Why?

Seriously, why?

They don't have a rapidly closing window on a shot at their first overall cup. The ownership is among the richest in the league and the Leafs just keep adding to it.
- GoneFullRetard

So your saying the Leafs are happy filling their owners pockets and a cup/playoffs/winning is secondary.........wow, just wow!!

Well mission accomplished, you must be very happy as a fan as well!! Hope that keeps working out for you

Thats what im trying to say. The canucks know the leafs are in a spot where if they don't make the playoffs, people will lose jobs and things will get out of hand etc. The leafs need lou, But they need the playoffs more. The leafs are desperate, and i think you guys will exploit that. The leafs will over pay.
- Deadmau55

tsk, tsk , tsk...

Yes, the Leafs need to get back into the post-season, but Burke isn't going to blow-up everything just to squeak into the playoffs. He tried "the quick fix" route when he arrived and it didn't work. Also, with the firing of Wilson and hiring of Carlyle, Burke has bought himself some time. New ownership takes over this summer and they will also need time to evaluate the situation before any major moves are made, i.e. Fire Burke.

The bottom line is that Carlyle is on a 3 year deal and I suspect that Burke has AT LEAST 2 years before any discussion of firing him starts. Burke will be gone before Carlyle if things continue as they are.

You also need to remember that money is not an issue for the Maple Leafs.

All this said, this supposed "desperation" that every other fan base speaks of about the Leafs is bullsh!t!!!

tsk, tsk , tsk...

Yes, the Leafs need to get back into the post-season, but Burke isn't going to blow-up everything just to squeak into the playoffs. He tried "the quick fix" route when he arrived and it didn't work. Also, with the firing of Wilson and hiring of Carlyle, Burke has bought himself some time. New ownership takes over this summer and they will also need time to evaluate the situation before any major moves are made, i.e. Fire Burke.

The bottom line is that Carlyle is on a 3 year deal and I suspect that Burke has AT LEAST 2 years before any discussion of firing him starts. Burke will be gone before Carlyle if things continue as they are.

You also need to remember that money is not an issue for the Maple Leafs.

All this said, this supposed "desperation" that every other fan base speaks of about the Leafs is bullsh!t!!!
- As_I_See_It

Was never a knock against you or the leafs. You don't think I know what a damn rebuild is? I just firmly believe its playoffs or bust this year. I may be wrong, but your team showed its true colors this year, and that goes a long way.

tsk, tsk , tsk...

Yes, the Leafs need to get back into the post-season, but Burke isn't going to blow-up everything just to squeak into the playoffs. He tried "the quick fix" route when he arrived and it didn't work. Also, with the firing of Wilson and hiring of Carlyle, Burke has bought himself some time. New ownership takes over this summer and they will also need time to evaluate the situation before any major moves are made, i.e. Fire Burke.

The bottom line is that Carlyle is on a 3 year deal and I suspect that Burke has AT LEAST 2 years before any discussion of firing him starts. Burke will be gone before Carlyle if things continue as they are.

You also need to remember that money is not an issue for the Maple Leafs.

All this said, this supposed "desperation" that every other fan base speaks of about the Leafs is bullsh!t!!!
- As_I_See_It

They can't miss the playoffs again and the only way they make it is by upgrading their goaltending as a priority. Luongo gets you into the playoffs. It's as simple as that. When you have a good tender, the rest of the team plays better. Lu always plays better on a big stage (insert jeers but more often than not he shows up in big games and loves HNIC and in T.O. that means every week).

Harding, Bernier, etc., get you nowhere. Lu gets you in then anything is possible. Look at this year. The east is much weaker than the west so expect his numbers to be much better based on lesser competition and less travel.

I just think Vancouver fans better saddle up for getting next to nothing of value for Luongo. You're running a guy out of town that has 10 years left on his contract, and the rest of the NHL knows it.

Schneider will never be traded, either - so that's a bogus argument.

No way teams like the Leafs and Tampa are in a pressure situation to make a deal, its Vancouver who has a problem that they need to fix.

Fitting actually considering Vancouver gave up garbage to get Luongo.

They can't miss the playoffs again and the only way they make it is by upgrading their goaltending as a priority. Luongo gets you into the playoffs. It's as simple as that. When you have a good tender, the rest of the team plays better. Lu always plays better on a big stage (insert jeers but more often than not he shows up in big games and loves HNIC and in T.O. that means every week).

Harding, Bernier, etc., get you nowhere. Lu gets you in then anything is possible. Look at this year. The east is much weaker than the west so expect his numbers to be much better based on lesser competition and less travel.
- therealagent

Yeah, his game 7 streak is (frank)ing legendary.

