Assuming Bollig returns, I take this to mean that Stan has filled his wing positions of the 4th and is looking for Carcillo to be a space creator in the top 6 again. Carcillo with Kane and Hossa might have been the Hawks most productive line this year.
- NewToHockey

They will have 14 wingers signed once they sign Bollig; however, I have to believe one or two wingers will be moved before the season starts and Hayes will likely start at Rockford. That will leave them one MAYBE two forward spots open (depending on Hossa's status). I fear the team we saw last will more than likely be the team we will see next year.

They will have 14 wingers signed once they sign Bollig; however, I have to believe one or two wingers will be moved before the season starts and Hayes will likely start at Rockford. That will leave them one MAYBE two forward spots open (depending on Hossa's status). I fear the team we saw last will more than likely be the team we will see next year.
- hawks2010

The way I see it, one of Bickell, Frolik, and Shaw has to be moved. I see all three of them as best suited for third line duty at this point. Bickell, like Stalberg, could have value for a team tight to the cap as part of a larger deal.

The way I see it, one of Bickell, Frolik, and Shaw has to be moved. I see all three of them as best suited for third line duty at this point. Bickell, like Stalberg, could have value for a team tight to the cap as part of a larger deal.
- NewToHockey

NO WAY Shaw gets moved. No one outside of Toews or maybe Kane scores bigger goals. Bickell makes basically the minimum, and although does a great disappearing act, gives you decent point totals by the end of year for the money...not likely to be moved. That leaves Frolik, for sure, and possibly Stalberg...though the Bowmans LOVE their Swedes. Frolik will likely be gone due to cap savings, and Hayes goes to Rockford to start the year. That leaves 1 spot open unless Hossa doesn't return. Like I said, NEW TEAM SAME AS THE OLD TEAM. Sad but true because I think Bowman views rookies stepping in in '13-'14.

Swedish? Sorry, I was wrong - thought it was Yiddish....
- StLBravesFan

Does put a different spin on it.

NO WAY Shaw gets moved. No one outside of Toews or maybe Kane scores bigger goals. Bickell makes basically the minimum, and although does a great disappearing act, gives you decent point totals by the end of year for the money...not likely to be moved. That leaves Frolik, for sure, and possibly Stalberg...though the Bowmans LOVE their Swedes. Frolik will likely be gone due to cap savings, and Hayes goes to Rockford to start the year. That leaves 1 spot open unless Hossa doesn't return. Like I said, NEW TEAM SAME AS THE OLD TEAM. Sad but true because I think Bowman views rookies stepping in in '13-'14.
- hawks2010

Hang tight until the draft & the few days after, leading up to the opening of FA.

Heck, last year no one would have believed SB could move Soupy.

NO WAY Shaw gets moved. No one outside of Toews or maybe Kane scores bigger goals. Bickell makes basically the minimum, and although does a great disappearing act, gives you decent point totals by the end of year for the money...not likely to be moved. That leaves Frolik, for sure, and possibly Stalberg...though the Bowmans LOVE their Swedes. Frolik will likely be gone due to cap savings, and Hayes goes to Rockford to start the year. That leaves 1 spot open unless Hossa doesn't return. Like I said, NEW TEAM SAME AS THE OLD TEAM. Sad but true because I think Bowman views rookies stepping in in '13-'14.
- hawks2010

Makes me think Shaw might be just the kind of player to trade. 5th round pick gets 12 goals and 23 points in 30 some games. Sell high.


Frolik had a meager 5 goals and makes $2.3 per season. Sell now and you sold low.


Bickell had 9 goals and was terrible last season.... Came of a 17 goal season before last season which would have been a prime time to trade him. Sell now and you just sold low again.


Buy low... Sell high. That's what we are taught, right? When a 5th rounder played lights out last season...... Maybe it is time to consider a trade since Carcillo is a similar player to Shaw IMO.


Same theory..... I'm kinda pissed the flyers didn't trade Bob before last season after a breakout first year (and the Bryz signing)..... Now to unload him at $1.75 million we get nothing in return. Some food for thought.

Actually Shaw might be just the kind of player to trade. 5th round pick gets 12 goals and 23 points in 30 some games. Sell high.


Frolik had a meager 5 goals and makes $2.3 per season. Sell now and you sold low.


Bickell had 9 goals and was terrible last season.... Came of a 17 goal season before last season which would have been a prime time to trade him. Sell now and you just sold low again.


Buy low... Sell high. That's what we are taught, right? When a 5th rounder played lights out last season...... Maybe it is time to consider a trade since Carcillo is a similar player to Shaw IMO.


