There are 3 options for Luongo - SJ, Tbay, Tor

Canucks will not get a high 1st round pick for Luongo
Canucks will not get a top prospect or roster player with remotely any upside.

Luongo deal will consist of a low 1st or 2nd, a roster player with a sh!tty contract and maybe some kid that might become something in 3-5 years.
- Mr_Smokey

Thanks for completely establishing the market for Luongo. I guess we can put the whole dissucussion to rest now.

Thanks for completely establishing the market for Luongo. I guess we can put the whole dissucussion to rest now.
- fiveandagame

he's right.

vancouver destroyed the market for luongo when they signed him into a retirement home. they had to know going into that contract that if his play hit the decline, they we're destroying his value with that kind of term.

return for schneider would be great. trade luongo, and you're paying another team to be buried with that contract.

Thanks for completely establishing the market for Luongo. I guess we can put the whole dissucussion to rest now.
- fiveandagame

IT should have been weeks ago.

he's right.

vancouver destroyed the market for luongo when they signed him into a retirement home. they had to know going into that contract that if his play hit the decline, they we're destroying his value with that kind of term.

return for schneider would be great. trade luongo, and you're paying another team to be buried with that contract.
- joel878

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.
- fiveandagame

sure...

are there really vancouver fans who think they're going to get a garbage truck full of diamonds for luongo?

you guys honestly think the other 29 gm's are totally in the dark as to vancouver trading lou from a position of weakness?

In order to max out the return for Luongo, I think that he needs to be included in some sort of multi-player package.

If Luongo is dealt on this own, I don't think Vancouver does quite as well.

sure...

are there really vancouver fans who think they're going to get a garbage truck full of diamonds for luongo?

you guys honestly think the other 29 gm's are totally in the dark as to vancouver trading lou from a position of weakness?
- joel878

I'm not expecting a truck full of diamonds, but I think Gillis will get more than a salary dump and mid round pick. For as bad as his contract is, there are teams that could accommodate it and desperately need a proven goalie. I think Gillis might take a salary back to make it work, but I also think there will be some value in the package beyond a salary dump.

In order to max out the return for Luongo, I think that he needs to be included in some sort of multi-player package.

If Luongo is dealt on this own, I don't think Vancouver does quite as well.
- As_I_See_It

Please take Raymond, please.

For everyone that is saying Burke will not pay for a proven goaltender, just look at his resume. I know he won a cup in Anaheim and Gigiure (sp?) played great, but look at pretty much every team Burke has iced as a GM and you will find a common denominator: Bad goaltending. This is also the same guy that preaches that his philosophy is building form the net out.

I’m not saying that Luongo is Burkes only option but you would have to think that his #1 priority is to get a goalie that gives them a chance to win games and at the end of the day it might cost more then Komi and 4th.
- fiveandagame

You're a little off. Burke not only had Giguere, but also had Bryz and Hiller in Anaheim. 3 solid goalies in one system.

In Van, he actually had a deal with Milbury on the Isle to obtain Snow to backup Cloutier, but the deal was nixed by Wang. The deal was confirmed and Burke never obtained a backup plan because he had Milbury's word that it was a done deal. This is what caused the goalie problems in Vancouver.

In Toronto, he's had Toskala, Giguere, Gerber, Clemmenson, Gusty, Reimer, Scrivens, Rynnas, Owuya, and Sparks. He even brought in Allaire in hopes to train a goalie, but it hasn't worked... yet.

Reimer has had flashes of being a starting goalie, only to get run by Gionta of the habs. After suffering "concussion like symptoms" his timing never really returned. Look what happened to Ryan Miller this year. Same thing. Reimer is a decent prospect that could potentially rebound this year if he can regain his timing.

Gusty was the best goalie outside the NHL. Only problem, he can't play Allaire's system and declined significantly after trying to adapt to it.

Scrivens is an Allaire type goalie and it's showing in the AHL playoffs. So far in these playoffs, he has a 1.66 GAA and a .942 save percentage. He also had a 2.04 GAA and .926 SAV% during the regular season to be number 1 in the AHL.

