Is Boston really looking to unload Lucic?
- StLBravesFan

No. we're just smoking tons of grass and pipe dreaming here.

No. we're just smoking tons of grass and pipe dreaming here.
- eburgio

I think wonthecup10 had a bit too much, because he had some real trade doozies. Unless thats just how he always is....

what worries me with hossa is at his age and the severity of certain injuries could take things away from him....i just hope we get the same big hos back.

I think wonthecup10 had a bit too much, because he had some real trade doozies. Unless thats just how he always is....
- Rally_Shots

his posts make me think that he drinks a lot of Five Hour Energy. No offense to him if he reads this

No. we're just smoking tons of grass and pipe dreaming here.
- eburgio

Absolutely , we were just looking for what we'd want back for Kane , Lucic might be my favorite NHL player , super bad ass with some scoring touch , weould be perfect for a lot of teams.

what worries me with hossa is at his age and the severity of certain injuries could take things away from him....i just hope we get the same big hos back.
- southernhawk

I've always liked Hossa so I hope hes alright. Good to hear the Hawks arent going to rush his recovery and attempt to get him back for the first game of the season.

his posts make me think that he drinks a lot of Five Hour Energy. No offense to him if he reads this
- eburgio

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

Cocaine is a hell of a drug
- Rally_Shots

Im rick james female dog !

Absolutely , we were just looking for what we'd want back for Kane , Lucic might be my favorite NHL player , super bad ass with some scoring touch , weould be perfect for a lot of teams.
- mrpaulish

I have a couple buddies on my softball team who are loud mouth Bostonians and while it's not their decision if Lucic stays or goes, they were saying fans get pretty tired of his act. Sounds like Buff and Bickell to an extent, when he wants to play physical and is motivated, he's tough to stop, but rarely does he play with a red a$$, takes dumb penalties, etc.

I have a couple buddies on my softball team who are loud mouth Bostonians and while it's not their decision if Lucic stays or goes, they were saying fans get pretty tired of his act. Sounds like Buff and Bickell to an extent, when he wants to play physical and is motivated, he's tough to stop, but rarely does he play with a red a$$, takes dumb penalties, etc.
- eburgio

I usually can only see 5 Bruins games max but when I do he's awesome. And as ive said like 50 times this chit chat is only if the Hawks have decided that Kane is gone. When you've embarassed Rocky and the Marketing department no matter who you are they think you're replaceable.

Im rick james female dog !
- mrpaulish

I usually can only see 5 Bruins games max but when I do he's awesome. And as ive said like 50 times this chit chat is only if the Hawks have decided that Kane is gone. When you've embarassed Rocky and the Marketing department no matter who you are they think you're replaceable.
- mrpaulish

I'm with you. I don't watch much of them, but whenever I do, he doesn't stand out as being a moron. THen again, everyone lusts over Buff for his playoff heroics and turn a blind eye to his lapses on D while here, lack of motivation, etc. So who knows. Grass is always greener, I suppose

I have a couple buddies on my softball team who are loud mouth Bostonians and while it's not their decision if Lucic stays or goes, they were saying fans get pretty tired of his act. Sounds like Buff and Bickell to an extent, when he wants to play physical and is motivated, he's tough to stop, but rarely does he play with a red a$$, takes dumb penalties, etc.
- eburgio

I'm in Boston quite often and have alot of friends from the area. I think most reasonable fans dont want him gone. Many are just frustrated over losing in the first round, they have to get a grip and realize they arent going to win the cup every year.

I'm in Boston quite often and have alot of friends from the area. I think most reasonable fans dont want him gone. Many are just frustrated over losing in the first round, they have to get a grip and realize they arent going to win the cup every year.
- Rally_Shots

this is true. remember when pro sports teams in boston sucked? them were fun times. at least the cynical a-holes up there had a reason to be salty during that time.

It would be an absolute shame if Hossa retired.

To see a class act star player like Hossa have his career ended by a POS like Torres just should not happen.

In the playoffs, year after year, big men stand out: Byfuglien, Lucic, now Penner.

The truth is, big physical teams do better in the playoffs than speed/finesse teams because the game is much more tightly checked and the pounding wears down the smaller guys faster.

This is where a guy like Kane loses value. He has dazzling skill and vision, but the more physical it gets, the more marginalized (literally and figuratively) he becomes. The best case with Kane is to have a Byfuglien or a Brouwer on his line. Not just to provide protection but to go into the corners and create space without disrupting the flow of the play. Right now, that guy is Carcillo, not as good a player as Byf or Brouwer, but the best you have to fill that role.

The other issue is that after the Cup, the Hawks got weaker in net, and on D. If that team had a weakness, it was down the middle—center.

