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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 22 @ 3:38 PM ET
I just hope the Flyers don't vastly over pay for Suter like someone will. It is of my opinion that at 5.5-6, Suter is a very good defenseman. But at 6.5-7.5, he is an overpaid cap busting defenseman. And if the Flyers pay him that , the moment they see that he is of course a solid all around player, but not overly physical, and not really a "shut down" guy, they will turn on him faster than you can say Matt Carle.

I would still love to have him on the Flyers. But most people who are not HB posters seem to think Suter is something he is not. Sure he played great in the Olympics without Weber, but the other d-men Team USA had were no slouches either. I just wonder legitimately how much of his great play is because he is great, and how much of it is because he is the partner of the arguably most dominating d-man in hockey. It is basically the Carle argument, but for 2 million dollars more per season lol.

The answer for both is somewhere in the middle. And we have seen Carle play long stretches without Pronger and be very good. Personally, Ill take Carle at 5-5.5, over Suter at 6.5-7.5.

- MBFlyerfan


Agreed. Suter is not the answer. He would be nice to have but he's just a upgraded version of Matt Carle. Go for Weber if at all possible. Otherwise bring Carle back a sign I guy like Bryce Salvador or Bryan Allen.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 22 @ 3:40 PM ET
Tough choice really need to be made not only this summer but the next. Who wouldn't want a player like Zach Parise? I personally would welcome him with open arms but this is only if we have to move players like JvR or Voracek for an upgrade on defense. I know it's odd that I would only take Parise to replace one of our young guns but Parise will cost a pretty Penny.

At the same time Suter will be a UFA this summer and Weber the next's. Who wouldn't want these 2 Dmen? The Flyers could use either one or both.

- roenick97

I think ZP will go to the rags
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 22 @ 3:40 PM ET
I think ZP will go to the rags
- aightwebang17



shut.

up.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 3:41 PM ET
I think ZP will go to the rags
- aightwebang17


I don't know, think he's willing to move that far?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 22 @ 3:41 PM ET
Agreed. Suter is not the answer. He would be nice to have but he's just a upgraded version of Matt Carle. Go for Weber if at all possible. Otherwise bring Carle back a sign I guy like Bryce Salvador or Bryan Allen.
- NickTheKid87


Weber is a game changer. There is no one save Giroux and Couturier I wouldn't deal to get him. And then give him the max. Weber is the protypical franchise dman.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 22 @ 3:42 PM ET
I don't know, think he's willing to move that far?
- funmaster18



it is really far
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

May 22 @ 3:42 PM ET
Agreed. Suter is not the answer. He would be nice to have but he's just a upgraded version of Matt Carle. Go for Weber if at all possible. Otherwise bring Carle back a sign I guy like Bryce Salvador or Bryan Allen.
- NickTheKid87

Seems sad but moving forward the guys that seem to be a lock to stick around are Coburn and Grossman. A year ago it was Pronger, Coburn, Carle and Meszaros long term but the Pronger injury really hurt a lot of future plans and the end of Timonen's contract is becoming more and more real.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 3:43 PM ET
Agreed. Suter is not the answer. He would be nice to have but he's just a upgraded version of Matt Carle. Go for Weber if at all possible. Otherwise bring Carle back a sign I guy like Bryce Salvador or Bryan Allen.
- NickTheKid87


Celebrates empty net goals too enthusiastically, IMO.
keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

May 22 @ 3:44 PM ET
Don't worry guys, Giroux's wrists are feelin fine...


roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

May 22 @ 3:44 PM ET
I think ZP will go to the rags
- aightwebang17

Like I've stated, he'd be nice to have but he's not a must for the Flyers. I feel this off season should be based around re-signing RFA's and upgrading the D.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 22 @ 3:47 PM ET
Don't worry guys, Giroux's wrists are feelin fine...



- keatondixon

Watch out, season two of Dry Island is coming this fall
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 22 @ 3:48 PM ET
Don't worry guys, Giroux's wrists are feelin fine...



- keatondixon


Richards 2.0
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 3:50 PM ET
Watch out, season two of Dry Island is coming this fall
- BulliesPhan87


The real tragedy here is that they are drinking coors light.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 3:53 PM ET
Richards 2.0
- NickTheKid87


Richards wishes he could find hot babes like that in LA.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 22 @ 3:53 PM ET
The real tragedy here is that they are drinking coors light.
- funmaster18

The best is as follows:



aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 22 @ 3:55 PM ET
The best is as follows:




- Giroux_Is_God

keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

May 22 @ 3:56 PM ET
The real tragedy here is that they are drinking coors light.
- funmaster18

The Coors light isn't the biggest concern considering he is hanging with douchebags and chicks who could pass for zoo animals...
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 3:58 PM ET
The Coors light isn't the biggest concern considering he is hanging with douchebags and chicks who could pass for zoo animals...
- keatondixon


Well, Carter was a douchebag. Giroux just hangs out with them. I'd say that's a step in the right direction, no?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 22 @ 3:59 PM ET
The Coors light isn't the biggest concern considering he is hanging with douchebags and chicks who could pass for zoo animals...
- keatondixon

Yeah, not sure who that 'clip on tie' is next to him.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 4:04 PM ET
Yeah, not sure who that 'clip on tie' is next to him.
- BulliesPhan87


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 4:09 PM ET
I don't know the answer - but what is the average salary of the highest paid 6 d-men and the average salary of the highest paid 12 forwards?

My gut tells me that D has always been a priority, especially after we traded for Grossmann, Pronger, Timmo, Mezaros, Kubina, Carle, Coburn, etc.

Truth of the matter is that we lack an elite forward for Giroux. Don't give him that clip on tie. Plenty of 1-2 punches (2 elite forwards) through NHL history that have won cups.

Crosby - Malkin
Zetterburg - Datsyuk
Kane - Toews
Gretzy - Messier
Jagr - Lemieux

Let's make history in Philadelphia sports. I agree with getting Weber if at all possible, but otherwise Parise should be the only option.

- Daman



The average salary of the D men and forwards is irrelevant. Right now the biggest need is the defense. Giroux did just fine without an elite forward. And how does a forward become elite? Over time. Draft picks develop into elite forwards sometimes. have some patience and let's stop going for quick fixes and let these forwards grow.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 22 @ 4:09 PM ET
Yeah, not sure who that 'clip on tie' is next to him.
- BulliesPhan87


I just read your one and only blog from 2010, lol. Felt like I was at the game, nice work.
keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

May 22 @ 4:10 PM ET
Well, Carter was a douchebag. Giroux just hangs out with them. I'd say that's a step in the right direction, no?
- funmaster18

When you surround yourself with douchebags you will eventually become one also ...it's like a disease ...hopefully it's not too late for G
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 22 @ 4:13 PM ET
I just read your one and only blog from 2010, lol. Felt like I was at the game, nice work.
- funmaster18

Dude, it was intense. I never got to write up the rest of the season, but the Flyers went on to beat the Vancouver Canucks (complete in the 'Flash Gordon bad guys' uniforms) to win the cup. It was a non-stop adrenaline flow, which eventually became hazardous to my health. I was forced to retire from NHL video games, consequently.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 22 @ 4:29 PM ET
When you surround yourself with douchebags you will eventually become one also ...it's like a disease ...hopefully it's not too late for G
- keatondixon



Does that mean I am doomed by posting on this message board?
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