans want to trade Kiprusoff to start rebuilding, they could get a way better return than that elsewhere. Logical Flames fans would be pissed off that they didn't get more for the one guy who has been keeping them afloat for so long.
- Unholy_Goalie

I seem to remember you blasting the Leafs to dump Kessel and Lupul.

Or am I incorrect?

Lou is clearly a better goal scorer than Kipper...
- B-Leaf

A team like tampa or the caps that are a goalie away ..... Would be willing to offer up more

I need my old avatar back.

You'll be waiting for a while.

I'm not UG. I won't pull stats out to support my arguement.

If you seriously would take Kipper over Lu on a long term approach then I feel really sorry to be a fan of the same team as you.
- IRON.MAIDEN

Where the (frank) did I say long term ?

You'll be waiting for a while.

I'm not UG. I won't pull stats out to support my arguement.

If you seriously would take Kipper over Lu on a long term approach then I feel really sorry to be a fan of the same team as you.
- IRON.MAIDEN

No one said anything about a long term approach.

Posters were arguing over who would they rather have with all the variables included (talent, contract, team in which they play on etc)

Kipper looks more appealing than Lu.

For one I tihnk Kipper is better, that's my opinion.
And for 2 Lu is paid until the year 2022.

Kiprusoff would instantly put the Leafs in the dreaded 8th place hunt just like he has done with Calgary for years. In addition to the young players it would take to acquire, the Leafs wouldn't be able to tank. It would be very bad for the Leafs in the long run.

That being said, if another team were to acquire Kiprusoff, the price, would be much higher than Schenn, Reimer and Colborne. Much, much higher.
- Unholy_Goalie

I seem to remember you blasting the Leafs to dump Kessel and Lupul.

Or am I incorrect?
- IRON.MAIDEN

And they probably should. But they'd be idiots to trade them for less than what they are worth. Just like the Flames would be idiots for trading Kiprusoff for less than he's worth.

- Atomic Wedgie

different from a team under performing and getting in 8th, and a team over achieving or playing at their capabilities and just getting 8th

No one said anything about a long term approach.

Posters were arguing over who would they rather have with all the variables included (talent, contract, team in which they play on etc)

Kipper looks more appealing than Lu.

For one I tihnk Kipper is better, that's my opinion.
And for 2 Lu is paid until the year 2022.
- Lee Denault

And at the end of the day, I'd take either of them for nothing, but I'm not willing to give up young talent to get them.

No one said anything about a long term approach.

Posters were arguing over who would they rather have with all the variables included (talent, contract, team in which they play on etc)

Kipper looks more appealing than Lu.

For one I tihnk Kipper is better, that's my opinion.
And for 2 Lu is paid until the year 2022.
- Lee Denault

This