I'd say that Burke knows what he's doing

I'm not expecting a truck full of diamonds, but I think Gillis will get more than a salary dump and mid round pick. For as bad as his contract is, there are teams that could accommodate it and desperately need a proven goalie. I think Gillis might take a salary back to make it work, but I also think there will be some value in the package beyond a salary dump.
- fiveandagame

if it was from the leafs, i see the 2nd rounder, and a decent prospect being included with the salary dump. it's a high second rounder, and a prospect like blacker as well. throwing someone else with some decent value with luongo makes the inclusion of guys like schenn more appealing for teams.

schneider on the other hand gets the 2nd, schenn, macarthur, d'amigo type deal. his one downside is the unproven aspect, which keeps a guy like gardiner out of the conversation, and makes for a quantity over quality type package.

jake gardiner is a non starter for either.

You're a little off. Burke not only had Giguere, but also had Bryz and Hiller in Anaheim. 3 solid goalies in one system.

In Van, he actually had a deal with Milbury on the Isle to obtain Snow to backup Cloutier, but the deal was nixed by Wang. The deal was confirmed and Burke never obtained a backup plan because he had Milbury's word that it was a done deal. This is what caused the goalie problems in Vancouver.

In Toronto, he's had Toskala, Giguere, Gerber, Clemmenson, Gusty, Reimer, Scrivens, Rynnas, Owuya, and Sparks. He even brought in Allaire in hopes to train a goalie, but it hasn't worked... yet.

Reimer has had flashes of being a starting goalie, only to get run by Gionta of the habs. After suffering "concussion like symptoms" his timing never really returned. Look what happened to Ryan Miller this year. Same thing. Reimer is a decent prospect that could potentially rebound this year if he can regain his timing.

Gusty was the best goalie outside the NHL. Only problem, he can't play Allaire's system and declined significantly after trying to adapt to it.

Scrivens is an Allaire type goalie and it's showing in the AHL playoffs. So far in these playoffs, he has a 1.66 GAA and a .942 save percentage. He also had a 2.04 GAA and .926 SAV% during the regular season to be number 1 in the AHL.

I'd say that Burke knows what he's doing
- ILoveLamp

Really?

Look at the revolving door of goaltenders you just listed that have played for the Leafs since Burke took over. It looks exactly like the second tier list that Burke had while in Vancouver.

Thanks for completely establishing the market for Luongo. I guess we can put the whole dissucussion to rest now.
- fiveandagame

Not yet it's too much fun..

I just don't see a line up of teams for Luongo. Once you subtract the teams he won't play for, the teams that already have a starter equal to or better than him, the teams without the space, the teams that can't afford him or are close to going t!ts up there are not a whole lot of trading partners.

I'm not suggesting the Leafs can get him for some foolish thing like a 2nd and Komisarek....... but as another poster mentioned it's probably quantity over quality.

I never quite understood Vancouver's hate for Burke.

He pulled off a miracle to be able to draft the Sedins. That should go down in history as one of the most magnificent GM moves of a draft EVER. It was extremely complex.

On top of that, he drafted Kesler.
He also added Jovanovski, Morrison, and Linden.

He took a team that was a bubble team and built a foundation that became their core for years to come. I'd say that he did an alright job there.
He was missing a few key pieces to take them over the top, but hey, you're still missing a few key pieces.

I never quite understood Vancouver's hate for Burke.

He pulled off a miracle to be able to draft the Sedins. That should go down in history as one of the most magnificent GM moves of a draft EVER. It was extremely complex.

On top of that, he drafted Kesler.
He also added Jovanovski, Morrison, and Linden.

He took a team that was a bubble team and built a foundation that became their core for years to come. I'd say that he did an alright job there.
He was missing a few key pieces to take them over the top, but hey, you're still missing a few key pieces.
- ILoveLamp

I don't hate him. I jsut think he is overated and loud. I did love him when he was in Vancouver though. Very entertaining.

I don't hate him. I jsut think he is overated and loud. I did love him when he was in Vancouver though. Very entertaining.
- fiveandagame

i'm officially tired of his act in toronto. he needs to shut his mouth when it comes to the media, and worry about doing his job.

he certainly has a share in the state of things now. his judgement has failed the team, with everything from wilson, to the goalies, to captain phaneuf, to kessel.

should be an interesting summer with him, but hopefully his experience keeps him saddled, and he doesn't feel the need to sell the entire futures group for quick fixes.