I just think Vancouver fans better saddle up for getting next to nothing of value for Luongo. You're running a guy out of town that has 10 years left on his contract, and the rest of the NHL knows it.

Schneider will never be traded, either - so that's a bogus argument.

No way teams like the Leafs and Tampa are in a pressure situation to make a deal, its Vancouver who has a problem that they need to fix.
- ejeezy

you're quite wrong. the majority of big contract cash years are paid and his cap hit is very manageable. he pays for himself and the bounty will be much higher than people expect. the difference is that of the "bad" contracts out there he's one of the best players on one of those deals. that's the difference. some deals are untradeable. his isn't.

you're quite wrong. the majority of big contract cash years are paid and his cap hit is very manageable. he pays for himself and the bounty will be much higher than people expect. the difference is that of the "bad" contracts out there he's one of the best players on one of those deals. that's the difference. some deals are untradeable. his isn't.
- therealagent

Lol

Lol
- ejeezy

let's see what you say when he moves to T.O. and you change your avatar to his face.

Leafs have to make the playoffs, because I dont even think ive seen a leafs playoff game, and Ive watched hockey for a long time. Your team had it this year, and then they flew off the rails and everything went to poop. Your team can make the playoffs, and don't gimme that poop that lower seeded team wont go far in the playoffs. I know what im talking about as far as that goes.... If you were a team in florida i could see your argument.
- Deadmau55

L.A. underachieved all season long and scraped into the playoffs thanks to a terrific couple months with Sutter at the helm. Looking at their roster NOBODY would have thought that they were an 8th seed in the West with:
- A Vezina nominee
- A Norris nominee last season
- A Deep top 6
- A solid bottom 6
- Size
- Grit
- Some speed
- Character
- Role players
- Well coached
The Kings are built for the playoffs!

As for the Leafs making the playoffs, that 2 month skid was an anomaly. If the Leafs play JUST .500 hockey from their game versus Edmonton in early February the Leafs are in the playoffs.

The Leafs aren't that far off from the playoffs. Hopefully Carlyle's defensive style will help with the 5-on-5 and PK, which will also help the goalies. A veteran goalie will be acquired, hopefully they can draft Grigorenko or Galchenyuk as a future #1C, hopefully pick up a couple decent players this summer via free agency and that the prospects who are a year further into their development have improved.

On a side note, the Marlies are 1 win away from going to the Calder Cup. McKegg and the Knights are also looking good at the Memorial Cup. It's not a huge deal, but it certainly can't hurt their development either.

L.A. underachieved all season long and scraped into the playoffs thanks to a terrific couple months with Sutter at the helm. Looking at their roster NOBODY would have thought that they were an 8th seed in the West with:
- A Vezina nominee
- A Norris nominee last season
- A Deep top 6
- A solid bottom 6
- Size
- Grit
- Some speed
- Character
- Role players
- Well coached
The Kings are built for the playoffs!


- As_I_See_It

Quick good yes.
Doughty good yes but lazy and out of shape. Should be the best dman in the league.
A deep top 6 that can't score isn't a deep top 6.
A solid bottom 6 that was criticized all year. they lost simmonds, smyth, etc., and lost a lot of depth.
Size yes.
Some speed yes.
Character yes
Role players yes (but almost too many).
Well coached. People say yes now but at the time the worst decision of year based on most peoples comments. Sutter has a shelf life and they're lucky he got their attention now. He'll be gone in a couple years max but if they win nobody will care.

let's see what you say when he moves to T.O. and you change your avatar to his face.
- therealagent

... Raising a cup over his head!

Quick good yes.
Doughty good yes but lazy and out of shape. Should be the best dman in the league.
A deep top 6 that can't score isn't a deep top 6.A solid bottom 6 that was criticized all year. they lost simmonds, smyth, etc., and lost a lot of depth.
Size yes.
Some speed yes.
Character yes
Role players yes (but almost too many).
Well coached. People say yes now but at the time the worst decision of year based on most peoples comments. Sutter has a shelf life and they're lucky he got their attention now. He'll be gone in a couple years max but if they win nobody will care.
- therealagent

There are at least 25 teams (and their fan bases) around the league that would love to have the Kings' top 6. Again, they underachieved.

The Kings have DOMINATED the top 3 seeds in the playoffs this year. Not 1 of their series have been close! Vancouver, St. Louis and Phoenix all play different styles and the Kings have demoed them all! Seriously, who was the last playoff team that has been this dominate in a playoff run going 12-2 and are now resting?

There are at least 25 teams (and their fan bases) around the league that would love to have the Kings' top 6. Again, they underachieved.

