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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 1:14 PM ET
Imo, A lot of early season struggles with Bryz had to do with communication issues with his defensemen and possibly just trouble adjusting to the flyers system as a whole. The media took his early struggles and ran with it. Compounded by 24/7 and a big new contract, I don't think he felt settled until about February. I think we will se a much more consistent Bryzgalov next year.
- funmaster18


I agree 100%. Bryz has proven to be a good goalie. His struggles this year were uncharacteristic. Unfortunately, most casual fans and the media members with an agenda either don't know or choose to ignore what he did in Anaheim and Phoenix.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 23 @ 1:14 PM ET
It's a shame they were ousted, but a lot of people had the team missing the playoffs all together. Can't lose perspective just because they didn't win the Stanley Cup.
- funmaster18


Meh. It's easier to focus on what they didn't accomplish for the 37th spring in a row (really only 36 because no one won a Cup in 2005).

EDIT:
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 23 @ 1:16 PM ET
Exactly. Which is why I wouldn't want to be in the Kings position with Richards and Carter's contracts if they lost.
- NickTheKid87


Either way, unless Carter has a monster final (possible, hardly probable), I see LA looking to move him at the end of the year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:17 PM ET
In the short run they are worthwhile but as players get older and less effective they become contracts of burden (i.e. Roberto Luongo). Plus if the Kings don't win this year or within the next few years then they would want to shake up the team.
- NickTheKid87



If Luongo was playing at the top of his game, his contract wouldn't be a burden. As long as the Kings continue to be a contending team, I don't see why they would want to shake up the team. Carter and Richards are still young and they didn't take on those contracts for just a couple of years window.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

May 23 @ 1:18 PM ET
It's a shame they were ousted, but a lot of people had the team missing the playoffs all together. Can't lose perspective just because they didn't win the Stanley Cup.
- funmaster18


people also seem to make too small a deal out of what it means to a team to lose a player like chris pronger. how many teams could sustain that kind of loss and still go on a deep cup run?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:19 PM ET
But to the same team twice? Not nearly as common. How many teams have won the Cup multiple times recently? The Devils, Aves, Red Wings and Pens are the only teams to win the Cup multiple times in the last 20 years.
- NickTheKid87



Why would it have to happen to the same team twice. The Kings are improved. They added two good players. They will tweak just like any other team will. And no reason why they can't be a contender for a number of years down the road with the core they now have.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 1:19 PM ET
If Luongo was playing at the top of his game, his contract wouldn't be a burden. As long as the Kings continue to be a contending team, I don't see why they would want to shake up the team. Carter and Richards are still young and they didn't take on those contracts for just a couple of years window.
- MJL


But he's not.

The Flyers were a contending team and traded both guys. If the Kings don't win a Cup within the next, say, 5 years, than why wouldn't you want to make changes to the team?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:20 PM ET
Sports are an interesting event. One minute a player is amazing and the next they are garbage. Kessel and Kesler are good examples. Shoot Parise might tank next year for all we know. If Carter comes up big in the next series he will be held on a podium as a man among boys. I totally hear what you are saying, I also think the next series will be huge in determining if he is a PO magician or dude. Things just change that fast in sports.
- coffee junkie



No doubt about that.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 23 @ 1:21 PM ET
people also seem to make too small a deal out of what it means to a team to lose a player like chris pronger. how many teams could sustain that kind of loss and still go on a deep cup run?
- FlyerMike18

This post makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
But he's not.

The Flyers were a contending team and traded both guys. If the Kings don't win a Cup within the next, say, 5 years, than why wouldn't you want to make changes to the team?

