Well in my books, for the new CBA, you can always dump horcoffs salary in the minors haha, though ryan smyth is a good person to keep around, hes that classic veteran you wanna keep around the team not a guy like horcoff or hemsky.
- Mapleleafs_91

Horcoff still have the ability to be a good 3C, just has to give up the hat of 1C or 2C. I wouldn't suggest EDM to stick him in the AHL. He also has a NMC for the next season. It would be best for him to ask for a trade and EDM takes another semi bad contract back, or send him packing to a cap floor team for a 7th round pick. Hemsky can be traded for prospects or picks, Smyth resigned for no more than $2-2.5M on a one year or two year term. If only all that can happen in the off season.

I over stepped my bounds saying Yzerman is a hockey genius. I'll retort that statement.

In the end we're never gonna agree on Luongo's value so lets just both agree to disagree.

I have a way more perplexing debate going on with UG right now in the leafs forum over him saying bottom six only represents 5 percent of a teams importance that is way more unbelievable.

The luongo debate is tired and old
- Sheppy99

sounds like you have bigger fish to fry...

Thats why i say after they lose, they will go for nash.
- Mapleleafs_91

I agree with you. Im not counting the Rangers out yet. But it def doesnt look good after last game. But making the conference finals year in and year out is a a highly difficult task. Theres no gaurentee the rags can make it this far again next year. It may be too late. But i agree. I do agree with you. Rags will def make a trade offer in the off season.

sounds like you have bigger fish to fry...
- kneughter

my god you have no idea

Apparently there is no difference between lombardi, steckel and crab vs butler, condra and smith

One group is minus 32 this year and the other is plus 23

apparently that is the same if your name is UG

Thats why i say after they lose, they will go for nash.
- Mapleleafs_91

NYR and CBJ renegotiate in the off season...I still think the original deal proposed around can go through...Dubinsky, Erixon, McDonagh or Del Zotto, and 1st round pick.

NYR and CBJ renegotiate in the off season...I still think the original deal proposed around can go through...Dubinsky, Erixon, McDonagh or Del Zotto, and 1st round pick.
- deks1

That is a nice package but if your the Rangers, I just don't understand how you can say that making those kind of sweeping changes when this group just made the semi finals is what is needed. All those players are gonna be one year older and that much better next year and to me would be better than having a Rick Nash.

But I'm not Glen Sather and have a hard on for every massive contract player in the league.........

NYR and CBJ renegotiate in the off season...I still think the original deal proposed around can go through...Dubinsky, Erixon, McDonagh or Del Zotto, and 1st round pick.
- deks1

If it was dubi erixon and DZ and a 1st...Sather should have pulled the trigger. Its redic is he said no to that.

That is a nice package but if your the Rangers, I just don't understand how you can say that making those kind of sweeping changes when this group just made the semi finals is what is needed. All those players are gonna be one year older and that much better next year and to me would be better than having a Rick Nash.

But I'm not Glen Sather and have a hard on for every massive contract player in the league.........
- Sheppy99

Dubi struggled with offensive numbers...
Id rather have mcdonaugh than DZ... plus Sauer can replace DZ.

Dubi struggled with offensive numbers...
Id rather have mcdonaugh than DZ... plus Sauer can replace DZ.
- Dedshark

Maybe but I just have a hard time with taking away that many roster players of a team who just came first in the conference and could still potentially make the finals.... Scary proposition. I don't mind tinkering but to me that is a major change.

Dubi struggled with offensive numbers...
Id rather have mcdonaugh than DZ... plus Sauer can replace DZ.
- Dedshark

I also think Del Zotto goes. Sauer recovers from concussion this off season and comes back. I personally think NYR will be a better team with Nash and w/o Dubinsky, Erixon, Del Zotto, and 1st round pick.

I over stepped my bounds saying Yzerman is a hockey genius. I'll retort that statement.

In the end we're never gonna agree on Luongo's value so lets just both agree to disagree.

I have a way more perplexing debate going on with UG right now in the leafs forum over him saying bottom six only represents 5 percent of a teams importance that is way more unbelievable.

