Will see what happens. Carle is like any other player on the Flyers he has his strength's and weaknesses.
- stveshdy

Im all for resigning him if it's a good deal for the flyers. If our top 5 were healthy for the playoffs, I think the defense would have been fully capable of competing for a cup.

and i can see that point of view

but i can also see the "ugh, just not the friggin year of the trades" point of view as well. and its not about hating richards or carter...


im not saying you should feel that way.. but to completely not understand why some fans do, is just odd to me
- Crimsoninja

It's because we knew, or atleast I knew that the Flyers were making the deals for the future. And there was a good chance the team would take a step back, in order to be better in the future. The Kings winning it doesn't change that perspective for me. And I harbor no ill will towards Richards and Carter.

You are one of many of us that waste multiple hours on this website a week, crap even day sometimes. I understand the personal issue death thing. Yes it is just sports. I don't consider us even typical flyer fans. We all have borderline Problems with the amount of time we spend on here. To be flabbergasted at the thought that people on here may have jealous or spiteful thoughts with regards to the kings. I don't understand it. My blood boils prob because I have only been alive for one Philadelphia championship. In a sport that is at the bottom of the totum pole
- Just5

I am 25.. I have been donning O&B since I was a baby... My passion towards the Flyers is only supplanted by my passion for my family and my fiance.

I am a Flyers fan. I havent missed a single game since "The HUSH" by Talbot... If i do I know I cant see it, I record it and watch it later. One might say I am unhealthily addicted to the Flyers. But I wouldnt change it for anything.

So for someone to suggest that it is beyond understanding why I would be pissed or even displeased... I cant give an answer... simply because we do not reciprocate the same level of passion.

Im all for resigning him if it's a good deal for the flyers. If our top 5 were healthy for the playoffs, I think the defense would have been fully capable of competing for a cup.
- funmaster18

I think the Flyers need to do a better job of defending in their own end. Too many breakdowns and players being left wide open. We seen it all year long and in the playoffs.

Good for (frank)ing you! Everyone has the right to root for whomever they like without having to answer to you.

I'm going to send another mod in for the day.
- bodiva88

Where did I say anywhere that everyone can't root for whomever they want, and have to answer to me?

I'm just saying that people shouldn't be upset that they could potentially win a Cup with the Kings. We have a better chance with the players that we got in return for them than we ever did with them here. Personally, I don't really care who wins the Cup.
- NickTheKid87

I agree with that.

I don't understand this frustration. Regardless of what many think, the Flyers traded 2 very, very good players. And they were added to an already very good team with a very good goaltender. If they win it, good for them. Now for the Flyers perspective. We knew that the deals were made for the future, not for the now. Has that changed? Did I miss something? Is the window closed on that future already? Was the future this year? Based on the moves the potential was there for the team to possibly take a step back to take bigger steps in the future. That outlook hasn't changed. So why is it going to suck? I don't get it.
- MJL

It svcks because the flyers never seem to have things work out for them. I would rather the flyers win a cup or few before Richards and Carter do. I am not lamenting the trades and would do them again if it was ever my choice
I like my TV just the way it is and a chair getting thrown through it after listening to any number of story lines and narratives from national broadcasters next season will be brutal if LA wins.

I don't understand why you don't understand how this could be a fan's standing.

I am 25.. I have been donning O&B since I was a baby... My passion towards the Flyers is only supplanted by my passion for my family and my fiance.

I am a Flyers fan. I havent missed a single game since "The HUSH" by Talbot... If i do I know I cant see it, I record it and watch it later. One might say I am unhealthily addicted to the Flyers. But I wouldnt change it for anything.

So for someone to suggest that it is beyond understanding why I would be pissed or even displeased... I cant give an answer... simply because we do not reciprocate the same level of passion.
- jak521

Your just tired of watching other teams and previous players skating around with the cup while you continue to wait. Thats the luck of the Flyers that they would trade those two players and now they have a chance to win while the Flyers have to wait (which we expected with the changes) but it stings because you would like to see both trades work but not that fast for the Kings. Just seems unlucky. If the Kings win then they deserve it but that doesnt mean everyone has to cheer for them.