- NickTheKid87



They probably would. But 5 years is a long time. And you replying that Luongo isn't playing at the top of his game, that's why his contract is a burden. What makes you think that Richards and Carter won't be playing at the top of their games in LA down the road?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
If Luongo was playing at the top of his game, his contract wouldn't be a burden. As long as the Kings continue to be a contending team, I don't see why they would want to shake up the team. Carter and Richards are still young and they didn't take on those contracts for just a couple of years window.
- MJL


The Canucks are a contending team, so should they hang onto Luongo?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
No doubt about that.
- MJL


Leighton went from loved to hated in less than two weeks' time. Those who conveniently forget his arrival in the Boston series and play through the Montreal series look only at the Final. And usually, just 1 play in Game 6.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
people also seem to make too small a deal out of what it means to a team to lose a player like chris pronger. how many teams could sustain that kind of loss and still go on a deep cup run?
- FlyerMike18



Not many. That's nother reason why I'm not upset about the Flyers getting knocked out and the Kings are in the Finals. As was said earlier. You need some breaks along the way. But you also need to take advantage of them.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
people also seem to make too small a deal out of what it means to a team to lose a player like chris pronger. how many teams could sustain that kind of loss and still go on a deep cup run?
- FlyerMike18



and with how many rookies in the regular lineup?

i can't be anything but proud of how far they got
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
The Canucks are a contending team, so should they hang onto Luongo?
- funmaster18


For the sake of the rest of the NW Division, yes.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:24 PM ET
The Canucks are a contending team, so should they hang onto Luongo?
- funmaster18



Well that's not what I said. If Luongo was playing at the top of his game and was playing like one of the best Goalies in the game. Would they want to get rid of him?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:25 PM ET
Either way, unless Carter has a monster final (possible, hardly probable), I see LA looking to move him at the end of the year.
- 77rams



I don't see that happening. But you never know.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 1:26 PM ET
They probably would. But 5 years is a long time. And you replying that Luongo isn't playing at the top of his game, that's why his contract is a burden. What makes you think that Richards and Carter won't be playing at the top of their games in LA down the road?
- MJL


Those guys have never played up to those contracts and not many players could especially Carter. At least Richards is a elite penalty killer. If he can score 65+ points consistently than he's well worth it. Carter on the other hand is streaky. He scores a lot of goals but he takes a lot of shots plus disappears in the playoffs. 10 years is a long time to be stuck with a player like that.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 23 @ 1:27 PM ET
Well that's not what I said. If Luongo was playing at the top of his game and was playing like one of the best Goalies in the game. Would they want to get rid of him?
- MJL


You suggested the kings keep carter as long as they are a contending team. Just looking for clarification because carter. I think carter an luong are very similar. They are streaky and come up small in the playoffs. I'm just wondering if carter should remain on the kings because they are a contending team, then shouldnt Luongo, by that logic?
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 23 @ 1:27 PM ET
The Canucks are a contending team, so should they hang onto Luongo?
- funmaster18


I thought they were...
and the Flyers are a contending team too and we want to get rid of Danny Boy...

one min you are love the next you are hated...

on with the show....
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
and with how many rookies in the regular lineup?

i can't be anything but proud of how far they got

- Don'tForgetTocchet


Two possible answers here:

1) Exactly.

or

2) *swallows a profusely sweating toad* So sorry you're happy with losing.

I opt for #1.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
For the sake of the rest of the NW Division, yes.
- Flyskippy


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
Those guys have never played up to those contracts and not many players could especially Carter. At least Richards is a elite penalty killer. If he can score 65+ points consistently than he's well worth it. Carter on the other hand is streaky. He scores a lot of goals but he takes a lot of shots plus disappears in the playoffs. 10 years is a long time to be stuck with a player like that.
- NickTheKid87



I disagree completely with that. Both players have been very, very good players their entire careers. This term streaky needs to be looked at also. Other then the most consistent goal scorers and superstars such as Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby. All goal scorers are streaky.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
Two possible answers here:

1) Exactly.

or

2) *swallows a profusely sweating toad* So sorry you're happy with losing.

I opt for #1.

- Flyskippy




*Brilliant
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 23 @ 1:29 PM ET
Those guys have never played up to those contracts and not many players could especially Carter. At least Richards is a elite penalty killer. If he can score 65+ points consistently than he's well worth it. Carter on the other hand is streaky. He scores a lot of goals but he takes a lot of shots plus disappears in the playoffs. 10 years is a long time to be stuck with a player like that.
- NickTheKid87


Carter takes a lot less shots than Ovi. He also is trying to pick corners. Guys that shoot that way will miss a lot - but no one complains when they go in. Heck, Gagne had a nickname of "Gagnehighandwide," in many circles.
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