...nope.

The leafs need the playoffs more then the canucks need to get rid of lou.
- Deadmau55

I disagree. The pressure will be on the Canucks to resign Schneider and he's not going to come cheap. BARE minimum, Schneider will get $3. Most likely he ends up in the $4M-$5M range. Therefore, is Schneider ends up with a cap hit of $4M, between Luongo and Schneider, Canucks will be using $9.3 in cap space on their goalies. That's a huge amount of money to be spending on your goalies.

Secondly, when AV decided to play Schneider for the remainder of the playoffs, that was a clear sign to the team, the fans, and to Luongo, that Luongo is no longer their goalie of choice.

So, because of this, the pressure will be on Vancouver to move Lu. Combine that with the remaining term on his contract, and the fact that it's still front loaded for the next few years, Vancouver is now in the position of weakness when trading Lu.

First things first, Lu gets to make a list of teams. So the Vancouver is in ANOTHER weak position as they have limited trade partners.
Of those trade partners, the teams would need to be able to AFFORD Lu. Let's not forget that the next few years of the contract are MORE expensive than the cap hit. This will eliminate or limit teams on a budget.
Realistically, teams like Florida will not be able to afford Lu. Tampa will be a player, but significant salary will need to be going back. What I mean is SALARY, not cap. Lu's salary is big for the next few years so Tampa will need to shed some of their own salary as they are a team that does not have a lot of money.

All and all, that may leave Toronto as one of the very few teams that CAN take Lu. They have the money, the space, the need, and are supposedly on the Lu's list. So if Toronto DECIDES to trade, they are in a very strong position, because they know the circumstances that Vancouver is in.

I've said it before - I'll say it again - and keep saying it particularly to the Johnny Canuckuckle heads...

the absolute closest parallel to the Luongo situation in recent hockey history is the Giguerre to Toronto deal
1) older goalie losing #1 spot to younger, less expensive emerging player (Check 100% match)
2) older goalie with hefty contract and CAP hit (Check 100% match)
3) Conn Smyth winner and Cup winner.... (Ooooops - guess Luo has less value as a result
4) older goalie with hefty contract and CAP hit has two years left on term .... (huge OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOps here... Luo under contract until the end of time so Luo has less value as a result


Giguerre garnered CAP dump of Jason Blake and Vesa Toskala.
Luongo yields... not very much how's about Tim Connelly or Mike Komisarek and a 5th round draft pick.

That should just about do it.

Now Vancouver fans - before you riot in reaction to this entirely sensible, logical post... take a breath, drink you chai latte, open your umbrella and cry quietly.
- BorjeFan4Ever

We don't have any reason to cry.

I love the playoff team we have every year!

This trade will ruin the Leafs for the next 32 years...
- Flyfreaky

Quit exaggerating, no more than 20 years.

You left out the part where Vancouver keeps Luongo and trades Schneider for a better package.
- fiveandagame

Why trade for Schneider when you can offer sheet him before the Canucks can offer arbitration?

You left out the part where Vancouver keeps Luongo and trades Schneider for a better package.
- fiveandagame

There'd be riots in the streets. Oh wait.

I disagree. The pressure will be on the Canucks to resign Schneider and he's not going to come cheap. BARE minimum, Schneider will get $3. Most likely he ends up in the $4M-$5M range. Therefore, is Schneider ends up with a cap hit of $4M, between Luongo and Schneider, Canucks will be using $9.3 in cap space on their goalies. That's a huge amount of money to be spending on your goalies.

Secondly, when AV decided to play Schneider for the remainder of the playoffs, that was a clear sign to the team, the fans, and to Luongo, that Luongo is no longer their goalie of choice.

So, because of this, the pressure will be on Vancouver to move Lu. Combine that with the remaining term on his contract, and the fact that it's still front loaded for the next few years, Vancouver is now in the position of weakness when trading Lu.

First things first, Lu gets to make a list of teams. So the Vancouver is in ANOTHER weak position as they have limited trade partners.
Of those trade partners, the teams would need to be able to AFFORD Lu. Let's not forget that the next few years of the contract are MORE expensive than the cap hit. This will eliminate or limit teams on a budget.
Realistically, teams like Florida will not be able to afford Lu. Tampa will be a player, but significant salary will need to be going back. What I mean is SALARY, not cap. Lu's salary is big for the next few years so Tampa will need to shed some of their own salary as they are a team that does not have a lot of money.

All and all, that may leave Toronto as one of the very few teams that CAN take Lu. They have the money, the space, the need, and are supposedly on the Lu's list. So if Toronto DECIDES to trade, they are in a very strong position, because they know the circumstances that Vancouver is in.
- ILoveLamp

Luongo played great in the first 2 games of the series. The rest of the team looked like crap. AV put Schnieder in to try and spark the team and it worked becasue the team looked way better in game 3 (even though they lost) Goaltending was the only reason the Canucks won the Presidents and had nothing to do with losing in the 1st round. The luxury of having 2 very good goalies to call on is the reason Schnieder got the start. It had nothing to do with Luongo's performance.

