The market for Lou is limited which negates the pressure and doesn't make them overpay.

Both teams will be doing each other a favor by ridding a huge salary and shoring up goaltending for the other.

I expect a fair deal for the that type of contract. No over or under paying by Tampa or the Leafs.
- Trejetta

The leafs need the playoffs more then the canucks need to get rid of lou.

Reimer
+ Gunnarsson/Liles
+ Armstrong/Connolly

that's the max i'd give up
- bobbyflex

But it is not your ass and reputation on the line for not making the playoffs. If Burke wants to continue working he better get some results soon. New owners don't help his cause much either . Burke will pull the trigger and it will be for Schenn.

To add to this,

After this year we only have the following players signed:

Kessel
Grabo
Brown
Phaneuf
Komi
Liles
Schenn
Gardiner
Reimer

This has to be a first where we dont have 10 contracts signed for the next 10 years...

I love the fact that Burke structured it this way... What this also does is make it so that if he doesnt succeed with his plan, then next GM isn't hindered by a bunch of ridiculous contracts.

It also gives Burke the opportunity to move up some of the players from the Marlies to fill said positions. Guys like Kadri, Frattin, Colborne, Ashton, Blacker, etc... will actually have areas to move up to in a year, if not this year.

Stay the course everyone. Be patient, we are in better position without Luongo's 10 year contract.
- mfreedman

I saw that too; I would like for the Leafs to go with a cheaper but still effective option, whether it's Vokoun or something else. I don't want the Leafs to tie their hands with Lu's contract, no matter how much I would like to see him play for Toronto.

The pressure is on the leafs to make the deal, not so much the canucks. So Toronto is more likely to overpay. That being said, lou isnt the only option the leafs have, maybe the best... but not the only one.
- Deadmau55

The Leafs' goaltending situation needs to be improved, but I wouldn't exactly call it pressure. Burke will make a good deal for the Leafs with or without Vancouver.

Lottery picks don't always help ask EDM.
- VANTEL

They will in another season or so...

But it is not your ass and reputation on the line for not making the playoffs. If Burke wants to continue working he better get some results soon. New owners don't help his cause much either . Burke will pull the trigger and it will be for Schenn.
- VANTEL

Burke wants to get bigger and tougher (yadda yadda we all heard that before) so why would he send out Schenn? Burke's all about the hits and physicality. It's going to probably be a big contract and a prospect if even even decides to contact Vancouver.

To add to this,

After this year we only have the following players signed:

Kessel
Grabo
Brown
Phaneuf
Komi
Liles
Schenn
Gardiner
Reimer

This has to be a first where we dont have 10 contracts signed for the next 10 years...

I love the fact that Burke structured it this way... What this also does is make it so that if he doesnt succeed with his plan, then next GM isn't hindered by a bunch of ridiculous contracts.

It also gives Burke the opportunity to move up some of the players from the Marlies to fill said positions. Guys like Kadri, Frattin, Colborne, Ashton, Blacker, etc... will actually have areas to move up to in a year, if not this year.

Stay the course everyone. Be patient, we are in better position without Luongo's 10 year contract.
- mfreedman

Well said! I think this is entirely correct. Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing. Avoid bad signings, give the young guys all the playing time they need to grow their game. Keep developing the farm.

Lou was a Nonis aquisition, something that needs to be kept in mind.
- Dozzer

Not questioning whether or not the Leafs will trade for him...but they're not giving up the 5th overall pick and certainly not along with Gardiner.

They will in another season or so...
- saskoil21

I've heard that in Edmonton for awhile now. Still not sold on that defense at all and if Dubynk can be a number one goalie that gets them into the playoffs. Tamby had an easy job his first few years but now we'll have to see what he does as GM with some expectations. His conservative management style reminds me of Dave Nonis, which is not a good thing but the top picks will make him look good.

