What are the odds that Shaw is able to fill that #3C role, and replace Bolland, before Kruger? Shaw's position in Juniors, and where he was drafted, is Center though he plays on the Wing now. I have no idea how he is in the face-off circle.
- eburgio

Maybe if he fills in and adds muscle, but not until then.

I see your point, but I'm just trying to think what Stan will do, not what should be done.

If it were up to me I'd trade Kruger. Unless somebody else gets moved I don't see a place for him on the team.
- DarthKane

I still believe a "core" player needs to go in order to fill several needs (similar to what Philly did); however, you have to hit a home run like Homer did last year, and NOTHING Bowman has done gives me any faith he can do it. It is the same argument as with Suter...Do you bring in one $6.5-$7M player, or two $3.5-$4M players (like Jackman AND Oduya)?

I still believe a "core" player needs to go in order to fill several needs (similar to what Philly did); however, you have to hit a home run like Homer did last year, and NOTHING Bowman has done gives me any faith he can do it. It is the same argument as with Suter...Do you bring in one $6.5-$7M player, or two $3.5-$4M players (like Jackman AND Oduya)?
- hawks2010

I initially thought go for Suter (and I will be happy if Stan does) but I think signing 2 better quality depth d-men.

I wouldn't trade him...

I think Shaw has a good chance of becoming more than a grinder as long as he can control himself.

He is smart and has good hands...Plays bigger than his size, plus he is cheap.

Shaw fills a need here that is in demand and he made a profound difference last year.



- Al

that's 'exactly' what I would want other GM's to think. Overall though I know the hawks won't trade him. It's not in their organizational DNA. He's a fan favorite, as mentioned by someone else.


It would be nice to see the hawks sell high.... It's been a while. Buff, Ladd, Versteeg, Eager, Sopel, etc were forced by the cap. Campbell by his contract. I was mostly trying to think a) if the hawks have a surplus of talent somewhere (4th line NHL players and lots of quality prospects) and b) who created more value for themselves during last season (Stalberg, Shaw, Hayes?, Toews, Seabs).


Thinking about trading Shaw could prove to be one of my more brain dead moments.

To the people asking, would you rather have a high end dman like Suter or get two quality depth dmen, why do we have to choose, why not get both?

Sign two quality depth d guys and limit Keith's minutes to more manageable levels, and watch him become a top defenseman again. So you get the depth guys and a superstar back, because let's face it, Keith sure hasn't played like one the last two years.

To the people asking, would you rather have a high end dman like Suter or get two quality depth dmen, why do we have to choose, why not get both?

Sign two quality depth d guys and limit Keith's minutes to more manageable levels, and watch him become a top defenseman again. So you get the depth guys and a superstar back, because let's face it, Keith sure hasn't played like one the last two years.
- Tweek

I say make a run at Allen and O'Brian to limit leddy and Montys mins...O'Brian to the 3rd pair Allen to the 2nd pair

I say make a run at Allen and O'Brian to limit leddy and Montys mins...O'Brian to the 3rd pair Allen to the 2nd pair
- southernhawk

Somebody else suggested this and I can't believe I am in agreement. What about Oduya and Jackman? Jackman would be awesome, he's the tough type of d-man we need. But as far a puck moving d-man there won't be much left after Suter, Carle, Garrison, and Wideman (all likely to pricey) so Oduya might be the best option.

I still believe a "core" player needs to go in order to fill several needs (similar to what Philly did); however, you have to hit a home run like Homer did last year, and NOTHING Bowman has done gives me any faith he can do it. It is the same argument as with Suter...Do you bring in one $6.5-$7M player, or two $3.5-$4M players (like Jackman AND Oduya)?
- hawks2010

it would be something...... I can see it now....

Hawks trade for rights to Zach Parise

Five minutes later:

Hawks trade Patrick Kane to Boston for David Krejci (physical, young, 2nd line center) and Dougie Hamilton (NHL ready 6'5" physical dman)

Five minutes later:

Hawks trade Patrick Sharp, Brandon Saad, plus a 1st for Evader Kane and Blake Wheeler

Go out and sign FA garrison

What do ya got....


Wheeler - Toews - Parise
Hossa - Krejci - E Kane
Bickell - Bolland - Stalberg
Shaw - Kruger - Mayers
Carcillo

Seabs - Garrison
Keith - Hammer
Hamilton - Leddy
Monty






Yeah...... Nevermind ...... It's SB we are taking about

Somebody else suggested this and I can't believe I am in agreement. What about Oduya and Jackman? Jackman would be awesome, he's the tough type of d-man we need. But as far a puck moving d-man there won't be much left after Suter, Carle, Garrison, and Wideman (all likely to pricey) so Oduya might be the best option.
- DarthKane

Oduya will have to take a pay cut and Jackman might be pricey too ...O'Brian can be had for less than 2mill ....if Olsen had a nasty side he could work but like MOST of our guys he's soft as baby sh!t

it would be something...... I can see it now....