This does not make much sense to me.

Luongo has a no trade contract, he wants to be Florida based, he wants to play for a contender. And, both the Panthers and Bolts want him. Both Florida teams are rich in prospects and can offer up a player without the Canucks having to take back salary. Florida is in better shape than Tampa on that front. But, I don't know what the Leafs can offer. Can someone explain to me how the Leafs become a part of this discussion.
- spatso

I'm thinking Tallon has zero interest in Luongo. More offense, and Jason Garrison? Yes.

There'd be riots in the streets. Oh wait.
- ILoveLamp

The fans will be OK when Gillis is able to use the assets from the Schnieder trade to make the team better. Luongo is still a very good gaolie that can win games. Why do people always ignore this and call him a bum. A GM's job is to ice a team that can win games, not make a bad decision to accomidate a couple of bandwagon fans.

There'd be riots in the streets. Oh wait.
- ILoveLamp

You're too smrt

I do think he's a good coach, but he's still learning what kind of team he has even though it's been how many years?

Kesler - no one is sure what exactly you have in him and he's a HUGE part of what that team accomplishes.

Then there's playing luongo too much, but rightfully so, if they want to trade him and get any value for him at all then he had to play him.

He's a good coach with a few whiners/divers that he needs to get under control. Once he does then the canucks will be able to consider the cup with a heck of a lot more certainty.
- Juice

I agree that he's a better coach than he's most give him credit for, it's no coincidence that all of our core players have developed and had career years during his time here. He and Gillis definitely need to get Kesler to focus on playing hockey again instead of trying to draw a penalty on every shift. It might have been out of frustration on Kesler's part because he struggled this year after rushing back early from his injury, I hope the Canucks don't make the same mistake with him again next season.

We also really need a d-man to play the right side with Edler. He was at his best when he was paired with Ehrhoff so a puck moving d-man would be preferred. I think Dennis Wideman or Matt Carle would be great fits. Edler tried to do too much at times this year and it hurt us defensively.

I'd also like a playmaking, skilled forward to play with Kesler and Booth on the second line. Signing Paranteau will likely cost too much and there isn't much else out there. I wouldn't mind giving Schroeder a shot.

And finally a couple of hard-nosed, tough players that can actually play would go a long way. Our 4th line always kills us in the playoffs.

I'm thinking Tallon has zero interest in Luongo. More offense, and Jason Garrison? Yes.
- PanthersGoal

Garrison already said he's signing in Vancouver, go find someone else.

Garrison already said he's signing in Vancouver, go find someone else.
- Scooby_Doo

Hometown discount. It has been his dream to play for the Canucks since he was a little boy.

Garrison already said he's signing in Vancouver, go find someone else.
- Scooby_Doo

source?

Or, just a dopey dream.

source?

Or, just a dopey dream.
- PanthersGoal

http://www.vancitybuzz.co...nts-to-play-in-vancouver/

Dear god no........ 10 years

All out to me is drafting Galchenyuk, getting rid of Komi, Army, Lombo, and Connolly, while also managing to sign Shultz... That is a win in my books.
- mfreedman

sign me up for this. If Burke can pull off getting rid of 3 of those 4, signing Shultz... then it almost doesn't matter who he drafts (although Galchenyuk would be fine with me).

and hopefully someone from upstairs at MLSE reminds BB on June 30th... that he should remember the following on July 1st:
a) don't just sign some guy to a NMC because he's American and was drafted high ten years ago
b) anyone he's considering signing should be at least 6'1" tall and weigh over 200 lbs
c) Konopka(truculent) would be a better addition than Hudler(not so truculent)
d) Jason Arnott can still play - and guess what he's originally from Ontario - so siging him might just get Cherry off BB's back... might not be a bad mentor for another tall skilly kid (which Arnott was at one time) Joe Colborne. Of course you should only consider signing Arnott if the always potent Tim "Glassman" Connolly has been shipped out of town.
e) Alexandre Giroux is NOT the guy who played for Philadelphia
f) that signing Paul Gaustad to play in Steckel's spot only makes sense if Steckel's not playing in the spot anymore
g) Jarret Stoll is not a 1st or 2nd line center in Los Angeles. And he wasn't one in Edmonton either. He had one season, 7 or 8 years ago with more than 50 points. He's not the answer.
h) Jason Blake's available - so you can re-acqurie him to include in the package for Luongo
i) long term cap circumventing contracts are okay - if they are for good players (not Connolly, Komisarek or similar)... you know good players
j) Dustin Penner is not a 5M a year player
k) Darryl Boyce could be signed to replace Phillippe Dupius... that might buy you some good faith with the players.
l) Taylor Pyatt is a big player - but he's not truculent.
m) before you sign Parros, just a reminder that Colton Orr is on the Marlies roster.
n) Byron Bitz is large, has some truculence and could play third or fourth line minutes.
etc.

basically BB, before you make another f____ dumb FA signing ... check the list above.

if you manage to sign Shultz... then trade Gunnerson, Komisarek and replace them with lower cost FAs after July 1st.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/05/jason-garrison-does-a-news1130-interview-wants-to-play-in-vancouver/
- Scooby_Doo

If that's the article you want to go by, doesn't leave much of an impression. Lots of "If's", "maybe's" and "but's" in there. Besides, Garrison is looking to sign for somewhere around 4 or 4.5. If he WERE to agree to the 3.5, I think Dale would be OK with it.

