Isnt he a passer fatty?
- nickmo2699

Yes

Colorado needs a goal scorer and some veteran leadership. Works out well for everyone. Plus the Hawks get a guy who is strong on the puck and solid at the dot that Q loves about as much as Bolland.

Toews/Statsny/Bolland/Kruger OR veteran acquisition is an impressive run up the middle. And Kane can fill in at C if someone gets hurt or Kruger or Shaw or someone from Rockford if its a bottom line player.

Makes room for Frolik or Stalberg to cement themselves as top 6 players and if they want to give Saad a shot this year they have that flexibility.

And if they move Hammer (and/or Frolik) and there is a decent enough kicker they have room for Suter (predicated on him making 6.5 for forever) and maybe 2 veteran forwards who should have something left in the tank that can either be acquired in free agency or trading picks / prospects.

Here is my trade scenario of the day:

Option # 1. Kane + Montador to Pitt for Stall, Dupuis, Orpik
(gives us 2cd line big center in Stall, Dupuis is a nice solid player, and Orpik is a tough big minute Dman)

Option #2 . Sharp + Saad + Monty to Pitt for Stall, Dupuis, Orpik

Im not saying Lucic is available but what if Boston wanted Kane the hawks wanted Lucic and the Bruins said fine but you HAVE to take Rask too, id still make that deal Crawford is not really good , at all.
- mrpaulish

If the Bruins believe Rask is their #1 of the future they won't make the deal.

Plus as I said a few times...

If the Hawks trade Kane they need to become a different type of team....My view is they need to change somewhat anyway.

If the Bruins trade Lucic the same can be said...They might have other tough guys but not 60 point scorer tough guys who can steamroll players and still provide offense.

I don't see Kane as having MANY 50 goal seasons...maybe many 30 goal seasons....but for some reason the Boston guys like bickell alot..Kane + Bickell for Lucic and task or thomas
- southernhawk

Martin St Louis type production I think you should see out of him as he matures if he can string it all together. Same type of player (size wise), same kind of skill set. Assuming everyone is healthy and they have a capable second line (center doesn't matter just productive and the third line shows up for more than 20 games) 90 points should be the bar.


Him and Toews healthy for a whole year with a solid second line I think gets Toews pushing the 40 gaol mark as long as whoever on the left side isn't a total waste of space.

Few things

-Definitely not disputing JJ on Hossa pondering the thought of hanging up the skates but unless the concussion is really that bad, I just don't see that happening. He still has a ton of money left on that deal and I just can't see him retiring right now. I hope he's good to go at the start of next season.

-The Patrick Kane thing has died down so unless the Hawks are being extremely tight lipped I doubt he's going anywhere for the time being.

-Still at the end of the day I see this team upgrading their defense first and foremost. I'm not anticipating any big changes when it comes to the forwards, especially when they already have 12 signed and a few others probably fighting for a roster spot.

Martin St Louis type production I think you should see out of him as he matures if he can string it all together. Same type of player (size wise), same kind of skill set. Assuming everyone is healthy and they have a capable second line (center doesn't matter just productive and the third line shows up for more than 20 games) 90 points should be the bar.


Him and Toews healthy for a whole year with a solid second line I think gets Toews pushing the 40 gaol mark as long as whoever on the left side isn't a total waste of space.
- fattybeef

Unless both players lose their will to perform or have significant injury problems neither has reached their prime.

They will get stronger and smarter and that leads to more production.

Here is my trade scenario of the day:

Option # 1. Kane + Montador to Pitt for Stall, Dupuis, Orpik
(gives us 2cd line big center in Stall, Dupuis is a nice solid player, and Orpik is a tough big minute Dman)

Option #2 . Sharp + Saad + Monty to Pitt for Stall, Dupuis, Orpik
- Boisy12

NO way in hell this happens. Why would the Pens do this?

