Those guys have never played up to those contracts and not many players could especially Carter. At least Richards is a elite penalty killer. If he can score 65+ points consistently than he's well worth it. Carter on the other hand is streaky. He scores a lot of goals but he takes a lot of shots plus disappears in the playoffs. 10 years is a long time to be stuck with a player like that.
- NickTheKid87

plus we are all streaky posters....
one day BOOM, several....
other days - lurking in the shadows.

having a long contract is tough...look at Pujols in MLB. he has gotten off to a rough start and he's hearing it. Now matter that he has been a very very good player. It's not about the past it's all about the future when it comes to sports.

You suggested the kings keep carter as long as they are a contending team. Just looking for clarification because carter. I think carter an luong are very similar. They are streaky and come up small in the playoffs. I'm just wondering if carter should remain on the kings because they are a contending team, then shouldnt Luongo, by that logic?
- funmaster18

No, I said as long as the Kings are a contending team, I don't see why they would feel they had to shake up the team. I think Carter is starting new in LA, and is playing well for them.

plus we are all streaky posters....
one day BOOM, several....
other days - lurking in the shadows.

having a long contract is tough...look at Pujols in MLB. he has gotten off to a rough start and he's hearing it. Now matter that he has been a very very good player. It's not about the past it's all about the future when it comes to sports.
- phi1671

Kind of. Players are paid for their past performance. Look at John Leclair's last big contract with the Flyers. That was based on what he'd done. He didn't come close to the production he had prior to that contract.

No, I said as long as the Kings are a contending team, I don't see why they would feel they had to shake up the team. I think Carter is starting new in LA, and is playing well for them.
- MJL

Too far away to hide out & sulk in Sea Isle.



(This was sarcasm, please don't hate me, MJL)

Kind of. Players are paid for their past performance. Look at John Leclair's last big contract with the Flyers. That was based on what he'd done. He didn't come close to the production he had prior to that contract.
- Flyskippy

yeah he got paid from the past...and then kaboom...back problems...dam it

No, I said as long as the Kings are a contending team, I don't see why they would feel they had to shake up the team. I think Carter is starting new in LA, and is playing well for them.
- MJL

I think you wording was a bit confusing. As for shaking up the team, I don't think trading Carter would be considered shaking up the team. He's only been there, what, 3 months or so? I can see them wanting to keep him at least another, though. I don't see carter as a deadline deal trade for just a cup run. He's not explosive enough offensively yet in the post season. I think they traded for him for the long haul. There were other options out there for a short fix. The kings have a lot of talented forwards and with Quick in net, I think they are set for a while, with or without Carter.

Kind of. Players are paid for their past performance. Look at John Leclair's last big contract with the Flyers. That was based on what he'd done. He didn't come close to the production he had prior to that contract.
- Flyskippy

Pay a player based on what his production will be not what he has done in the past. Thats something that should be considered sometimes. However, its not my money so who cares.

No, I said as long as the Kings are a contending team, I don't see why they would feel they had to shake up the team. I think Carter is starting new in LA, and is playing well for them.
- MJL

wasn't Carter starting new in Columbus and he had his moments that he was playing well for them? But, Columbus still traded him away and shook up the team once again.

I disagree completely with that. Both players have been very, very good players their entire careers. This term streaky needs to be looked at also. Other then the most consistent goal scorers and superstars such as Stamkos, Malkin, Crosby. All goal scorers are streaky.
- MJL

Not streaky in goals per say but in overall effectiveness. For a guy of his talent, he is invisible far too often. A $5.75 million cap hit until 2020 for Richards and a $5.27 cap hit for Carter until 2022 can be tough to swallow. Right now, as younger players, it's not bad but as the get older these contracts get worse and worse. I would only want a contract of that length if it were a superstar.

Pay a player based on what his production will be not what he has done in the past. Thats something that should be considered sometimes. However, its not my money so who cares.
- stveshdy

As long as there are owners/GM's willing to overpay for someone like Martin Lapointe (as Boston did, after 1 good year in which he was placed on Fedorov's line in Detroit), there will always be a system of paying for what was done, not potential. There are exceptions, of course.