If he stands FIRM at the 4.5 or so, you can take him. This is the club that gave him a chance, when NO ONE ELSE even offered the "PALTRY" 675K. Great guy, big shot, huge improvement from one year to the next, but at his age, and only one huge year..only so high can one go.

If that's the article you want to go by, doesn't leave much of an impression. Lots of "If's", "maybe's" and "but's" in there. Besides, Garrison is looking to sign for somewhere around 4 or 4.5. If he WERE to agree to the 3.5, I think Dale would be OK with it.

If he stands FIRM at the 4.5 or so, you can take him. This is the club that gave him a chance, when NO ONE ELSE even offered the "PALTRY" 675K. Great guy, big shot, huge improvement from one year to the next, but at his age, and only one huge year..only so high can one go.
- PanthersGoal

Obviously he's not going to come right out and say he's signing for his hometown club. His situation reminds me a lot of Kevin Bieksa. It's defintitely a gamble giving him the big bucks.

You left out the part where Vancouver keeps Luongo and trades Schneider for a better package.
- fiveandagame

that's also possible...

Canucks could swing Schneider to Buffalo for Cody Hodgson...

oh sorry... forgot about the history there.

that's also possible...

Canucks could swing Schneider to Buffalo for Cody Hodgson...

oh sorry... forgot about the history there.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Nah we're looking for someone more talented, like Kadri.

Nah we're looking for someone more talented, like Kadri.



- Mattjd123

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kadri thrived with Vancouver. Just sayin'.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kadri thrived with Vancouver. Just sayin'.
- As_I_See_It

AV probably wouldn't even let him play on the Wolves. He's got the two things AV hates, he's young/unproven and a one dimensional forward.

AV probably wouldn't even let him play on the Wolves. He's got the two things AV hates, he's young/unproven and a one dimensional forward.
- Nucker101

... Exactly.

... And you guys are expecting the MASSIVE Jordan Schroeder standing at a whopping 5'8" and 175 lbs to make an impact.

Kyle Wellwood 2.0, anyone?

sign me up for this. If Burke can pull off getting rid of 3 of those 4, signing Shultz... then it almost doesn't matter who he drafts (although Galchenyuk would be fine with me).

and hopefully someone from upstairs at MLSE reminds BB on June 30th... that he should remember the following on July 1st:
a) don't just sign some guy to a NMC because he's American and was drafted high ten years ago
b) anyone he's considering signing should be at least 6'1" tall and weigh over 200 lbs
c) Konopka(truculent) would be a better addition than Hudler(not so truculent)
d) Jason Arnott can still play - and guess what he's originally from Ontario - so siging him might just get Cherry off BB's back... might not be a bad mentor for another tall skilly kid (which Arnott was at one time) Joe Colborne. Of course you should only consider signing Arnott if the always potent Tim "Glassman" Connolly has been shipped out of town.
e) Alexandre Giroux is NOT the guy who played for Philadelphia
f) that signing Paul Gaustad to play in Steckel's spot only makes sense if Steckel's not playing in the spot anymore
g) Jarret Stoll is not a 1st or 2nd line center in Los Angeles. And he wasn't one in Edmonton either. He had one season, 7 or 8 years ago with more than 50 points. He's not the answer.
h) Jason Blake's available - so you can re-acqurie him to include in the package for Luongo
i) long term cap circumventing contracts are okay - if they are for good players (not Connolly, Komisarek or similar)... you know good players
j) Dustin Penner is not a 5M a year player
k) Darryl Boyce could be signed to replace Phillippe Dupius... that might buy you some good faith with the players.
l) Taylor Pyatt is a big player - but he's not truculent.
m) before you sign Parros, just a reminder that Colton Orr is on the Marlies roster.
n) Byron Bitz is large, has some truculence and could play third or fourth line minutes.
etc.

basically BB, before you make another f____ dumb FA signing ... check the list above.

if you manage to sign Shultz... then trade Gunnerson, Komisarek and replace them with lower cost FAs after July 1st.
- BorjeFan4Ever

All those guys are pretty poop to be honest who youve mentioned, except gaustad and schultz. Penner and stoll with likely resign with LA.

I think burke will look along the lines of trying to acquire parise or suter first offs. If thats a no go which is very easy to see as a no go, then theres pursuing the likes of stasny, gaustad, chris stewart, brad stuart, Luongo/Bernier for goalie, justin schultz.