Here is my trade scenario of the day:

Option # 1. Kane + Montador to Pitt for Stall, Dupuis, Orpik
(gives us 2cd line big center in Stall, Dupuis is a nice solid player, and Orpik is a tough big minute Dman)

Option #2 . Sharp + Saad + Monty to Pitt for Stall, Dupuis, Orpik
- Boisy12

This ain't happening. If you subbed Hammer for Monty, then MAYYYYBE, but even then it's a stretch. It's going to be hard as hell to move Montador if he were healthy, let alone with the two concussions in 2-3 months. Not good

This ain't happening. If you subbed Hammer for Monty, then MAYYYYBE, but even then it's a stretch. It's going to be hard as hell to move Montador if he were healthy, let alone with the two concussions in 2-3 months. Not good
- eburgio

TRUTH !

NO way in hell this happens. Why would the Pens do this?
- nelli312

Because they have been looking for a winger to play with Crosby, and Kane is a 1st line all-star winger and would be perfect for Crosby.

Ya maybe sub Hammer for Monty, or add Saad, but I think Kane is enough to entice some teams to make a big move.

Yes

Colorado needs a goal scorer and some veteran leadership. Works out well for everyone. Plus the Hawks get a guy who is strong on the puck and solid at the dot that Q loves about as much as Bolland.

Toews/Statsny/Bolland/Kruger OR veteran acquisition is an impressive run up the middle. And Kane can fill in at C if someone gets hurt or Kruger or Shaw or someone from Rockford if its a bottom line player.

Makes room for Frolik or Stalberg to cement themselves as top 6 players and if they want to give Saad a shot this year they have that flexibility.

- fattybeef

Kane is not a center on the Hawks. He needs to stay at wing. Maybe Toews and Kane together hit 90 goals if...

Trade Stalberg and a good prospect to Colorado for Downie to give Toews and Kane what they need on the top line. No way the Avs give up Statsny. He is a piece they build around. They are trying to add to their lineup too.

It is not the marquis players that the Hawks should go after in trades - it is good role players. Otherwise they just end up playing a shell game and hiding the holes in the lineup. Use the cap space to find the good FA marquis type guys.

If it isn't an issue the Bruins won't consider trading Rask now...Thomas is in his last year and that will be a big hole to fill.

My point is Rask isn't untouchable but close unless there are issues the Bruins don't like....In that case the Hawks shouldn't want him.

Rask is an RFA and the Bruins are sitting pretty with him....Even with a significant raise they will be nowhere near Thomas money and Rask is only 25.
- Al

We are in total agreement.

Few things

-Definitely not disputing JJ on Hossa pondering the thought of hanging up the skates but unless the concussion is really that bad, I just don't see that happening. He still has a ton of money left on that deal and I just can't see him retiring right now. I hope he's good to go at the start of next season.

-The Patrick Kane thing has died down so unless the Hawks are being extremely tight lipped I doubt he's going anywhere for the time being.

-Still at the end of the day I see this team upgrading their defense first and foremost. I'm not anticipating any big changes when it comes to the forwards, especially when they already have 12 signed and a few others probably fighting for a roster spot.
- dan9189

1) He won't play again until he is 100%. That could be a fairly long time. LTIR might be a possibility. He could also be there 10/1. Impossible to say right now.

2) Hossa might have some bearing on Kane, I would think. I would not rule out the possibility of a Kane deal regardless. If an elite winger (Nash) came back and the Hawks want Kane gone, it could get done. In that event, Hossa's situation has no bearing.

3) I think upgrading defense is a likelihood. But I would not at all rule out changes in the forwards. You have only THREE legitimate centers on your roster and really nothing valid to fill in with in the minors. You have wings who can play C (Frolik, Sharp, Shaw). But the better situation is to have a glut of centers and some of them being forced to play wing. In fact, I believe one or two of Bickell, Stalberg or Frolik will be gone if kane is not dealt.

Martin St Louis type production I think you should see out of him as he matures if he can string it all together. Same type of player (size wise), same kind of skill set. Assuming everyone is healthy and they have a capable second line (center doesn't matter just productive and the third line shows up for more than 20 games) 90 points should be the bar.