The Kings have DOMINATED the top 3 seeds in the playoffs this year. Not 1 of their series have been close! Vancouver, St. Louis and Phoenix all play different styles and the Kings have demoed them all! Seriously, who was the last playoff team that has been this dominate in a playoff run going 12-2 and are now resting?
- As_I_See_It

i'm not arguing. they are the clear favorite to win the cup. i hope they do win. despite the fact they beat us they're not team you can really hate. maybe it's just a round one thing.

There are at least 25 teams (and their fan bases) around the league that would love to have the Kings' top 6. Again, they underachieved.

The Kings have DOMINATED the top 3 seeds in the playoffs this year. Not 1 of their series have been close! Vancouver, St. Louis and Phoenix all play different styles and the Kings have demoed them all! Seriously, who was the last playoff team that has been this dominate in a playoff run going 12-2 and are now resting?
- As_I_See_It

Oilers in 1988, won the Cup with a 16-2 record I believe?

It all starts, for the Kings and anyone else, with a good one/two combo at center. Either that or you have to have a great goaltender and very strong defensive systems. Kings just happen to have one of the best goaltenders as well!

Yes he was calm, but he has never had the workload of a starter as far as im aware.
- Deadmau55

or the pressure

Look at what LA is doing. Part of it was that they are a very good team, the other is that they harnessed lightning in a bottle, and everything went their way. The Canucks still won 1 of only 2 games the Kings have lost in the playoffs, and were missing they're top offensive weapon for 3 of the 5 games.

No, a few of those teams aren't going anywhere—although I would call a couple flashes-in-the-pan, and I would put the Canucks ahead of a couple. The point is, with the proper tweaks, the Canucks still be among those teams for several years.
- Fosco

I think we only differ on the "several years" part...

If I was a Canucks fan, I would see the window closing in perfect time to the Sedins aging.

They have a couple more years at the elite level...

You are dead on about lightning ina bottle... that is the problem. If you don't catch it and get the right breaks at the right time, you really only have a window of a couple years.

You think that not making the playoffs is better than making the playoffs?How does one even discuss that logic?
- VANTEL

I am sorry that you don't understand that disappointment is, by definition, related to expectations.

I won't even bother to explain beyond that because clearly you are too stupid to get it, and I run a serious risk of becoming more stupid by reading the crap you spew out all over these boards every day.

Google
- VANTEL

Can you please just look at Leftcoaster and Fosco.

They are Canucks fans who can actually discuss something and view their team, and other teams, critically, without being consistently stupid.

Try to be more like them.

you're quite wrong. the majority of big contract cash years are paid and his cap hit is very manageable. he pays for himself and the bounty will be much higher than people expect. the difference is that of the "bad" contracts out there he's one of the best players on one of those deals. that's the difference. some deals are untradeable. his isn't.
- therealagent

Wrong. Roberto has 6 more seasons at a salary of over $6.7M. Only then does it drop to $3.3M, then $1.6M, and two more seasons at $1M. That means that if Lu only plays 6 more years, he will earn more salary than his cap hit for the remainder of the contract. for a difference of a little over $8M. That's a hard sell to teams that have cap, but don't have CASH

Yeah, his game 7 streak is (frank)ing legendary.
- shinebox

He said Lu, not Roy

There are 3 options for Luongo - SJ, Tbay, Tor

Canucks will not get a high 1st round pick for Luongo
Canucks will not get a top prospect or roster player with remotely any upside.

Luongo deal will consist of a low 1st or 2nd, a roster player with a sh!tty contract and maybe some kid that might become something in 3-5 years.

Eklund: Luongo "very much" on Leafs Radar.
- Eklund

Hey EK, any sources talking about the reports/rumors by CBJ media that the Bruins are putting together a major offer for Nash? Boston seemed to be the least talked about team on Nash's list....even less than teams who were not on his supposed list.

There are 3 options for Luongo - SJ, Tbay, Tor

Canucks will not get a high 1st round pick for Luongo
Canucks will not get a top prospect or roster player with remotely any upside.

Luongo deal will consist of a low 1st or 2nd, a roster player with a sh!tty contract and maybe some kid that might become something in 3-5 years.
- Mr_Smokey

4th option - If the price is more than a mediocre prospect and a salary dump (1-3 year contract) everyone stay away..leave him in Van

For everyone that is saying Burke will not pay for a proven goaltender, just look at his resume. I know he won a cup in Anaheim and Gigiure (sp?) played great, but look at pretty much every team Burke has iced as a GM and you will find a common denominator: Bad goaltending. This is also the same guy that preaches that his philosophy is building form the net out.

I’m not saying that Luongo is Burkes only option but you would have to think that his #1 priority is to get a goalie that gives them a chance to win games and at the end of the day it might cost more then Komi and 4th.