The question is why do they go to the scrap heap so quick? Is it because they know these guys are going to shoot them down and they go into it with that idea? Lets satisfy the fans by saying, "hey, we try'd"? It seems like they go after the A level players and revert right to the F level almost like throwing their hands in the air and say oh well. Some on here would say, "well who should they sign then"? That's not my job, that's Snows job. I agree with your Phoenix comparison. Is it Snow just not being a capable GM? I think that has more to do with it then most on here want to believe. Whether it be the respect he receives in the league or otherwise.
- Cptmjl

Isles have plenty of time to get ready for the offseason. Snow should have a list. If I cannot get this guy I go for this guy and so on. Snow also cannot waste time going after the stars that we loses out on the solid guys the Isles have a shot in signing.

The question is why do they go to the scrap heap so quick? Is it because they know these guys are going to shoot them down and they go into it with that idea? Lets satisfy the fans by saying, "hey, we try'd"? It seems like they go after the A level players and revert right to the F level almost like throwing their hands in the air and say oh well. Some on here would say, "well who should they sign then"? That's not my job, that's Snows job. I agree with your Phoenix comparison. Is it Snow just not being a capable GM? I think that has more to do with it then most on here want to believe. Whether it be the respect he receives in the league or otherwise.
- Cptmjl

The only ones who know the answer to that are Snow and Wang. At first glance, it would appear that they do it because Wang would rather rush a prospect and have his unattainable bonuses count towards the floor than to pay actual dollars out to a veteran on a guaranteed contract. That keeps the payroll down for a team that generates no revenue. Problem with that is you rush prospects and stunt or destroy their development and you don't ice a team that has a prayer of being competitive with other teams that are willing to spend real dollars on player payroll.

Unfortunately, we're going to be seeing more of the last couple of seasons for the next three. Once CW either sells to another owner or gets a new arena in NY or elsewhere, the excuses will have to end for this team and I would expect and hope to see a serious push towards building a contender.

The only fork in the road we know anymore
- Killer' Carlson

They both lead to the same place.. NVMC

XxNYIxX

The only ones who know the answer to that are Snow and Wang. At first glance, it would appear that they do it because Wang would rather rush a prospect and have his unattainable bonuses count towards the floor than to pay actual dollars out to a veteran on a guaranteed contract. That keeps the payroll down for a team that generates no revenue. Problem with that is you rush prospects and stunt or destroy their development and you don't ice a team that has a prayer of being competitive with other teams that are willing to spend real dollars on player payroll.

Unfortunately, we're going to be seeing more of the last couple of seasons for the next three. Once CW either sells to another owner or gets a new arena in NY or elsewhere, the excuses will have to end for this team and I would expect and hope to see a serious push towards building a contender.
- Jethro09

Playing the youth began when this rebuild began. When Nolan was the coach, he was a wiener about it but he demanded that Wang hold onto vets and keep the young boys down to develop. Wang canned him and here we are today with players pushed through the system with the broken fish net.
The guys they picked up last year weren't so quick as someone pointed out. Rolston was a deal with NJ to lose Hunter's salary for multiple years instead of Rolstons one year. Reasoner was a decent hockey player until he wore an Islander uniform. I do admit Pandolfo and Staios were an Oh sh*t, we have no veteran leadership, whats left kind of moves but all in all, those two were probably the better signs.
My money is still in that our coaching is why we are still down where we are. It seems that he has zero control on many things. When a coach does not have full control of his team on and off the ice, the ship will never sail right.

The only ones who know the answer to that are Snow and Wang. At first glance, it would appear that they do it because Wang would rather rush a prospect and have his unattainable bonuses count towards the floor than to pay actual dollars out to a veteran on a guaranteed contract. That keeps the payroll down for a team that generates no revenue. Problem with that is you rush prospects and stunt or destroy their development and you don't ice a team that has a prayer of being competitive with other teams that are willing to spend real dollars on player payroll.