Pay a player based on what his production will be not what he has done in the past. Thats something that should be considered sometimes. However, its not my money so who cares.
- stveshdy

How is this possible without a crystal ball?

plus we are all streaky posters....
one day BOOM, several....
other days - lurking in the shadows.

having a long contract is tough...look at Pujols in MLB. he has gotten off to a rough start and he's hearing it. Now matter that he has been a very very good player. It's not about the past it's all about the future when it comes to sports.
- phi1671

Hockey players age quicker than baseball players though. Most peak between 26-29 while baseball players are around 28-32. There is nothing that suggests that Carter and Richards will get that much better.

How is this possible without a crystal ball?
- funmaster18

True. Mike Maneluk was supposed to be the next member of the Legion of Doom. Thankfully, he was not signed like one before that season started.

Hockey players age quicker than baseball players though. Most peak between 26-29 while baseball players are around 28-32. There is nothing that suggests that Carter and Richards will get that much better.
- NickTheKid87

Yzerman was severely criticized in Detroit after the 1995 Cup Final loss to NJ. He was 30 then. He didn't necessarily get better, but his Cup wins after that hushed the critics. So much so that it's nearly forgotten.

How is this possible without a crystal ball?
- funmaster18

Easy. Basically what you due is orbit the object with the most mass, in this case a black hole. After a year goes by in our starship, head back to Earth. It think it'll be 80 years in the future. Find out what the player did. Unfortunately we know of know ways to go BACK in time so this plan is half baked.

Yzerman was severely criticized in Detroit after the 1995 Cup Final loss to NJ. He was 30 then. He didn't necessarily get better, but his Cup wins after that hushed the critics. So much so that it's nearly forgotten.
- Flyskippy

Yzerman is a HOFer though. He's much better than Richards and Carter ever were and probably ever will be. He's more of an exception than the rule.

How is this possible without a crystal ball?
- funmaster18

You evaluate the players age and what you think their potential will be from there out. Why overpay for a 35 year old player (just an example) who will be on the downside of their career.

True. Mike Maneluk was supposed to be the next member of the Legion of Doom. Thankfully, he was not signed like one before that season started.
- Flyskippy

Hey hey hey, he did have a monster playoffs and had great success on the phantoms championship season.

Easy. Basically what you due is orbit the object with the most mass, in this case a black hole. After a year goes by in our starship, head back to Earth. It think it'll be 80 years in the future. Find out what the player did. Unfortunately we know of know ways to go BACK in time so this plan is half baked.
- NickTheKid87

Not bad. But I dont believe overpaying for a one year player such as a Leino. He fits this description perfectly to what I am trying to say. Older player (to finally break through) who hit his max potential. I for one did not see him being worth that money and suggested to let him go and use his money elsewhere. I'm sure others also felt this way.

You evaluate the players age and what you think their potential will be from there out. Why overpay for a 35 year old player (just an example) who will be on the downside of their career.
- stveshdy

I think most players over 35 are already paid with the realization they may break down?

I think most players over 35 are already paid with the realization they may break down?
- funmaster18

Leino is my example above.

Not bad. But I dont believe overpaying for a one year player such as a Leino. He fits this description perfectly to what I am trying to say. Older player who hit his max potential. I for one did not see him being worth that money and suggested to let him go and use his money elsewhere. I'm sure others also felt this way.
- stveshdy

Of course. Leino's contract is terrible but that's because of the market. Kopecky signed that deal with Florida and that set the bar for average, aging, mostly unproven wingers. I think most guys are overpaid except superstars like Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, etc. It's just a matter of how badly they were overpaid.

Not bad. But I dont believe overpaying for a one year player such as a Leino. He fits this description perfectly to what I am trying to say. Older player (to finally break through) who hit his max potential. I for one did not see him being worth that money and suggested to let him go and use his money elsewhere. I'm sure others also felt this way.
- stveshdy

I think buffalo may have been the only team that was willing to pay him that much. You can't pay for what you don't know so lying for future production is impossible. You have to pay for what they've done and take into account what you think they can do and I think this is generally how it's done. Do you get hired for a job based on experience and a resume or what you tell them you are going to accomplish later?

Hey hey hey, he did have a monster playoffs and had great success on the phantoms championship season.
- bird_dog

I know. I wished he'd been given another 10 games before they traded him that year (1998-99, though they brought him back the following year to the Phantoms IIRC), because I really liked his play. I was at the '98 Cup Final game when they won.

Hey hey hey, he did have a monster playoffs and had great success on the phantoms championship season.
- bird_dog

so did Todd Bergen