The luongo debate is tired and old
- Sheppy99

Retort? You mean retract

Retort? You mean retract
- Conquest

earlier post you would have read that I am drinking tonight and can't be held responsible for my typos but thanks

Maybe but I just have a hard time with taking away that many roster players of a team who just came first in the conference and could still potentially make the finals.... Scary proposition. I don't mind tinkering but to me that is a major change.
- Sheppy99

Erixon and 1st round pick are future pieces that didn't or haven't made an impact this year, Dubinsky is expendable with the depth NYR has, and Del Zotto...Sauer can maybe step up and take his spot. If NYR looses McDonagh, that is a bigger hole that Del Zotto IMO. Bickel and resign Stralman as 3rd pairing, and maybe call ups from AHL or sign another FA for depth. NYR is fine on the defensive side especially playing the Torts game and Lundqvist standing tall.

And what goalie did Yzerman pick to help lead that team to a gold medal?

Yzerman (hockey genius) picks Lu to be on the team... Holland (another hockey genius) agreed... and Babcock (great coach) decided it was best to pull Brodeur and put Luongo in.

I think its safe to say Yzerman would be very happy to have Lu on his team... and some other great hockey minds believe Lu is a top tier elite goalie in this league.

Should I go with what these smart hockey guys think or what some toronto fan behind a computer who sounds like a whiny female dog? What do you think?

He could trade Malone.. I dont think he is going to let Malone get in the way of acquiring a top 10 goalie in the league. If the Gomez deal has taught us anything.. its that no contract is unmovable.
- kneughter

any of us could have put together a gold medal team. that did not take a rocket scientist although there were some curious guys left off the roster. see recent rocket richard winner.

any of us could have put together a gold medal team. that did not take a rocket scientist although there were some curious guys left off the roster. see recent rocket richard winner.
- therealagent

Yeah, Very curious. Funny that he's now his GM haha.

Good call on leaving off Jeff Carter though (pretty sure he was anyways) I never will like Carter as a big game player until he shows me otherwise.

Yeah, Very curious. Funny that he's now his GM haha.

Good call on leaving off Jeff Carter though (pretty sure he was anyways) I never will like Carter as a big game player until he shows me otherwise.
- Sheppy99

anyway, obviously the canucks need to trade luongo and we want more than we'll get and we don't want salary back. we either get nothing back or a bad contract. i'd prefer nothing if i have to choose one.

he would get you into the playoffs though

Well if columbus trades Nash to Toronto for the 5th we trade our first to Columbus for johansen and the 5th then we try to trade up to take Murray maybe the 5th and gagne to Habs or NYI.

Well if columbus trades Nash to Toronto for the 5th we trade our first to Columbus for johansen and the 5th then we try to trade up to take Murray maybe the 5th and gagne to Habs or NYI.
- OilHead1989

I would stay put at 5th. EDM is in a good situation to trade down instead of trading up. At 5th, EDM can still draft a very good prospect. Schenn, Kulemin, Kadri, & 5th pick to CBJ for Nash? If Burke is so anti-big fat inflated contracts, I doubt Nash is going to TOR, nor Luongo too.

How about everybunny KNOWS Edmonton needs D, and Jackets will take Reinhart with the 2nd overall and hold them up because they can too. Jackets need talent in every position, Yakupov, Reinhart, Murray or Galchenyuk doesnt matter.
- madkenny

nope. they need a STORY!!!

problem is Suter is not interested in big markets. now you can argue Detroit is a big market, but it is easier to disappear in Detroit. The history could add pressure to him in Chicago...which apparently he wants nothing of...just what I am hearing.
- Eklund

not from anyone that has anything to with the decision

I would stay put at 5th. EDM is in a good situation to trade down instead of trading up. At 5th, EDM can still draft a very good prospect. Schenn, Kulemin, Kadri, & 5th pick to CBJ for Nash? If Burke is so anti-big fat inflated contracts, I doubt Nash is going to TOR, nor Luongo too.
- deks1

Are you crazy? Absolutely No Thanks

Can anybody tell me 1 team that makes more sense for Luongo than Toronto????

I really think the Leafs are the only Dance partner for the Canucks to trade Luongo to

Are you crazy? Absolutely No Thanks
- JIMI-JAMES

Got to pay to play, that is extreme to me too, but Howson will ask for the world and the one GM will give in. I don't see TOR getting Nash, I'd say NYR.

Can anybody tell me 1 team that makes more sense for Luongo than Toronto????

I really think the Leafs are the only Dance partner for the Canucks to trade Luongo to
- billyberg10

It just depends on the asking price.

If they are actually requiring serious assets then I say pass.

A team could acquire him that needs to make the cap floor.