Unfortunately, we're going to be seeing more of the last couple of seasons for the next three. Once CW either sells to another owner or gets a new arena in NY or elsewhere, the excuses will have to end for this team and I would expect and hope to see a serious push towards building a contender.
- Jethro09

That's my problem with all of this, the excuses. I can't stomach the fuxking excuses anymore, it's insulting at this point.

Playing the youth began when this rebuild began. When Nolan was the coach, he was a wiener about it but he demanded that Wang hold onto vets and keep the young boys down to develop. Wang canned him and here we are today with players pushed through the system with the broken fish net.
The guys they picked up last year weren't so quick as someone pointed out. Rolston was a deal with NJ to lose Hunter's salary for multiple years instead of Rolstons one year. Reasoner was a decent hockey player until he wore an Islander uniform. I do admit Pandolfo and Staios were an Oh sh*t, we have no veteran leadership, whats left kind of moves but all in all, those two were probably the better signs.
My money is still in that our coaching is why we are still down where we are. It seems that he has zero control on many things. When a coach does not have full control of his team on and off the ice, the ship will never sail right.
- brodydog29

I agree, Capuano is not the right man for the job. Some people on here say we aren't ready for a "real" coach which I find hysterical(I say on here bcs I hear this shat no where else)? You need a real coach to teach and develop your high draft picks and "high end" talent. It is so damn important I have no idea how some brush it off like it's no big deal? Just what I see from a fans (a rabid fan) point of view I wouldn't let this guy near my players, draft picks, anyone for that matter. He so clearly doesn't have a clue it's obvious to even the casual hockey fan. The coaching situation is an absolute disgrace, Wang and Snow lost whatever little credibility they may have had in some peoples eyes by giving him the vote of confidence for another season. What was their reasoning for keeping him on another season?

I agree, Capuano is not the right man for the job. Some people on here say we aren't ready for a "real" coach which I find hysterical(I say on here bcs I hear this shat no where else)? You need a real coach to teach and develop your high draft picks and "high end" talent. It is so damn important I have no idea how some brush it off like it's no big deal? Just what I see from a fans (a rabid fan) point of view I wouldn't let this guy near my players, draft picks, anyone for that matter. He so clearly doesn't have a clue it's obvious to even the casual hockey fan. The coaching situation is an absolute disgrace, Wang and Snow lost whatever little credibility they may have had in some peoples eyes by giving him the vote of confidence for another season. What was their reasoning for keeping him on another season?
- Cptmjl

I believe..

1. What he did at the end of the 10-11 season
2. Doug Weight isnt ready yet.

XxNYIxX

If those are the reasons.. i hope Doug is ready SOON! Im not saying he is going to be any better then Cap, or that it wouldnt better this team to go with an established Coach... I just feel that DW is the next coach.. for better or worse

Really not necessary..

All i said was, he will not be a game changer, nothing else..he scored 55 points in the Q on a good team that was geared for the Memporial Cup. Their team was eliminated from the playoofs, but what do I know.. I got to watch him all year..
- bixll

You like throwing around the phrase "you don't have to agree with me."

Well, then don't agree with me. It's hilarious to me that you quoted my obviously over-the-top post and basically ignored my sensible post.
Point being, I don't have to watch this kid play in juniors. It's way too early to kick dirt on this kid's NHL grave. You may be right, you may be wrong...but it's certainly too early to make a statement like the one you made in your OP. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but so am I.

At one point, the two guys I mentioned, Stefan and Daigle were tearing up juniors and every other level at a high enough level that they were both selected as number one in their drafts. Well, they sucked in the NHL.

You like throwing around the phrase "you don't have to agree with me."

Well, then don't agree with me. It's hilarious to me that you quoted my obviously over-the-top post and basically ignored my sensible post.
Point being, I don't have to watch this kid play in juniors. It's way too early to kick dirt on this kid's NHL grave. You may be right, you may be wrong...but it's certainly too early to make a statement like the one you made in your OP. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but so am I.

At one point, the two guys I mentioned, Stefan and Daigle were tearing up juniors and every other level at a high enough level that they were both selected as number one in their drafts. Well, they sucked in the NHL.
- potvin05

They didnt just suck.. they swallowed!


