Can you show me the actual amount of penalties/PP opportunities? PIM means nothing,
- Bedlam

First, I can tell you at a glance your numbers are wrong. Neither STL or LA had that many PP opportunities in game 2. Perhaps your numbers just represent minor penalties called?

More importantly, PIM is a much more important stat than power play opportunities, when your talking about if officials are biased. PIM directly shows what the officials are deciding. For instance, if LA boards someone and gets a 2 minute penalty, while the other team boards someone and gets a major and a GM losing the player, PIM's shows the difference, while PP opportunity shows 1 for each team.

Anyways, I'm done trying to point out the clear inconsistencies to people who want to believe NHL officiating and discipline is fair. Hope you still think that when your team is on the receiving end.

First, I can tell you at a glance your numbers are wrong. Neither STL or LA had that many PP opportunities in game 2. Perhaps your numbers just represent minor penalties called?

More importantly, PIM is a much more important stat than power play opportunities, when your talking about if officials are biased. PIM directly shows what the officials are deciding. For instance, if LA boards someone and gets a 2 minute penalty, while the other team boards someone and gets a major and a GM losing the player, PIM's shows the difference, while PP opportunity shows 1 for each team.

Anyways, I'm done trying to point out the clear inconsistencies to people who want to believe NHL officiating and discipline is fair. Hope you still think that when your team is on the receiving end.
- Antilles

Maybe if you female dog and moan and ignore facts a little more the Blues can replace the Kings in the SCF

Anyways, I'm done trying to point out the clear inconsistencies to people who want to believe NHL officiating and discipline is fair. Hope you still think that when your team is on the receiving end.
- Antilles

Ummmm... disagreeing with you that officiating is lopsided in the Kings favor and disagreeing that officiating in the NHL in general is bad are two entirely different things.

Bitter Blews fan is bitter.

First, I can tell you at a glance your numbers are wrong. Neither STL or LA had that many PP opportunities in game 2. Perhaps your numbers just represent minor penalties called?
- Antilles

I only counted infractions/penalties that were called that could result in a power play opportunity (inlcuding coincidental penalties) since power plays can affect the game where as a 10 minute misconduct and fighting majors do nothing for a power play.

There were definitely that many penalties called in game 2. (see below)

Im just trying to point out that the officials made about the same amount of calls on both teams, there is no conspiracy that LA is getting more calls than the other teams. And as far as non calls go that goes both ways.

And dont worry ive seen my team be on the receiving end of bad calls or non calls for 25 years now. The teams that are able to overcome those bad calls/non calls are the ones that make it to the end.

Game 2


01:38 STL Scott Nichol : Hi-sticking - 2 min (1)
04:41 STL B.J. Crombeen : Fighting (maj) - 5 min
04:41 LAK Dwight King : Fighting (maj) - 5 min
07:09 STL Kevin Shattenkirk : Roughing - 2 min (2)
08:25 LAK Jarret Stoll : Holding - 2 min (1)
11:16 LAK Willie Mitchell : Boarding - 2 min (2)
13:31 LAK Dustin Penner : Too many men/ice - bench - 2 min (3)

LA PP - 2, STL PP - 3

2nd Period
04:42 STL Barret Jackman : Roughing - 2 min (3)
04:42 STL Andy McDonald : Roughing - 2 min (4)
04:42 LAK Justin Williams : Roughing - 2 min (4)
11:29 LAK Justin Williams : Cross checking - 2 min (5)
12:17 STL Carlo Colaiacovo : Roughing - 2 min (5)
12:17 LAK Dustin Brown : Charging - 2 min (6)
13:53 LAK Dustin Penner : Roughing - 2 min (7)
18:02 STL Barret Jackman : Roughing - 2 min (6)

LA PP - 4, STL PP - 4

3rd Period
01:35 STL Alexander Steen : Interference - 2 min (7)
07:36 STL T.J. Oshie : Roughing - 2 min (8)
07:36 STL David Perron : Roughing - 2 min (9)
07:36 LAK Mike Richards : Roughing - 2 min (8)
07:36 LAK Mike Richards : Roughing - 2 min (9)
07:36 LAK Dustin Penner : Roughing - 2 min (10)
09:14 STL Patrik Berglund served by B.J. Crombeen : Roughing - 2 min (10)
09:14 LAK Dustin Brown : Roughing - 2 min (11)
09:14 STL Patrik Berglund : Roughing - 2 min (11)
12:19 LAK Jordan Nolan served by Justin Williams : Hi-sticking - 2 min (12)
12:19 LAK Jordan Nolan : Misconduct (10 min) - 0 min
12:19 STL David Backes : Misconduct (10 min) - 0 min
14:13 LAK Matt Greene : Interference - 2 min (13)
14:38 LAK Mike Richards : Hooking - 2 min (14)
17:30 LAK Dustin Brown : Misconduct (10 min) - 0 min
17:30 STL Carlo Colaiacovo : Misconduct (10 min) - 0 min
18:25 STL B.J. Crombeen : Misconduct (10 min) - 0 min

LA PP - 5, STL - 7

Total opportunities for game = LA - 11, STL - 14
Just for the sake of it LA PIM = 53, STL PIM = 57

the 10 straight road win record includes 2 from last year
- predswilrule

Oh. I apologize. I heard 10 and remembered that. Sorry.

The Coyotes can whine all they want about the officiating, but the reality is, they were down 3-0 before they even started to play with the same intensity as LA.

Too little, too late.

Because they are league owned they DO NOT get a free pass in regards to favorable calls. If anything, it goes the other way just so the NHL can avoid the "conspiracy theory" about the team.