Same theory..... I'm kinda pissed the flyers didn't trade Bob before last season after a breakout first year (and the Bryz signing)..... Now to unload him at $1.75 million we get nothing in return. Some food for thought.
- moylander

Problem is, Shaw was one of the few bright spots last year, and has become a bit of a fan favorite. To trade him would create even more bad PR for a team that doesn't need any more. With your theory, Stalberg should be the one to trade since he would bring back even more than Shaw.

Problem is, Shaw was one of the few bright spots last year, and has become a bit of a fan favorite. To trade him would create even more bad PR for a team that doesn't need any more.
- hawks2010

no disputing that, fans would be pissed. but this is a business and the hawks have a surplus of 4th liners to deal from with a lot of holes to fill. Put a winning team on the ice and fans will forget about SB trading Shaw.

Not saying they 'should' trade him..... Just saying he may fetch some return and if I were SB I'd consider it. Doubt they find a taker for Frolik .... and Bickell after last season won't get much in return. best to just keep Bickell and pray for another 17 goal season. Jmo.

Of all the bottom 6 / PK forwards our there I think that Jim Slater is at the top of the list. He'd be the perfect 4C and could really focus on the PK.
- DarthKane

I think Slater enjoyed his time here playing top 9 minutes and being a fan favourite (won some kind of award for his contributions to the community) so I'll be surprised if Chevy lets him walk without making a good offer. However, that all goes out the window with a chance to win. As for Wellwood, he was good in his role but he's not a shut down guy and isn't very good in the dot. Nice mitts on him though.

I would be very surprised if WPG lets Slater walk. The line of Glass-Slater-Thorburn were the only consistent line all season for the Jets and they seemed very happy with their seasons.

Jim was a fan favourite in Winnipeg and also quite involved with the community - http://jets.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=75587 - Take a Jet to Work day.

Hey - I hope they don't resign him because he would be a great fit but I think they retain him or he leaves for bigger dollars.

The Hawks won't pay a lot for a 4th line centre I don't imagine. Guys like Slater and Greg Campbell will be looking for 1M + for next year I'm betting.
- TyCamScore

Whoops. Got a bit ahead of myself there. Anyway, you pretty much nailed it. Like I said, I'll be surprised if he walks unless Chevy low balls him. In which case, I (along with many others) would be rattled.

NO WAY Shaw gets moved. No one outside of Toews or maybe Kane scores bigger goals. Bickell makes basically the minimum, and although does a great disappearing act, gives you decent point totals by the end of year for the money...not likely to be moved. That leaves Frolik, for sure, and possibly Stalberg...though the Bowmans LOVE their Swedes. Frolik will likely be gone due to cap savings, and Hayes goes to Rockford to start the year. That leaves 1 spot open unless Hossa doesn't return. Like I said, NEW TEAM SAME AS THE OLD TEAM. Sad but true because I think Bowman views rookies stepping in in '13-'14.
- hawks2010

I really doubt we're going to see the status quo maintained come October. I would have to guess there is too much pressure coming from above for Stan to sit tight and make minor moves like looking for another O'D. I think a surprise is coming, be it Suter or a trade.

I really doubt we're going to see the status quo maintained come October. I would have to guess there is too much pressure coming from above for Stan to sit tight and make minor moves like looking for another O'D. I think a surprise is coming, be it Suter or a trade.
- NewToHockey

I agree with you. But the question is - will the surprise be a good one or a bad one?

I really doubt we're going to see the status quo maintained come October. I would have to guess there is too much pressure coming from above for Stan to sit tight and make minor moves like looking for another O'D. I think a surprise is coming, be it Suter or a trade.
- NewToHockey

Pressure from above AND from Q: seems like Q has been given a lot of say - if not power - in what goes on, and he's not likely to quietly accept the "status quo".

Problem is, Shaw was one of the few bright spots last year, and has become a bit of a fan favorite. To trade him would create even more bad PR for a team that doesn't need any more. With your theory, Stalberg should be the one to trade since he would bring back even more than Shaw.
- hawks2010

How much value does Shaw really have in the market? An under-sized energy player who does seem to have a knack for being in the right place at the right time - but in only 30 (?) games, what skills has he really shown for the long term? A legit force or a flash-in-the-pan? Not sure he really showed much besides the ability to have pucks go in off of his legs.

Assuming Bollig returns, I take this to mean that Stan has filled his wing positions of the 4th and is looking for Carcillo to be a space creator in the top 6 again. Carcillo with Kane and Hossa might have been the Hawks most productive line this year.
- NewToHockey

I think the plan to start will be to have Carcillo play up.

