I can't understand how people forget how dominant Luongo has been in his tenure with Vancouver. Sure, he did not have as good a season as Quick, and even his best seasons may not have been as good as Quick's, this season, but Lou has been far more consistent than Quick.

Other than this year, Lou has been a top5 (even top3 a couple seasons) goalie in the league since he joined Vancouver, and wasn't too shabby while in Fla, either.

Schneider still had to establish himself behind quite an impressive goalie. I wouldn't say he's had an easier path than Bernier, at all.
- Fosco

I think if your team scored on average one-two goals a game, the canucks would not have made the playoffs.

That's what I was saying. We can't be a one and done team, we need to go on another run next year, but I disagree, I think we are stronger next year. With gagne coming back, and maybe getting parise, the youth grows, and winning becomes a culture now.
- Deadmau55

That's the hope of every team after winning the cup......... few do get better. Most get worse. Anythings possible though and you do have a solid core, that is for sure.

I think if your team scored on average one-two goals a game, the canucks would not have made the playoffs.
- Deadmau55

No offence, but you obviously didn't watch enough Canucks games this season. The entire team underachieved, and didn't even look like a playoff team for a stretch, yet Lou and Schneider stole games during those stretches, and they still won most of these games by a goal.

The goalies were Van's MVPs. No question.

edit: not saying either had a better season or are better GTs than Quick. Your post implied that Schneider had an easier path establishing himself than Bernier, and I'm saying that Schneider had to establish himself behind one of the leagues best goalies, as well.

No offence, but you obviously didn't watch enough Canucks games this season. The entire team underachieved, and didn't even look like a playoff team for a stretch, yet Lou and Schneider stole games during those stretches, and they still won most of these games by a goal.

The goalies were Van's MVPs. No question.
- Fosco

None taken, and no I didn't watch a ton, but there's underachieving and then there is being in the bottom in the league in scoring, having most of your game being 1-0 or 2-1. And I was never knocking lou, I just think if the Canucks were in the kings position, they wouldn't make the playoffs. I think quick is a fair shake above loungo. And you said lou and schneider. Quick did it by himself.

That's the hope of every team after winning the cup......... few do get better. Most get worse. Anythings possible though and you do have a solid core, that is for sure.
- Sheppy99

Gimmie a break...we are new at this winning stuff...

I think it'll likely lead to Toronto making the playoffs if they get him, beyond that, who knows. I'm sort of rooting for it to happen though because the arguments over it will be amazing.
- S Kaspar Rollins

If he gets to Toronto, I guarantee that 2 things will happen...

1) Vancouver fans on this site will go on and on and on and on and on about how Toronto just got a choke-artist goalie and laugh about the ten year contract. They will explain how it is guaranteed that Lou will play all ten years, no matter how bad he is... the same way they guarantee that he won't play past year 7 now.

2) Toronto will regret the trade, within 4 years, probably after year 3. They will be paying for a LONG time for a goalie who won't even be their starter beyond the 3 years.

No offence, but you obviously didn't watch enough Canucks games this season. The entire team underachieved, and didn't even look like a playoff team for a stretch, yet Lou and Schneider stole games during those stretches, and they still won most of these games by a goal.

The goalies were Van's MVPs. No question.

edit: not saying either had a better season or are better GTs than Quick. Your post implied that Schneider had an easier path establishing himself than Bernier, and I'm saying that Schneider had to establish himself behind one of the leagues best goalies, as well.
- Fosco

well schneider is going to be the starter, the number one guy, and bernier is still the backup so yes, schneider has had the easier path. and again, not knocking anyone.

I would say its going to cost the jackets Johansen and the 2nd overall pick for yakopov.The oilers know the jackets want the pick and will auction it off with every other team.Just cause howson was an oilers son doesnt mean he will get any special treatment.

If he gets to Toronto, I guarantee that 2 things will happen...

1) Vancouver fans on this site will go on and on and on and on and on about how Toronto just got a choke-artist goalie and laugh about the ten year contract. They will explain how it is guaranteed that Lou will play all ten years, no matter how bad he is... the same way they guarantee that he won't play past year 7 now.

2) Toronto will regret the trade, within 4 years, probably after year 3. They will be paying for a LONG time for a goalie who won't even be their starter beyond the 3 years.
- GoneFullRetard

If the leafs get lou, they get a better shot at the post season, and if the canucks get schenn, well... they get schenn.

No offence, but you obviously didn't watch enough Canucks games this season. The entire team underachieved, and didn't even look like a playoff team for a stretch, yet Lou and Schneider stole games during those stretches, and they still won most of these games by a goal.