Not yet it's too much fun..

I just don't see a line up of teams for Luongo. Once you subtract the teams he won't play for, the teams that already have a starter equal to or better than him, the teams without the space, the teams that can't afford him or are close to going t!ts up there are not a whole lot of trading partners.

I'm not suggesting the Leafs can get him for some foolish thing like a 2nd and Komisarek....... but as another poster mentioned it's probably quantity over quality.
- Mr_Smokey

Good points and you can also add:
- That Vancouver is unlikely to trade Luongo in the West
- Even more unlikely that Luongo would be traded within the NW division
- Are there GM's that Gillis won't trade with?
- Are there GM's that won't trade with Gillis?
- ALL GM's are likely hesitant in taking on Luongo's contract given the uncertainty of what the new CBA might look like
- Does the timing of trading for Luongo make sense for certain teams?
- Teams looking for a short term solution aren't interested
- Luongo isn't the only goalie option available this summer

Combine all of these factors and Vancouver's trading partners appear to be VERY LIMITED. All the GM's around the league know this and much more than what is being discussed here off the top of our heads which is why the return on Luongo will be lower than expected.

You're a little off. Burke not only had Giguere, but also had Bryz and Hiller in Anaheim. 3 solid goalies in one system.

In Van, he actually had a deal with Milbury on the Isle to obtain Snow to backup Cloutier, but the deal was nixed by Wang. The deal was confirmed and Burke never obtained a backup plan because he had Milbury's word that it was a done deal. This is what caused the goalie problems in Vancouver.

In Toronto, he's had Toskala, Giguere, Gerber, Clemmenson, Gusty, Reimer, Scrivens, Rynnas, Owuya, and Sparks. He even brought in Allaire in hopes to train a goalie, but it hasn't worked... yet.

Reimer has had flashes of being a starting goalie, only to get run by Gionta of the habs. After suffering "concussion like symptoms" his timing never really returned. Look what happened to Ryan Miller this year. Same thing. Reimer is a decent prospect that could potentially rebound this year if he can regain his timing.

Gusty was the best goalie outside the NHL. Only problem, he can't play Allaire's system and declined significantly after trying to adapt to it.

Scrivens is an Allaire type goalie and it's showing in the AHL playoffs. So far in these playoffs, he has a 1.66 GAA and a .942 save percentage. He also had a 2.04 GAA and .926 SAV% during the regular season to be number 1 in the AHL.

I'd say that Burke knows what he's doing
- ILoveLamp

Who the hell is Sparks ?

no need whatsoever for luongo.....nash...or any other veteran with a bloated contract for that matter.
let the bad contracts run out this season ( Connolly,Lombardi, Armstrong), buy out Komisarek and start fresh in 2013-2014 with a ton of cap room and another lottery pick.
A mediocre, veteran goalie with a brutal contract is exactly the type of nonsense the leafs do not need.

no need whatsoever for luongo.....nash...or any other veteran with a bloated contract for that matter.
let the bad contracts run out this season ( Connolly,Lombardi, Armstrong), buy out Komisarek and start fresh in 2013-2014 with a ton of cap room and another lottery pick.
A mediocre, veteran goalie with a brutal contract is exactly the type of nonsense the leafs do not need.

Who the hell is Sparks ?
- Crispo98

Garret Sparks. He was a 7th round pick in 2011.
Played his rookie year in Guelph this year, and should continue to be developed. Most likely a 5 year project, if anything at all. Probably won't pan out to be much, but he's a G prospect and you never know what happens as they mature.

Our G depth in my opinion goes:

Scrivens
Owuya
Rynnas
Sparks

I say Owuya before Rynnas, because he was awesome when called up to the Marlies

Gardiner, Komi and the Leafs 1st rounder for Luongo?
- Symba007

No on the 1st pick & no on Gardiner. That would be a HUGE HUGE mistake for the Leafs. If the Leafs do this deal, I'm done as a Leaf fan.

Just give them Gunnarsson and Macarthur
- ejeezy

Yeah that's probably what I would give up for Luongo if I'm Burke, I wouldn't give up anything more for Lu. Oh yeah Leafs need to send bad salary the other way so yes add Komi in this deal.