XxNYIxX

I believe..

1. What he did at the end of the 10-11 season
2. Doug Weight isnt ready yet.

XxNYIxX

If those are the reasons.. i hope Doug is ready SOON! Im not saying he is going to be any better then Cap, or that it wouldnt better this team to go with an established Coach... I just feel that DW is the next coach.. for better or worse
- XxNYIxX

Nobody knows what type of coach Weight might (will) be for this team, but there is no reason to believe that he will be any better than Cappy. Just because he was a great player doesn't mean he'll be a good coach (see trottier, Gretzky). If they're going to make a coaching move, it should be for an NHL veteran bench boss with a track record of winning with a young roster. Not easy to come by but certainly not impossible to find.

I'm guessing you see these kids more than any of us? From what you have seen of Cizikas what do you think he could wind up being?
- Cptmjl

A Leader, A Captain, heart and soul of a team.

You like throwing around the phrase "you don't have to agree with me."

Well, then don't agree with me. It's hilarious to me that you quoted my obviously over-the-top post and basically ignored my sensible post.
Point being, I don't have to watch this kid play in juniors. It's way too early to kick dirt on this kid's NHL grave. You may be right, you may be wrong...but it's certainly too early to make a statement like the one you made in your OP. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but so am I.

At one point, the two guys I mentioned, Stefan and Daigle were tearing up juniors and every other level at a high enough level that they were both selected as number one in their drafts. Well, they sucked in the NHL.
- potvin05

How can you intelligently argue with my assesment when you have not watched him play?

You have setainly pointed out that there have been 2 players that have perofrmed well in Jr and then bit the big one in the NHL, congrats on pointing that out. We all are aware of the Daigle draft.

I agree, Capuano is not the right man for the job. Some people on here say we aren't ready for a "real" coach which I find hysterical(I say on here bcs I hear this shat no where else)? You need a real coach to teach and develop your high draft picks and "high end" talent. It is so damn important I have no idea how some brush it off like it's no big deal? Just what I see from a fans (a rabid fan) point of view I wouldn't let this guy near my players, draft picks, anyone for that matter. He so clearly doesn't have a clue it's obvious to even the casual hockey fan. The coaching situation is an absolute disgrace, Wang and Snow lost whatever little credibility they may have had in some peoples eyes by giving him the vote of confidence for another season. What was their reasoning for keeping him on another season?
- Cptmjl

ive read every single post over the past 6 months and NO ONE has said the islanders arent ready for a "real" coach

How can you intelligently argue with my assesment when you have not watched him play?

You have setainly pointed out that there have been 2 players that have perofrmed well in Jr and then bit the big one in the NHL, congrats on pointing that out. We all are aware of the Daigle draft.
- bixll

I've watched him at least a little bit. Certainly not as much as you have, but he was in camp this past year and played two rookie games against Boston's junior and AHL prospects, and also played in two or three preseason games on top of that. They also aired one of his juniors games this past season and I watched that. I said it in a previous thread, but I thought the kid showed some good vision in the offensive zone in those games. Didn't try too many fancy moves that don't translate from juniors to the higher levels, but rather spent more time setting up teammates in good scoring areas, even when he was under pressure. Awareness isn't a bad quality to have.

There were definitely things to work on. He looked rail thin and he played with the puck way too much at the blue line. Raw ability? I think he can make it. I think it's probably more of a question of how committed he'll be and perhaps more so, how the Islanders handle his development once they become entirely responsible for it next season.

Bix, I'm not writing this to challenge anything you said, by the way. I know you're not arguing about whether he can make it or not, but rather whether he'll be a "game changer." I don't have a clue there. Just throwing out some of my own observations based on a minuscule sample size I saw.

How can you intelligently argue with my assesment when you have not watched him play?

You have setainly pointed out that there have been 2 players that have perofrmed well in Jr and then bit the big one in the NHL, congrats on pointing that out. We all are aware of the Daigle draft.
- bixll

I guess I should just unintelligently say he's going to suck then, huh? Does it matter if you've seen him play? Do you honestly believe that?