The goalies were Van's MVPs. No question.

edit: not saying either had a better season or are better GTs than Quick. Your post implied that Schneider had an easier path establishing himself than Bernier, and I'm saying that Schneider had to establish himself behind one of the leagues best goalies, as well.
- Fosco

How many nanoseconds do you think it will take for Vancouver fans to trash Luongo and laugh at the sucker team that trades for him after the trade happens.

I am betting single digits.

If the leafs get lou, they get a better shot at the post season, and if the canucks get schenn, well... they get schenn.
- Deadmau55

Not even I believe Burke is that stupid.

... Gillis is hanging out to dry on this one. He isn't getting much value in return for that contract.

Thanks for the tip.
- martok2309

thats what she said?

Not even I believe Burke is that stupid.

... Gillis is hanging out to dry on this one. He isn't getting much value in return for that contract.
- GoneFullRetard

He's still an all star goaltender, and the pressure is on in toronto... it can happen!

well schneider is going to be the starter, the number one guy, and bernier is still the backup so yes, schneider has had the easier path. and again, not knocking anyone.

- Deadmau55

Sorry, but the starting job is the destination, not the path. Just because he is there now, doesn't mean he had an easy route.

I remember seeing many Kings fans over the last couple years (not this season, obviously) unhappy with Quicks performance, who wanted the reigns handed to Bernier, which means he's had opportunities. Like I said, previous to this season Lou was a top5 goalie in the league his entire tenure with Van, and Schneider still managed to shine, even early on.

Both had difficult paths. Bernier's is more difficult now, because Schneider has achieved his goal.

Sorry, but the starting job is the destination, not the path. Just because he is there now, doesn't mean he had an easy route.

I remember seeing many Kings fans over the last couple years (not this season, obviously) unhappy with Quicks performance, who wanted the reigns handed to Bernier, which means he's had opportunities. Like I said, previous to this season Lou was a top5 goalie in the league his entire tenure with Van, and Schneider still managed to shine, even early on.

Both had difficult paths. Bernier's is more difficult now, because Schneider has achieved his goal.
- Fosco

I never said it was easy, I said it was easier. CS has the starting job, and JB does not. I know he did not have an easy route. but he has had an easier route then bernier. Thats all.

He's still an all star goaltender, and the pressure is on in toronto... it can happen!
- Deadmau55

Yes, there is at least a chance Burke is gone if they fail to make the playoffs again.

While I worry that that pressure will cause Burke to panic and make stupid moves like signing a 33 year old with 10 years left ... I am hoping that Burke instead decides to go with his best F-you attitude and does what he thinks is right... regardless of the pressure.

and any pressure or "desparation" people think exists in Toronto is entirely on Burke. The team is fine and the fanbase is loyal, seemingly regardless of how consistently stupid the organization can be for sooooo long.

How many nanoseconds do you think it will take for Vancouver fans to trash Luongo and laugh at the sucker team that trades for him after the trade happens.

I am betting single digits.
- GoneFullRetard

Vancouver fans have always been hard on goalies. Lots of the dislike came from his demeanour, and not his play. He's and easy guy to dislike because he comes off looking cocky.

No question Lou has had some mental issues that have caused heartbreaking collapses (vs chicago), which resulted in him being blamed for the team not winning against Boston (although he had 2 SO's). Some fans couldn't get over it, and they throw a lot of unjust criticism his way.

Other teams fans tend to misconstrue a preference for Schneider as a dislike for Lou. The truth is, there are a lot of fans who still think he's a fantastic goalie, but it's time to move on. Those fans will wish him luck with whatever team he ends up on.

Of course, some fans will do as you suggest, because each fanbase has its fair share of a$$holes, and also, internet message boards tend to bring out the worst in people who are otherwise usually quite civil and nice.

Vancouver fans have always been hard on goalies. Lots of the dislike came from his demeanour, and not his play. He's and easy guy to dislike because he comes off looking cocky.

No question Lou has had some mental issues that have caused heartbreaking collapses (vs chicago), which resulted in him being blamed for the team not winning against Boston (although he had 2 SO's). Some fans couldn't get over it, and they throw a lot of unjust criticism his way.

Other teams fans tend to misconstrue a preference for Schneider as a dislike for Lou. The truth is, there are a lot of fans who still think he's a fantastic goalie, but it's time to move on. Those fans will wish him luck with whatever team he ends up on.

Of course, some fans will do as you suggest, because each fanbase has its fair share of a$$holes, and also, internet message boards tend to bring out the worst in people who are otherwise usually quite civil and nice.
- Fosco

Hahaha touche!

I was really making that statement because for more than a month now, most of the Vancouver fanbase have done their best used used-car salesman impression regarding Luongo.