How much value does Shaw really have in the market? An under-sized energy player who does seem to have a knack for being in the right place at the right time - but in only 30 (?) games, what skills has he really shown for the long term? A legit force or a flash-in-the-pan? Not sure he really showed much besides the ability to have pucks go in off of his legs.
- StLBravesFan

I wouldn't trade him...

I think Shaw has a good chance of becoming more than a grinder as long as he can control himself.

He is smart and has good hands...Plays bigger than his size, plus he is cheap.

Shaw fills a need here that is in demand and he made a profound difference last year.

I really doubt we're going to see the status quo maintained come October. I would have to guess there is too much pressure coming from above for Stan to sit tight and make minor moves like looking for another O'D. I think a surprise is coming, be it Suter or a trade.
- NewToHockey

It would have to be a trade because their roster is already set at 21, 22 once Bollig is signed. This FO has NO creativity, so I don't see a trade that surprises made (like Holmgren did with Philly last year). I will remain thinking this way until Bowman shows us something different.

I wouldn't trade him...

I think Shaw has a good chance of becoming more than a grinder as long as he can control himself.

He is smart and has good hands...Plays bigger than his size, plus he is cheap.

Shaw fills a need here that is in demand and he made a profound difference last year.



- Al

Plus, he is always in the right place at the right time...not an accident.

How much value does Shaw really have in the market? An under-sized energy player who does seem to have a knack for being in the right place at the right time - but in only 30 (?) games, what skills has he really shown for the long term? A legit force or a flash-in-the-pan? Not sure he really showed much besides the ability to have pucks go in off of his legs.
- StLBravesFan

Agreed, Shaw was the beneficiary of some favorable bounces but he seems like he's the type of player who will get goals like that because he is willing to go to the front of the net.

I wouldn't trade him...

I think Shaw has a good chance of becoming more than a grinder as long as he can control himself.

He is smart and has good hands...Plays bigger than his size, plus he is cheap.

Shaw fills a need here that is in demand and he made a profound difference last year.



- Al

I agree - I just don't think he has much trade value this summer.

I agree - I just don't think he has much trade value this summer.
- StLBravesFan

Shaw would have some trade value but he's worth more to us on the roster than the draft picks he could bring in a trade. On a roster that lacks toughness and fiestiness it would be absolutely wrong to trade Shaw. He makes just about the league minimum, doesn't have to go through waivers, and has the potential to score 20-25 goals, why on earth would you want to give that up? Amongst the possible forwards to be traded in the summer I think 1-2 of Frolik, Kruger, Stalberg or Bickell could be dealt. I know we have a lot of forwards signed but Bollig (if re-signed) will get a 2 way deal. Hayes and Shaw can be sent to the minors without going through waivers.

If I had to bet on the odd men out if say Stalberg and Bickell. We have plenty of offensive forwards to replace Stalberg and Hayes could replace Bickell. It would be a bit disappointing to see Stalberg go, he has the potential to do more and be a consistent contributor.

If I had to bet on the odd men out if say Stalberg and Bickell. We have plenty of offensive forwards to replace Stalberg and Hayes could replace Bickell.
- DarthKane

Problem there is, on a team lacking size, you'd be getting rid of two of your biggest forwards. Size has to be addressed for sure, especially if you trade those two.

I wouldn't trade him...

I think Shaw has a good chance of becoming more than a grinder as long as he can control himself.

He is smart and has good hands...Plays bigger than his size, plus he is cheap.

Shaw fills a need here that is in demand and he made a profound difference last year.



- Al

What are the odds that Shaw is able to fill that #3C role, and replace Bolland, before Kruger? Shaw's position in Juniors, and where he was drafted, is Center though he plays on the Wing now. I have no idea how he is in the face-off circle.

It would be a bit disappointing to see Stalberg go, he has the potential to do more and be a consistent contributor.
- DarthKane

He would bring you a fairly decent return, giving his increase in production every year. Does he project upward, or is he about topped out? I still think due to his size, contract, and Bowman's love of Swedes, he will stay. IF he goes, it is Q's decision, similar to Brouwer last year. The only way I would agree with trading him his if they get a proven top 6 or top 4 dman in return. This team doesn't need any more picks or prospects right now.

Problem there is, on a team lacking size, you'd be getting rid of two of your biggest forwards. Size has to be addressed for sure, especially if you trade those two.
- hawks2010

I see your point, but I'm just trying to think what Stan will do, not what should be done.

If it were up to me I'd trade Kruger. Unless somebody else gets moved I don't see a place for him on the team.