David Toews for Fabio Luongo

http://www.encyclopedia.c...luongo-brothers-2011.aspx

I would do it in a hearbeat
- VANTEL

his brother's name is fabio?? Now that is priceless

his brother's name is fabio?? Now that is priceless
- Wowo2282

They make pizzas too .

The only reason Nashville will trade Suter is that they'll know that they have no shot at retaining him.

Trading his rights for a pick of some degree would make sense, and it would happen. Doing this gives another team negotiating rights before free agency starts.

It happened with Hamhuis a couple of years back, and with other teams and players. A situation like this isn't out of the norm.

EDIT: I don't believe I've ever heard of a sign & trade deal happen in the NHL. Does the league allow this or not? Does anyone have any clear information on that?
- EKolb13

It doesn't make any sense to sign and trade with a high priced veteran player.

It doesn't make any sense to sign and trade with a high priced veteran player.
- Al

For who?

If you mean the current team, it allows them to get something in return for a player who either would not ever re-sign with them or at least not for the best contract they feel they can offer.

If you mean the new team, they get a player they want without having him go to free agency.

If you mean the player, he is involved at every stage and gets both a contract and team he finds acceptable.

Seems to make lots of sense IF it can be arranged.

For who?

If you mean the current team, it allows them to get something in return for a player who either would not ever re-sign with them or at least not for the best contract they feel they can offer.

If you mean the new team, they get a player they want without having him go to free agency.

If you mean the player, he is involved at every stage and gets both a contract and team he finds acceptable.

Seems to make lots of sense IF it can be arranged.
- ght120

Suter would never sign a new contract with Nashville if he intended on moving. All Nashville would have to say is you 're staying and he would not have a choice.

1) Addressing size and center are not mutually exclusive.
2) The Hawks have only THREE legitimate centers on their NHL roster, two of whom weight 175-180 pounds.
3) Kane has a couple of huge shortcomings as a center, and he only goes about a buck seventy.

They need size up an down the roster, without question.

If they don't re-sign Mayers, they have only ONE guy on the roster who can be counted on to win over 50% of his draws. Want to improve the power play and the penalty kill? That would be a good place to start.

I think this whole conversation also makes the offseason physical growth and conditioning of Marcus Kruger really, really important. Dead lifts, uphill sprints and meatballs, baby.
- John Jaeckel

Obviously Colorado is really high on him, but I would love to target Ryan O'Reilly as the number 2 center of the future. He is a take-away machine, 50%+ on draws, plays both special teams. I just really love his game. Don't know what it would take, or if he is simply untouchable. But the writter on HB for the Avalanche had an article the other day about how badly they need some skill on the right wing. Kane?

Suter would never sign a new contract with Nashville if he intended on moving. All Nashville would have to say is you 're staying and he would not have a choice.
- VANTEL

It's done all the time in the NBA - player doesn't sign until the deal with the new team (his choice) is done.

But in the NBA, it's a way for the player to get more money: he resigns with his old team for more money / more years than he could get from a new team, the "pre-packaged" deal is made, and he goes to the new team at old team money.

For who?

If you mean the current team, it allows them to get something in return for a player who either would not ever re-sign with them or at least not for the best contract they feel they can offer.

If you mean the new team, they get a player they want without having him go to free agency.

If you mean the player, he is involved at every stage and gets both a contract and team he finds acceptable.

Seems to make lots of sense IF it can be arranged.
- ght120

It makes no sense.

A UFA can control his own destiny and pick where he wants to play and under what terms. That includes contract structure plus NMC or NTC.

If you referring to trading someone's rights that's different, but that is still a risk for the team acquirig the rights.

It's done all the time in the NBA - player doesn't sign until the deal with the new team (his choice) is done.

But in the NBA, it's a way for the player to get more money: he resigns with his old team for more money / more years than he could get from a new team, the "pre-packaged" deal is made, and he goes to the new team at old team money.
- StLBravesFan

Lets say the rumours are true . Suter wants to go to Chicago or Detroit. He is going to repay his old team by making them stronger, and weaken his new team who are in the same conference . That does not make sense.

It's done all the time in the NBA - player doesn't sign until the deal with the new team (his choice) is done.