It will be funny to see those exact same people crowing about how the Canucks dumped Lou on some retarded GM... regardless of the return. I bet they would spin Connolly + Komisarek for Luongo and a huge victory for Vancouver.

Sorry, but the starting job is the destination, not the path. Just because he is there now, doesn't mean he had an easy route.

I remember seeing many Kings fans over the last couple years (not this season, obviously) unhappy with Quicks performance, who wanted the reigns handed to Bernier, which means he's had opportunities. Like I said, previous to this season Lou was a top5 goalie in the league his entire tenure with Van, and Schneider still managed to shine, even early on.

Both had difficult paths. Bernier's is more difficult now, because Schneider has achieved his goal.
- Fosco

... not quite yet he hasn't... He needs Lou gone, or he needs the starting job AND a big contract from some other team.

I believe he will get his chance to prove himself as a clear-cut number 1, but the road hasn't ended until the Luongo thing is resolved.

I never said it was easy, I said it was easier. CS has the starting job, and JB does not. I know he did not have an easy route. but he has had an easier route then bernier. Thats all.
- Deadmau55

Sorry, I totally disagree. When Schneider came into the league, Lou was just as elite and even more high profile than Quick. He had also been elite for longer than Quick, who's stardom is really just beginning. Hence, why I said Bernier's path is more difficult now, as he's going through what Schneider did starting several years ago.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

I never said it was easy, I said it was easier. CS has the starting job, and JB does not. I know he did not have an easy route. but he has had an easier route then bernier. Thats all.
- Deadmau55

Gotta side with Fosco on this one... Schneider started his career behind a goalie who was chosen to start for team Canada !! and was widely regarded as one of the best in the game, AND was firmly entrenched as a starter for one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the league, AND had a lifetime contract with a NMC, AND was the team's captain...

Until this past season, and not even this whole season, Quick was not even fully established as the starter in LA.

Bernier has a tougher roadd *now*, but not all along; not even close.

Seriously... this is like starting your career behind Manning or Brady in around their 7th year. You pray for an injury while you have every chance of watching your first contract period go by without even a chance to prove yourself.

Sorry, I totally disagree. When Schneider came into the league, Lou was just as elite and even more high profile than Quick. He had also been elite for longer than Quick, who's stardom is really just beginning. Hence, why I said Bernier's path is more difficult now, as he's going through what Schneider did starting several years ago.

Agree to disagree, I guess.
- Fosco

Im agreeing with you, you thought what I said was Schneider had an easy path. No he has had an easier path then Bernier. Lou is still elite, still a starter, but hes gone see ya, Schneider still gets the starter job, he more or less out played lou. He beat bernier in the race for the starter CS had a difficult path, but it was easier then Bernier's.

Gotta side with Fosco on this one... Schneider started his career behind a goalie who was chosen to start for team Canada !! and was widely regarded as one of the best in the game, AND was firmly entrenched as a starter for one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the league, AND had a lifetime contract with a NMC, AND was the team's captain...

Until this past season, and not even this whole season, Quick was not even fully established as the starter in LA.

Bernier has a tougher roadd *now*, but not all along; not even close.

Seriously... this is like starting your career behind Manning or Brady in around their 7th year. You pray for an injury while you have every chance of watching your first contract period go by without even a chance to prove yourself.
- GoneFullRetard

You talk about lou like hes not still elite? CS outplayed lou, otherwise trade talks wouldn't even be a forefront. JB never outplayed quick, he has had his chances, and didn't take them. CS took the bull by the horns so to speak. He stole the starter job from lou. He played better then bernier, he crossed the finish line before bernier. If you thinking that lou isn't still elite then i can see your argument, and I understand where you are coming from, but schneider played better then a still elite goalie.

Im agreeing with you, you thought what I said was Schneider had an easy path. No he has had an easier path then Bernier. Lou is still elite, still a starter, but hes gone see ya, Schneider still gets the starter job, he more or less out played lou. He beat bernier in the race for the starter CS had a difficult path, but it was easier then Bernier's.
- Deadmau55

How was Schneider's path easier than Bernier's?

Sorry but I am not seeing your point at all. I can't explain why I disagree any better than I already did.

Why do you think Bernier had the tougher path?

None taken, and no I didn't watch a ton, but there's underachieving and then there is being in the bottom in the league in scoring, having most of your game being 1-0 or 2-1. And I was never knocking lou, I just think if the Canucks were in the kings position, they wouldn't make the playoffs. I think quick is a fair shake above loungo. And you said lou and schneider. Quick did it by himself.
- Deadmau55

LA were picked by the hockey insiders to win this year. They woke up in the playoffs and are now doing what was expected of them.

Canucks are a very good regular season team

That is why you are still playing and we have joined the Leafs golfing.