Him and Toews healthy for a whole year with a solid second line I think gets Toews pushing the 40 gaol mark as long as whoever on the left side isn't a total waste of space.
- fattybeef

You might call him a total waste of space, but the Hawks best option there might be Carcillo. He is not without hockey sense and skill and he provides protection on that line no one else on the team can. Bollig can't play there. Shaw is tough but not as tough as Carcillo.

The Hawks might need a policeman for Toews for the rest of his career, the tougher the better. Right now, unless they got a Lucic type, that's Carcillo.

Because they have been looking for a winger to play with Crosby, and Kane is a 1st line all-star winger and would be perfect for Crosby.

Ya maybe sub Hammer for Monty, or add Saad, but I think Kane is enough to entice some teams to make a big move.
- Boisy12

I don't think the Pens move Orpik...period. And I'm starting to wonder if any team wants Staal, they'll be forced to take Paul Martin in return.

You might call him a total waste of space, but the Hawks best option there might be Carcillo. He is not without hockey sense and skill and he provides protection on that line no one else on the team can. Bollig can't play there. Shaw is tough but not as tough as Carcillo.

The Hawks might need a policeman for Toews for the rest of his career, the tougher the better. Right now, unless they got a Lucic type, that's Carcillo.
- John Jaeckel

Lucic, Mcquaid for Sharp and Hammer

Lucic, Mcquaid for Sharp and Hammer
- nickmo2699

Jesus, that would lineup would have a ton of nastiness. Carcillo and Lucic and maybe Bollig. On the backend you'd have McQuaid and if the Hawks would sign a Bryan Allen type...lookout.

EDIT: I do think this is the lineup the Hawks would need to compete in the postseason. Skill and grit throughout the lineup

That still doesnt change the fact that I would rather take a football hit from Kimbo Slice then have the Hawks make a trade with your roster of underachievers.
- nickmo2699

Thats a reasonable response...

I think Hawk fans also have to consider that Kane's off ice behavior may have really nixed the team's ability to get anything of equal hockey value in return.

I just don't see him moving - especially now.

Jesus, that would lineup would have a ton of nastiness. Carcillo and Lucic and maybe Bollig. On the backend you'd have McQuaid and if the Hawks would sign a Bryan Allen type...lookout.

EDIT: I do think this is the lineup the Hawks would need to compete in the postseason. Skill and grit throughout the lineup
- eburgio

Is Boston really looking to unload Lucic?

I think Hawk fans also have to consider that Kane's off ice behavior may have really nixed the team's ability to get anything of equal hockey value in return.

I just don't see him moving - especially now.
- Return of the Roar

Kane is a major talent: I agree with Fatty (I think) who said St. Laurent type numbers - 90 points - maybe he can "create" Stalberg into 30+ goals, Frolik into 30+ goals, someone not here yet into 30+ goals (assuming Hossa doesn't come back).

If you can't get value, have to keep him - can't just let him go.

Is Boston really looking to unload Lucic?
- StLBravesFan

If you were Boston would you?? Didn't think so.

Is Boston really looking to unload Lucic?
- StLBravesFan

If I'm Boston I keep Lucic unless some ridiculous offer comes along.

Kane is a major talent: I agree with Fatty (I think) who said St. Laurent type numbers - 90 points - maybe he can "create" Stalberg into 30+ goals, Frolik into 30+ goals, someone not here yet into 30+ goals (assuming Hossa doesn't come back).

If you can't get value, have to keep him - can't just let him go.
- StLBravesFan

So what is the easier play to fix the top line - trade Kane and hope to get more goals in exchange, or keep Kane and go find that beefy LW that fixes things with who they already have?

I say LW is easier to find at a lower price, and less chance of having to give up to get. I don't think the fans want to wait for Stalberg to become the guy everyone wants him to be.

Kane's days of taking over a game might be over.
- mrpaulish

LOL WUT??? I guess you missed the part of the season in which Toews missed?