It's because we knew, or atleast I knew that the Flyers were making the deals for the future. And there was a good chance the team would take a step back, in order to be better in the future. The Kings winning it doesn't change that perspective for me. And I harbor no ill will towards Richards and Carter.
- MJL

You are so stuck on this bull poop ill will bit.

Its not about ill will. Its about it happening they way it is happening. Richards gets traded to a team... sucks for most of the season. Carter goes to another team completely against his will, acts totally unprofessional, suffers injuries throughout a terrible season. Whines and cries enough to get traded to the same team Richards is on. Now.. not even a year removed from all of the turn around.. they are looking like they will take the cup.

To me.. right now.. it sucks. Ultimately I know we have a better team because of it.. but I so wanted Richards and Carter to skate that (frank)ing cup around OUR RINK. Wearing OUR COLORS. Parading in OUR CITY.

I hope the best for them.. but I refuse to cheer them on. Not yet..

I think the Flyers need to do a better job of defending in their own end. Too many breakdowns and players being left wide open. We seen it all year long and in the playoffs.
- stveshdy

I don't think it's a talent issue, I think it's coaching and execution.

I don't understand why you can't allow other fans to have their own FEELINGS (heck, we're not even at opinion level here) without browbeating them. Let them like/hate/be disappointed/be glad/be mad for heaven's sake. Being unhappy about frick and frack going to the finals as poop all to do with how they feel about the Flyers team and its future.
- bodiva88

I don't have anything to do with allowing or not allowing anyone to have their own feelings. Am I not allowed to have my own feelings about the situation? Am I not allowed to post my point of view and feelings on the matter? I don't get what your issue is here.

It svcks because the flyers never seem to have things work out for them. I would rather the flyers win a cup or few before Richards and Carter do. I am not lamenting the trades and would do them again if it was ever my choice
I like my TV just the way it is and a chair getting thrown through it after listening to any number of story lines and narratives from national broadcasters next season will be brutal if LA wins.

I don't understand why you don't understand how this could be a fan's standing.
- bird_dog

Thats just a whole'nother thing I havent even started to get into. I hate losing. I hate losing more than I enjoy winning (most of the time). So when we lost I was really pissed. This just compounds it.

And if LA does win.. having to hear how they WON that trade, and how it was only a matter of time before Richards won that elusive last piece of hardware... nah, Ill pass.

I don't think it's a talent issue, I think it's coaching and execution.
- funmaster18

No question. Its the opponents job to make it hard to execute. Adjustments need to be made to put your players in better situations.

I don't think it's a talent issue, I think it's coaching and execution.
- funmaster18

I would say execution was a huge part of the Flyers defensive failures. Injuries and inexperience hurt them a lot in the NJ series.

Richards has been solid but Carter not as much. He was never good in the playoffs for us either though.

Basically what I'm saying is that Richards and Carter were integral to our success here. In LA they have lesser roles. Brown, Kopitar and Quick are the guys that make the Kings the team they are.
- NickTheKid87

I disagree. Carter, Richards, Doughty, Williams, Penner, Mitchell, Scuderi, among others are all intergral parts of that team. And it takes a team.

He's never been good enough in the playoffs. Part of the reason he couldn't be a core player here. You need those kinds of guys to step up. Jeff Carter career in the playoffs: 61 GP, 17 G, 13 A, 30 PTS, -12, 3 GWG. That's not good enough for a talent like him.
- NickTheKid87

Just because a player hasn't produced well in the past in the playoffs, doesn't mean he won't in the future. The NHL is full of players who got better in the playoffs as they got older.

kings fan in phx blog:

Take away all the BS and the nonsense and that was the exact game I thought it would be.... excellent game from the Yotes. I believe the kings were outplayed and if richards didn't pot that rebound I would be killing him for making backhand passes through the middle like he was trying to keep a purse on his arm...




i chuckled

It svcks because the flyers never seem to have things work out for them. I would rather the flyers win a cup or few before Richards and Carter do. I am not lamenting the trades and would do them again if it was ever my choice
I like my TV just the way it is and a chair getting thrown through it after listening to any number of story lines and narratives from national broadcasters next season will be brutal if LA wins.