The Leafs' goaltending situation needs to be improved, but I wouldn't exactly call it pressure. Burke will make a good deal for the Leafs with or without Vancouver.
- As_I_See_It

I said it up there ^^ Leafs need the playoffs more then the canucks need to get rid of lou. I think BB needs to be seen as trying to improve his team, getting a star player, and regardless of how fan bases feel toward another, lou gives you the best shot to make the playoffs.

I saw that too; I would like for the Leafs to go with a cheaper but still effective option, whether it's Vokoun or something else. I don't want the Leafs to tie their hands with Lu's contract, no matter how much I would like to see him play for Toronto.
- Conquest

Agreed.

While Vokoun would be great, I don't see it happening..

To be honest, I would prefer for them to stick with who they have, and even Sign Gusty (or Roloson) to a 1 year contract until Scrivens looks better or one of Reims or Gus emerges as the unquestioned starter.

Also, if there was anyway we could resign Crabb, I'd be all over that..


Note: I expect a lot of hate from this comment.

Agreed.

While Vokoun would be great, I don't see it happening..

To be honest, I would prefer for them to stick with who they have, and even Sign Gusty (or Roloson) to a 1 year contract until Scrivens looks better or one of Reims or Gus emerges as the unquestioned starter.

Also, if there was anyway we could resign Crabb, I'd be all over that..


Note: I expect a lot of hate from this comment.
- mfreedman

k listen here you, burke is going to go all out this summer and own the system.

Not questioning whether or not the Leafs will trade for him...but they're not giving up the 5th overall pick and certainly not along with Gardiner.
- Juice

I don't think any reasonable(keyword) Canuck is expecting anything close to that. I'd say a mid/late first or early second + another decent asset is fair. I bet the Canucks will push for Schenn but I doubt Burke goes for that. My guess is that Tampa trades their late first from Detroit or Ryan Malone as the main part of the deal. And people tend to forget that these types of deals usually don't just include the one asset(Luongo) going back the other way since he isn't some trade deadline rental player. We could see someone like Chris Tanev or Marc-Andre Gragnani or another player as part of the package to get it done.

Double

Agreed.

While Vokoun would be great, I don't see it happening..

To be honest, I would prefer for them to stick with who they have, and even Sign Gusty (or Roloson) to a 1 year contract until Scrivens looks better or one of Reims or Gus emerges as the unquestioned starter.

Also, if there was anyway we could resign Crabb, I'd be all over that..


Note: I expect a lot of hate from this comment.
- mfreedman

I don't think Roloson is about to solve your goalie woes. He was outplayed by Garon this season. Burke needs to make the playoffs and he knows it. Vokoun probably wants to play on a more promising team like Detroit or maybe Tampa if he likes the idea of having Stamkos, St.Louis, Lecavalier, etc scoring goals for him.

I don't think any reasonable(keyword) Canuck is expecting anything close to that. I'd say a mid/late first or early second + another decent asset is fair. I bet the Canucks will push for Schenn but I doubt Burke goes for that. My guess is that Tampa trades their late first from Detroit or Ryan Malone as the main part of the deal. And people tend to forget that these types of deals usually don't just include the one asset(Luongo) going back the other way since he isn't some trade deadline rental player. We could see someone like Chris Tanev or Marc-Andre Gragnani or another player as part of the package to get it done.


I love you Juice, you're the best, keep it up!
- Nucker101

Bingo!

100% agree, down to every single word...especially the part where you said "I love you Juice, you're the best, keep it up!"

The leafs need the playoffs more then the canucks need to get rid of lou.
- Deadmau55

Both Yzerman and Burke know Gillis is in a tough place right now because he has a guy who basically came out and publically demanded a trade but in the nicest way possible.

Lou knows the Nucks are going in a different direction and doesn't want to play second fiddle to anyone so he wants out.

Gillis doesn't want that distraction on his hands next season and would love the cap space to make some moves they need to make.

No ones hand will be forced because of pressure

Bingo!

100% agree, down to every single word...especially the part where you said "I love you Juice, you're the best, keep it up!"
- Juice

Well played.