Other than Toews, no player on the Hawks brings more in trade to fill those holes than Kane does. No other top chips are both as tradeable AND expendable as Kane is.

The off-ice issues are another wrinkle. How bad are they? Can they get worse? Believe me, we can debate it here, but the Hawks likely know (good or bad). And regardless, the issues certainly undermine a brand the team spends millions on—that last fact is without question.

If Hossa and Sharp are healthy, Kane becomes somewhat expendable. If Shaw can be a 20+ goal scorer on the wing, as it appears he can, if Saad is close to what he's being hyped as, Kane becomes even more expendable.

Is it a slam dunk smart trade? No. It carries risk that the guys you get back won't perform as you expect or Kane will become a boy scout and blossom into an all-time great.

But there is a logic to trading Kane that is undeniable. I will say this, if Kane is not dealt and the Hawks don't find some other way to do some kind of makeover this summer, I will bet you right now we are having this same discussion, watching four other teams in the conference finals at this time next year.

You might call him a total waste of space, but the Hawks best option there might be Carcillo. He is not without hockey sense and skill and he provides protection on that line no one else on the team can. Bollig can't play there. Shaw is tough but not as tough as Carcillo.

The Hawks might need a policeman for Toews for the rest of his career, the tougher the better. Right now, unless they got a Lucic type, that's Carcillo.
- John Jaeckel

Sadly Carrillo is no better than a fourth liner that can occasionally move up and down the lines. I know the hawks PR machine wants fans to think he's more than that but he is not. JJ, you of all people, please don't believe last seasons Carcillo hype. I like the energy he brings and the ability to get under opponents skin...... But saying he has the ability to be on the first line consistently is like saying Max Talbot is a first line player (and he's more skilled than carbomb)......he's not. I hope the hawks make adjustments to the roster so this does not end up being the case. You are right about Toews needing a bruiser on that top line to protect him though.

In the playoffs, year after year, big men stand out: Byfuglien, Lucic, now Penner.

The truth is, big physical teams do better in the playoffs than speed/finesse teams because the game is much more tightly checked and the pounding wears down the smaller guys faster.

This is where a guy like Kane loses value. He has dazzling skill and vision, but the more physical it gets, the more marginalized (literally and figuratively) he becomes. The best case with Kane is to have a Byfuglien or a Brouwer on his line. Not just to provide protection but to go into the corners and create space without disrupting the flow of the play. Right now, that guy is Carcillo, not as good a player as Byf or Brouwer, but the best you have to fill that role.

The other issue is that after the Cup, the Hawks got weaker in net, and on D. If that team had a weakness, it was down the middle—center.

Other than Toews, no player on the Hawks brings more in trade to fill those holes than Kane does. No other top chips are both as tradeable AND expendable as Kane is.

The off-ice issues are another wrinkle. How bad are they? Can they get worse? Believe me, we can debate it here, but the Hawks likely know (good or bad). And regardless, the issues certainly undermine a brand the team spends millions on—that last fact is without question.

If Hossa and Sharp are healthy, Kane becomes somewhat expendable. If Shaw can be a 20+ goal scorer on the wing, as it appears he can, if Saad is close to what he's being hyped as, Kane becomes even more expendable.

Is it a slam dunk smart trade? No. It carries risk that the guys you get back won't perform as you expect or Kane will become a boy scout and blossom into an all-time great.

But there is a logic to trading Kane that is undeniable. I will say this, if Kane is not dealt and the Hawks don't find some other way to do some kind of makeover this summer, I will bet you right now we are having this same discussion, watching four other teams in the conference finals at this time next year.
- John Jaeckel

OK , so if they have decided to trade KANE , are we going to have a Northeast bidding war or is there a certin team that stands out as a trade partner ?

It would be an absolute shame if Hossa retired.

To see a class act star player like Hossa have his career ended by a POS like Torres just should not happen.
- maaddmike

Here is what I have heard: if he recovers 100%, he will play again. Just a matter of when. But that is, IF, he recovers to 100%.

If his career is going to be Crosby- Lindros- LaFontaine-like (playing 20 games then getting tapped and missing 40), he will retire.

I don't think there will be a "retirement" decision before much of this season is over. But he might not be back at 100% until well into the season. It all depends on how he recovers/progresses.

In the playoffs, year after year, big men stand out: Byfuglien, Lucic, now Penner.

The truth is, big physical teams do better in the playoffs than speed/finesse teams because the game is much more tightly checked and the pounding wears down the smaller guys faster.

This is where a guy like Kane loses value. He has dazzling skill and vision, but the more physical it gets, the more marginalized (literally and figuratively) he becomes. The best case with Kane is to have a Byfuglien or a Brouwer on his line. Not just to provide protection but to go into the corners and create space without disrupting the flow of the play. Right now, that guy is Carcillo, not as good a player as Byf or Brouwer, but the best you have to fill that role.