I don't understand why you don't understand how this could be a fan's standing.
- bird_dog

I do understand the frustration of being a fan of a team that hasn't won a Cup in a long time. I share that frustration. But my point is that with the trades made my perspective changed. And I knew that a little bit of patience might be needed in the now and that the future was bright. And the KIngs winning it all with Richards and Carter doesn't change that perspective. Nor does it add to the furstration for me of the Flyers not winning the Cup is a while. I truly beleive we'll have a top team in a year or two.

I disagree. Carter, Richards, Doughty, Williams, Penner, Mitchell, Scuderi, among others are all intergral parts of that team. And it takes a team.
- MJL

I'm saying Richards and Carter had much bigger roles with the Flyers. The team was built around them. LA is built around Quick and Kopitar. Kings are hot too.

You are so stuck on this bull poop ill will bit.

Its not about ill will. Its about it happening they way it is happening. Richards gets traded to a team... sucks for most of the season. Carter goes to another team completely against his will, acts totally unprofessional, suffers injuries throughout a terrible season. Whines and cries enough to get traded to the same team Richards is on. Now.. not even a year removed from all of the turn around.. they are looking like they will take the cup.

To me.. right now.. it sucks. Ultimately I know we have a better team because of it.. but I so wanted Richards and Carter to skate that (frank)ing cup around OUR RINK. Wearing OUR COLORS. Parading in OUR CITY.

I hope the best for them.. but I refuse to cheer them on. Not yet..
- jak521

I'm not stuck on anything. LOL

I don't agree with your take on Richards and especially not on Carter. And for many there is ill will towards Carter and Richards. That continues on this board to this day. But you say I'm stuck on bull poop! LOL

I doesn't suck for me. I'm happy for Richards and Carter if they win it all.

Just because a player hasn't produced well in the past in the playoffs, doesn't mean he won't in the future. The NHL is full of players who got better in the playoffs as they got older.
- MJL

Carter has been in the playoffs every year of his career but 1. 61 games is a pretty good sample size.

I'm saying Richards and Carter had much bigger roles with the Flyers. The team was built around them. LA is built around Quick and Kopitar. Kings are hot too.
- NickTheKid87

They took on 2 players signed to 11 and 12 year contracts.

I do understand the frustration of being a fan of a team that hasn't won a Cup in a long time. I share that frustration. But my point is that with the trades made my perspective changed. And I knew that a little bit of patience might be needed in the now and that the future was bright. And the KIngs winning it all with Richards and Carter doesn't change that perspective. Nor does it add to the furstration for me of the Flyers not winning the Cup is a while. I truly beleive we'll have a top team in a year or two.
- MJL

I agree but it still stings people that those two get traded and have a chance to win the cup. Some people dont like it and dont want to see it happen. Just seems very unlucky for Flyers fans. Our team played well this year considering all the changes and they will be good in the future. I like what the Flyers have done but it still hurts some fans to watch Richards and Carter win the cup the same year as the trades went down.

In saying that it would suck if LA wins the cup personally for me is more of a expression of speech.
As passionate as I am a hockey fan, my wife, and family and friends are all much more important.
I don't lose sleep over losses or playoff eliminations
or mope about the next day, life goes on.

The future is bright for the Flyers i agree but's it's still not a guarantee.

Carter has been in the playoffs every year of his career but 1. 61 games is a pretty good sample size.
- NickTheKid87

Yes it is a good sample size. But it doesn't mean that Carter can't produce better in the playoffs in the future.