By the way AV's contract extension was just announced so Esplen's blog should be pumping with enthousiasm this week!

Well played.

By the way AV's contract extension was just announced so Esplen's blog should be pumping with enthousiasm this week!
- Nucker101

I do think he's a good coach, but he's still learning what kind of team he has even though it's been how many years?

Kesler - no one is sure what exactly you have in him and he's a HUGE part of what that team accomplishes.

Then there's playing luongo too much, but rightfully so, if they want to trade him and get any value for him at all then he had to play him.

He's a good coach with a few whiners/divers that he needs to get under control. Once he does then the canucks will be able to consider the cup with a heck of a lot more certainty.

This trade will ruin the Leafs for the next 32 years...

If Luongo comes to Toronto he better find some confidence or he'll continue the downward spiral he's in.

Hell, I would rather they bring back Trevor Kidd than bring in Luongo
- reepnorp

Your Kidd...ing me right ? Seriously

k listen here you, burke is going to go all out this summer and own the system.

- Mapleleafs_91

All out to me is drafting Galchenyuk, getting rid of Komi, Army, Lombo, and Connolly, while also managing to sign Shultz... That is a win in my books.

We don't like what you think you should get for him, just like you don't agree with our assessment of his value. Very short discussion in the end.
- p_zub

I've said it before - I'll say it again - and keep saying it particularly to the Johnny Canuckuckle heads...

the absolute closest parallel to the Luongo situation in recent hockey history is the Giguerre to Toronto deal
1) older goalie losing #1 spot to younger, less expensive emerging player (Check 100% match)
2) older goalie with hefty contract and CAP hit (Check 100% match)
3) Conn Smyth winner and Cup winner.... (Ooooops - guess Luo has less value as a result
4) older goalie with hefty contract and CAP hit has two years left on term .... (huge OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOps here... Luo under contract until the end of time so Luo has less value as a result


Giguerre garnered CAP dump of Jason Blake and Vesa Toskala.
Luongo yields... not very much how's about Tim Connelly or Mike Komisarek and a 5th round draft pick.

That should just about do it.

Now Vancouver fans - before you riot in reaction to this entirely sensible, logical post... take a breath, drink you chai latte, open your umbrella and cry quietly.

I've heard that in Edmonton for awhile now. Still not sold on that defense at all and if Dubynk can be a number one goalie that gets them into the playoffs. Tamby had an easy job his first few years but now we'll have to see what he does as GM with some expectations. His conservative management style reminds me of Dave Nonis, which is not a good thing but the top picks will make him look good.
- Nucker101

That's also assuming every one of their young guys develops into an elite player. They're ALL already behind the pace of names like Ovechkin, Backstrom, Crosby, Malkin, etc. Why bring up these names specifically? Because, these are the types of forwards you'll need if you plan on being competitive with no defense or goaltending.

I've said it before - I'll say it again - and keep saying it particularly to the Johnny Canuckuckle heads...

the absolute closest parallel to the Luongo situation in recent hockey history is the Giguerre to Toronto deal
1) older goalie losing #1 spot to younger, less expensive emerging player (Check 100% match)
2) older goalie with hefty contract and CAP hit (Check 100% match)
3) Conn Smyth winner and Cup winner.... (Ooooops - guess Luo has less value as a result
4) older goalie with hefty contract and CAP hit has two years left on term .... (huge OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOps here... Luo under contract until the end of time so Luo has less value as a result


Giguerre garnered CAP dump of Jason Blake and Vesa Toskala.
Luongo yields... not very much how's about Tim Connelly or Mike Komisarek and a 5th round draft pick.

That should just about do it.

Now Vancouver fans - before you riot in reaction to this entirely sensible, logical post... take a breath, drink you chai latte, open your umbrella and cry quietly.
- BorjeFan4Ever

You left out the part where Vancouver keeps Luongo and trades Schneider for a better package.