Hawks trade for rights to Zach Parise

Five minutes later:

Hawks trade Patrick Kane to Boston for David Krejci (physical, young, 2nd line center) and Dougie Hamilton (NHL ready 6'5" physical dman)

Five minutes later:

Hawks trade Patrick Sharp, Brandon Saad, plus a 1st for Evader Kane and Blake Wheeler

Go out and sign FA garrison

What do ya got....


Wheeler - Toews - Parise
Hossa - Krejci - E Kane
Bickell - Bolland - Stalberg
Shaw - Kruger - Mayers
Carcillo

Seabs - Garrison
Keith - Hammer
Hamilton - Leddy
Monty






Yeah...... Nevermind ...... It's SB we are taking about
- moylander

Damn you why do you mess with our heads...

I want a winger that will drop'em to protect the captain if he goes were phucked

Oduya will have to take a pay cut and Jackman might be pricey too ...O'Brian can be had for less than 2mill ....if Olsen had a nasty side he could work but like MOST of our guys he's soft as baby sh!t
- southernhawk

Oduya is another Monty..... Don't fall into that trap again..... Even Winnipeg fans wanted oduya off the team.

Jackman..... Like him a lot. Solid defender + bad a$$ mofo. Good fit for the hawks needs. Is he even a FA?

Oduya is another Monty..... Don't fall into that trap again..... Even Winnipeg fans wanted oduya off the team.

Jackman..... Like him a lot. Solid defender + bad a$$ mofo. Good fit for the hawks needs. Is he even a FA?
- moylander

Health wise oduya is better Monty might sneeze and be concussed
Jackman a FA not sure...but he's gettg a lil long in the tooth

Oduya is another Monty..... Don't fall into that trap again..... Even Winnipeg fans wanted oduya off the team.

Jackman..... Like him a lot. Solid defender + bad a$$ mofo. Good fit for the hawks needs. Is he even a FA?
- moylander

Jackman is a UFA.

Who does Stan sign as a puck moving d-man? Instead of Jackman and Oduya how about Garrison and O'Brien or Carle and O'Brien (if Stan can sign Carle for a reasonable cap hit).

Hawks pursuing P.A. Parenteau?

http://nhlbeat.blogspot.c...-to-pursue-parenteau.html

Hawks pursuing P.A. Parenteau?

http://nhlbeat.blogspot.c...-to-pursue-parenteau.html
- HABSCAPS9

Pass. Not a bad option, but he doesn't address any of our specific needs - 2nd line centre, big body forward or PK forward.

I wish we could get Getzlaf or Lucic......

What are the odds that Shaw is able to fill that #3C role, and replace Bolland, before Kruger? Shaw's position in Juniors, and where he was drafted, is Center though he plays on the Wing now. I have no idea how he is in the face-off circle.
- eburgio

I suggested the same thing, definitely a possibility down the road. Another reason he won't be traded, we all kno Q loves versatility in players, that's just another check mark beside Shaw's name.

I wouldn't trade him...

I think Shaw has a good chance of becoming more than a grinder as long as he can control himself.

He is smart and has good hands...Plays bigger than his size, plus he is cheap.

Shaw fills a need here that is in demand and he made a profound difference last year.



- Al

Agree, Al. He has a really solid hockey IQ...and he's willing to get do about anything to help his team--including getting smacked in the face for a PP. Those guys (with skill) aren't terribly easy to come by & can have an infectious influence on a locker room.

Why do I constantly see people suggesting Shane O'Brien? Does everyone forget what a doooosh the guy was when playing for the Canuckles? Perhaps he has grown up some, but wow...short term memory. I agree that his style is what the Hawks need, but I would pass on HIM, specifically.

Pass. Not a bad option, but he doesn't address any of our specific needs - 2nd line centre, big body forward or PK forward.
- DarthKane

Interesting...if true. If the story is accurate, he'd probably be replacing a higher-priced contract of a similarly soft player, IMO. Otherwise, the few openings outside the core will not address needs for the playoffs--still too soft for 2012-13.

Why do I constantly see people suggesting Shane O'Brien? Does everyone forget what a doooosh the guy was when playing for the Canuckles? Perhaps he has grown up some, but wow...short term memory. I agree that his style is what the Hawks need, but I would pass on HIM, specifically.
- eburgio

If Carcilo is on the Hawks, why couldn't O'Brien? Besides, I bet OB is not the same douche as he was when playing for AV.

Oduya is another Monty..... Don't fall into that trap again..... Even Winnipeg fans wanted oduya off the team.

Jackman..... Like him a lot. Solid defender + bad a$$ mofo. Good fit for the hawks needs. Is he even a FA?
- moylander

He is a UFA, is 31, and had a $3.625M cap hit his last contract. I didn't think much of him either until I noticed that he led all upcoming Dmen in ice time on the PK (just under 4 minutes per game!). He would fit nicely in our second pairing D, and is the a-hole Dman this team needs.

Why do I constantly see people suggesting Shane O'Brien? Does everyone forget what a doooosh the guy was when playing for the Canuckles? Perhaps he has grown up some, but wow...short term memory. I agree that his style is what the Hawks need, but I would pass on HIM, specifically.
- eburgio

As AL said he's improved since then and hasn't been a minus player since his Tampa bay days

And O'Brian is 6'3 220 seabrooks size and way nastier