Unfortunately, the post game crap has detracted from what was a terrific run by the team. And quite frankly, I'm embarrassed by it.

The Coyotes can whine all they want about the officiating, but the reality is, they were down 3-0 before they even started to play with the same intensity as LA.

Too little, too late.

Because they are league owned they DO NOT get a free pass in regards to favorable calls. If anything, it goes the other way just so the NHL can avoid the "conspiracy theory" about the team.

Unfortunately, the post game crap has detracted from what was a terrific run by the team. And quite frankly, I'm embarrassed by it.
- Desert_Dog

Good post

And while I don't condone how Doan acted in the handshake line, I would point out that the Brown hit (which I feel was clean) happened immediately prior to the GWG ... about 1 minute of play maybe. Had it happened 10 minutes prior or had the game gone into double OT and the Kings score, Doan may have had a few minutes to cool down. As it was, the anger was extremely fresh.

Again, totally against the sportsmanship the handshakes are; but would say it was a factor.

I only counted infractions/penalties that were called that could result in a power play opportunity (inlcuding coincidental penalties) since power plays can affect the game where as a 10 minute misconduct and fighting majors do nothing for a power play.
- Bedlam

When most people say "power play opportunities" they mean the number of opportunities a team had to score on the power play, not the number of chances they theoretically had to be on the power play. Coincidental minors don't result in power play opportunities, going by the definition I've generally seen used. That was what led to me calling your numbers wrong, but I guess we just define "power play opportunities" differently.

Im just trying to point out that the officials made about the same amount of calls on both teams, there is no conspiracy that LA is getting more calls than the other teams. And as far as non calls go that goes both ways.
- Bedlam

Once again, saying the officials are biased towards LA does not mean the same thing as there is a conspiracy. One is deliberate, the other is not.

While I disagree with your opinion that PIM's mean less about how a game is being called than power play opportunities do, if you want to look at power play time, LA has spent over a half hour longer on the power play than on the penalty kill through just 14 games. For a team going deep in the playoffs, that's the greatest average difference per game in the last decade. Probably longer, that's just as far as I checked. LA also has the most 5 on 3 power play time of any team in the playoffs. So... no. The calls aren't even. LA spends far longer on the power play than on the penalty kill. The difference is twice that of the next team.

When most people say "power play opportunities" they mean the number of opportunities a team had to score on the power play, not the number of chances they theoretically had to be on the power play. Coincidental minors don't result in power play opportunities, going by the definition I've generally seen used. That was what led to me calling your numbers wrong, but I guess we just define "power play opportunities" differently.

Once again, saying the officials are biased towards LA does not mean the same thing as there is a conspiracy. One is deliberate, the other is not.

While I disagree with your opinion that PIM's mean less about how a game is being called than power play opportunities do, if you want to look at power play time, LA has spent over a half hour longer on the power play than on the penalty kill through just 14 games. For a team going deep in the playoffs, that's the greatest average difference per game in the last decade. Probably longer, that's just as far as I checked. LA also has the most 5 on 3 power play time of any team in the playoffs. So... no. The calls aren't even. LA spends far longer on the power play than on the penalty kill. The difference is twice that of the next team.
- Antilles

You seem to have an aversion to facts.

Power play opportunities are the number of times a team can score a power play goal when talking about minor penalties--it has nothing to do with scoring chances. It has to do with any time on the clock with a man advantage. If there is a two-man advantage, there are two power play opportunities. If there is a major penalty and a goal or more is scored, the number of power play opportunities is equal to the number of goals scored during the major penalty PLUS one, unless there is a penalty called against the scoring team after the goal but before the next face-off which negates their advantage for the remainder of the major penalty. There aren't alternative definitions to power play opportunities.

In the playoffs LA has had an average of 5.3 PP opportunities per game, compared to 4.8 for Pittsburgh, 4.6 for Detroit, 4.2 for Vancouver, 4.1 for Nashville, or 3.9 for STL. That's really not that big of a discrepancy, especially considering the fact that LA played 2 of the most-penalized teams (regular season) in the league (STL was number 4 and Vancouver was number 6 for PIMs, 4 & 8 for number of minor penalties called against, 11 & 8 for short-handed opportunities, 6 & 11 for majors called against, 2 & 5 for game misconducts against, and 3 & 6 for total penalties called against, while LA was 6th in regular season PP opportunities).

Saying the officials are biased for LA or against STL is ridiculous. STL was undisciplined all year (relative to the rest of the NHL), and they were undisciplined in the series against LA. LA has spent roughly 2 minutes more per game on the power play than their opponents in the post season. That in no way suggests bias--most reasonable fans would conclude that they have outplayed their opponents and made them frustrated which resulted in some undisciplined penalties.

LA has had 3:28 in 5 on 3 time in 14 games this postseason, just under 15 seconds per game played. STL had 2:05 in 5 on 3 time in 9 games, just under 14 seconds per game. So your big bias/conspiracy theory about 5 on 3 time doesn't compute when you consider the number of games played. In fact LA and STL both had 4 opportunities at 5 on 3 so it's more "obvious" that the officiating was "biased" towards STL since they had 4 opportunities in 9 games as opposed to 14 games like LA.

The Kings do NOT have the greatest average difference in PP and PK time in the playoffs in the last 3-4 years, let alone 10. They averaged 2:12 of more PP time than PK so far. In 2010, San Jose had 37:50 minutes more of PP time than PK time in 15 games (an average of 2:31 more per game). In 2008, San Jose had 29:56 more in 13 games (an average of 2:30 more per game). I stopped looking after finding two in the previous 4 years. I guess your decade of research didn't include those facts...

So...yes. The calls are even enough. There is no bias...just some mathematically challenged fans.