Ok. You're right. I won't disagree with you anymore. You must be a scout.
Close the curtain. The kid's done. I know you're all aware. Let's just declare him a lost cause. Or, not a "game changer." Because you said so.

Are you happy now?

A Leader, A Captain, hear and soul of a team.
- bixll

YOU would know, wouldn't you?

How are you not on someone's payroll, seriously? These are seminal words you just throw around. Do you take notes as you watch?

Casey Cizekas: FUTURE CAPTAIN!!!

I've watched him at least a little bit. Certainly not as much as you have, but he was in camp this past year and played two rookie games against Boston's junior and AHL prospects, and also played in two or three preseason games on top of that. They also aired one of his juniors games this past season and I watched that. I said it in a previous thread, but I thought the kid showed some good vision in the offensive zone in those games. Didn't try too many fancy moves that don't translate from juniors to the higher levels, but rather spent more time setting up teammates in good scoring areas, even when he was under pressure. Awareness isn't a bad quality to have.

There were definitely things to work on. He looked rail thin and he played with the puck way too much at the blue line. Raw ability? I think he can make it. I think it's probably more of a question of how committed he'll be and perhaps more so, how the Islanders handle his development once they become entirely responsible for it next season.

Bix, I'm not writing this to challenge anything you said, by the way. I know you're not arguing about whether he can make it or not, but rather whether he'll be a "game changer." I don't have a clue there. Just throwing out some of my own observations based on a minuscule sample size I saw.
- UIF

You don't know poop.

I guess I should just unintelligently say he's going to suck then, huh? Does it matter if you've seen him play? Do you honestly believe that?

Ok. You're right. I won't disagree with you anymore. You must be a scout.
Close the curtain. The kid's done. I know you're all aware. Let's just declare him a lost cause. Or, not a "game changer." Because you said so.

Are you happy now?
- potvin05

Watch the games and make your own judgements..Or not and make your own judgements..

Mature response.....Not..

YOU would know, wouldn't you?

How are you not on someone's payroll, seriously? These are seminal words you just throw around. Do you take notes as you watch?

Casey Cizekas: FUTURE CAPTAIN!!!
- potvin05

When you grow up, and actually watch games, you may understand..the game.

YOU would know, wouldn't you?

How are you not on someone's payroll, seriously? These are seminal words you just throw around. Do you take notes as you watch?

Casey Cizekas: FUTURE CAPTAIN!!!
- potvin05

I am on someones payroll.

When I am having dinner with Larry Robinson next week, I will take a second to discuss this with him..

If you do not watch the games, how do you come up with your own opinions about players??? Or, do you just by what others tell you..

I forgot, because I have not posted for a while, you are the angry kid..

I am on someones payroll.

When I am having dinner with Larry Robinson next week, I will take a second to discuss this with him..

If you do not watch the games, how do you come up with your own opinions about players??? Or, do you just by what others tell you..

I forgot, because I have not posted for a while, you are the angry kid..
- bixll

I think it's fantastic you get this worked up about all this.
For a guy who says people are entitled to their own opinions, you come off as awfully defensive.
Am I young? At 35, maybe a little, but I'd say nope. Am I unintelligent? I would say not. Am I angry? Um...why would I be angry? Am I immature? Of course.
Do you take yourself just a little too seriously? Yes. Do you need to calm down a bit? I would opine, yes.
I've been watching hockey since the early 80s. I can most definitely decipher a good player from a mediocre one. Do I live in the junior hockey hotbed of Nova Scotia? No I do not. I actually pointed out a couple of days ago, that a) you're probably right about all this, and that b) you probably do know hockey better than me.
I'm done with this discussion. If I wanted a pointless "argument" I'd be in the living room with my wife right now.
Just don't forget to tell Larry Robinson you got into some pointless argument with some random dude on some hockey rumor site. I'm sure he'll get a gigantic kick out of that.