But in the NBA, it's a way for the player to get more money: he resigns with his old team for more money / more years than he could get from a new team, the "pre-packaged" deal is made, and he goes to the new team at old team money.
- StLBravesFan

Different...Like Scottie Pippen did years ago when he left the Bulls...Doesn't work that way in th NHL.

It makes no sense.

A UFA can control his own destiny and pick where he wants to play and under what terms. That includes contract structure plus NMC or NTC.

If you referring to trading someone's rights that's different, but that is still a risk for the team acquirig the rights.
- Al

Also if he signed a NTC NMC with the team it would be lost when he drops it to be traded. I agree it would make no sense.

Different...Like Scottie Pippen did years ago when he left the Bulls...Doesn't work that way in th NHL.
- Al

I know - no benefit to the player in the NHL - therefore, no sign-and-trades.

NY - NJ: what terrible ice for such an important game.

I know - no benefit to the player in the NHL - therefore, no sign-and-trades.
- StLBravesFan

That's what I thought. I couldn't recall that there was any UFA that was involved in a sign & trade deal.

With the hard salary cap, that idea seems useless. It seems that a sign & trade deal would benefit a NBA team trying to get around some sort of max contract rule, or something like that.

It doesn't make any sense to sign and trade with a high priced veteran player.
- Al

It would make sense for a team who thinks they may have a shot at signing him to acquire his rights at the draft for a pick.

I never said anything about a sign & trade deal. I was questioning the logic of a sign & trade deal. I didn't think sign & trade deals happend much or at all in the NHL.

Obviously Colorado is really high on him, but I would love to target Ryan O'Reilly as the number 2 center of the future. He is a take-away machine, 50%+ on draws, plays both special teams. I just really love his game. Don't know what it would take, or if he is simply untouchable. But the writter on HB for the Avalanche had an article the other day about how badly they need some skill on the right wing. Kane?
- nathanjf

Stalberg??

When Carcillo was in the line up the Hawks were 24-10 right ?? Im just saying
- mrpaulish

THIS

Stalberg??
- hawks2010

Yeah, but then what else? He is a truly valued player there. He wouldn't be had for throwaways.

I was thinking Kane for O'Reilly and McGinn and then balancing pieces as necessary.

I love it how Sabres fans come in here an always try to dump a smurf C on the Hawks in Roy, and now Leopold who isn't very good in the first place! If Kane is dealt, the return will be a lot more than other teams cast offs! At least it better be!!!
- nelli312

I doubt that considering Kane is looking to be a cast off in Chicago with one hell of an attitude problem. Even then I'd still do Kane for Miller a 1st, 2nd and a D-Man not named Myers, McNabb, Regehr or Ehrhoff.

Lets say the rumours are true . Suter wants to go to Chicago or Detroit. He is going to repay his old team by making them stronger, and weaken his new team who are in the same conference . That does not make sense.
- VANTEL

No, these assumptions don't make sense. At all.

It would make sense for a team who thinks they may have a shot at signing him to acquire his rights at the draft for a pick.

I never said anything about a sign & trade deal. I was questioning the logic of a sign & trade deal. I didn't think sign & trade deals happend much or at all in the NHL.
- EKolb13

I didn't think sign & trade deals happend much or at all in the NHL.

Correct because it doesn't make any sense.

Correct because it doesn't make any sense.
- Al

Agreed.

Agreed.
- EKolb13

IMO unless it is to team in the East there won't be any trading of Suter's rights.

IMO unless it is to team in the East there won't be any trading of Suter's rights.
- Al

Can Nashville give a team permission to talk to Suter before trading his rights - if I'm buying the rights, I would want to know that at least Suter would have an interest in signing with me - or do I have to buy the rights blind?

Can Nashville give a team permission to talk to Suter before trading his rights - if I'm buying the rights, I would want to know that at least Suter would have an interest in signing with me - or do I have to buy the rights blind?
- StLBravesFan

There is a certaain amount of time RFA's can talk to other teams...

UFA's have to get permission....Apparently that was the case with Detroit and the Hawks concerning Hossa.

Usually a team only buys the rights because they know they have a big shot of getting the player they desire signed.

Somehow word gets around between the UFA and interested teams.