The other issue is that after the Cup, the Hawks got weaker in net, and on D. If that team had a weakness, it was down the middle—center.

Other than Toews, no player on the Hawks brings more in trade to fill those holes than Kane does. No other top chips are both as tradeable AND expendable as Kane is.

The off-ice issues are another wrinkle. How bad are they? Can they get worse? Believe me, we can debate it here, but the Hawks likely know (good or bad). And regardless, the issues certainly undermine a brand the team spends millions on—that last fact is without question.

If Hossa and Sharp are healthy, Kane becomes somewhat expendable. If Shaw can be a 20+ goal scorer on the wing, as it appears he can, if Saad is close to what he's being hyped as, Kane becomes even more expendable.

Is it a slam dunk smart trade? No. It carries risk that the guys you get back won't perform as you expect or Kane will become a boy scout and blossom into an all-time great.

But there is a logic to trading Kane that is undeniable. I will say this, if Kane is not dealt and the Hawks don't find some other way to do some kind of makeover this summer, I will bet you right now we are having this same discussion, watching four other teams in the conference finals at this time next year.
- John Jaeckel

One of the best posts I've read on this site

Can Nashville give a team permission to talk to Suter before trading his rights - if I'm buying the rights, I would want to know that at least Suter would have an interest in signing with me - or do I have to buy the rights blind?
- StLBravesFan

On a lesser scale, that's what Buf/Chi did last year with Monty. He was going to be a UFA and his rights were traded to the 'Hawks on 6/29 for the same 7th rounder they got from Fla in the Kopecky deal 2 days earlier. The 'Hawks then signed Monty on 6/30.

Sadly Carrillo is no better than a fourth liner that can occasionally move up and down the lines. I know the hawks PR machine wants fans to think he's more than that but he is not. JJ, you of all people, please don't believe last seasons Carcillo hype. I like the energy he brings and the ability to get under opponents skin...... But saying he has the ability to be on the first line consistently is like saying Max Talbot is a first line player (and he's more skilled than carbomb)......he's not. I hope the hawks make adjustments to the roster so this does not end up being the case. You are right about Toews needing a bruiser on that top line to protect him though.
- moylander

Read above. I don't think he is the player Brouwer or Byfuglien is.

You are allowing a couple of things to cloud your judgement. A lot of guys, if they know how to play without disrupting the flow, can play with Kane and Toews. In truth, Philadelphia did not have quite that much talent on its top line. It didn't. I don't think Carcillo is remotely "ideal" there, but I think you want a guy who can go into the corners, create space, make a pass and if necessary put a beating on someone (or provide the threat) if they mess with Toews or Kane. Toews, IMO, will need a bodyguard going forward. He is WAY too valuable for this team to lose and the concussions are now something they need to guard against. In that regard, Kane for Lucic (in some form) makes more and more sense, again assuming you can also acquire/develop some talent to play on the other wing. Until something liek that happens though, Carcillo is the guy. Bickell is really a scorer only. He's a little like Stalberg, can skate and shoot, but not always the smartest player in termsof positioning and working within the play. Carcillo is not bad there. And Bickell is almost no threat to enforce.

One of the best posts I've read on this site
- moylander

Thanks

Ed Belfour , Grant Fuhr , Hextall
- mrpaulish

How 'bout Billy Smith ??

Read above. I don't think he is the player Brouwer or Byfuglien is.

You are allowing a couple of things to cloud your judgement. A lot of guys, if they know how to play without disrupting the flow, can play with Kane and Toews. In truth, Philadelphia did not have quite that much talent on its top line. It didn't. I don't think Carcillo is remotely "ideal" there, but I think you want a guy who can go into the corners, create space, make a pass and if necessary put a beating on someone (or provide the threat) if they mess with Toews or Kane. Toews, IMO, will need a bodyguard going forward. He is WAY too valuable for this team to lose and the concussions are now something they need to guard against. In that regard, Kane for Lucic (in some form) makes more and more sense, again assuming you can also acquire/develop some talent to play on the other wing. Until something liek that happens though, Carcillo is the guy. Bickell is really a scorer only. He's a little like Stalberg, can skate and shoot, but not always the smartest player in termsof positioning and working within the play. Carcillo is not bad there. And Bickell is almost no threat to enforce.
- John Jaeckel

I think we are in agreement. Big difference is Philly has Hartnell and Simmonds to protect the smaller players like Briere and Giroux. That's why Carcillo wasn't used much in the top 6. You're certainly right that Carcillo is not 'ideal' up there and that someone is needed to be Toews bodyguard...... but if Carcillo is on the top line come October the hawks have had a terrible offseason. Jmo.