I agree. What exactly is your point? I never said Hammer was physical..
- ilinkhawk

Whoops misread the quote, sorry,for some reason i was thinking you were refering to top 4 defenseman size. Its getting late and work is almost over!

Whoops misread the quote, sorry,for some reason i was thinking you were refering to top 4 defenseman size. Its getting late and work is almost over!
- Wowo2282

I think you and I are on the same page reading some of your previous threads...

Gotta tell you guys, I am going to do another Suter blog before too long. There are A LOT of signs pointing him to Chicago. Not a done deal, but there are three-four undeniable advantages the Hawks have, one big one I have not discussed yet.
- John Jaeckel

>JJ, do you also think it is possible that the best style of play in the NHL next year and moving forward will be more a combination of grit and skill -- like the Cup Hawks vs "smashmouth hockey"?
>The "smashmouth only" style is very hard to maintain for 82 games and the playoffs
>While there is absolutely no doubt the Hawks need to be bigger, stronger, and actually tougher to play against, the wrong trades of skill for "will" players will make the Hawks a team that struggles to score -- SBow really needs to make the right moves this year -- moves that match the style of play the Hawks will play on the ice
>Feel like the Hossa situation really complicates an already cautious front office approach
>It would be nice for some good news to come out of Hawk HQs

i would take stalberg
you cant replace that speed
- molly2522

Stalberg is one of the few hawks I would want on the flyers. I think with the right team culture of physical play and solid coaching/player development he could beast out. His speed and size is a great combination.... He just needs to learn how to use it.


In case you are wondering..... Toews and Seabs are the other 2 hawks I'd want on the flyers

>JJ, do you also think it is possible that the best style of play in the NHL next year and moving forward will be more a combination of grit and skill -- like the Cup Hawks vs "smashmouth hockey"?
>The "smashmouth only" style is very hard to maintain for 82 games and the playoffs
>While there is absolutely no doubt the Hawks need to be bigger, stronger, and actually tougher to play against, the wrong trades of skill for "will" players will make the Hawks a team that struggles to score -- SBow really needs to make the right moves this year -- moves that match the style of play the Hawks will play on the ice
>Feel like the Hossa situation really complicates an already cautious front office approach
>It would be nice for some good news to come out of Hawk HQs
- SnapitUpstairs

That's the trade-off they need to make. Actually skill + will. They also need a few more guys with NHL bodies, not junior/midget bodies

This is why Kane for Nash just makes too much sense. Nash is a load; not as creative with the puck as Kane, but is the force in front of the net this team has needed forever, especially on the PP. Maybe they could throw in a pick with Stalberg, and get Brassard, too. (Brassard could be had since Columbus is in position to draft the top Center in this draft)

If you look at the list of UFA centers, there is a bunch of quality 3rd line centers available. This is why I believe Bolland and his cap hit is expendable. Moving his contract would pay for half of a potential Suter deal alone.
- hawks2010

Who is the cheaper solution to Bolland?

The only other player available is Stoll who will take close to 4 million. Not sure where the savings would be for a comparable player.

In comparable I mean 35-45 points when healthy, able to suffocate the other teams best players, play both the penalty kill and power play and eat 18-20 minutes/night if necessary.

And Suter is going to be over 6.8 million (plus the kicker)?

I have doubts about that...

With the exception of Staal who will make significantly more money than Bolland ever will.... Who is the cheaper solution to Bolland?

The only other player available is Stoll who will take close to 4 million. Not sure where the savings would be for a comparable player.

In comparable I mean 35-45 points when healthy, able to suffocate the other teams best players, play both the penalty kill and power play and eat 18-20 minutes/night if necessary.
- fattybeef

I don't think Bolland is going anywhere

Gotta tell you guys, I am going to do another Suter blog before too long. There are A LOT of signs pointing him to Chicago. Not a done deal, but there are three-four undeniable advantages the Hawks have, one big one I have not discussed yet.
- John Jaeckel

Good luck. He would be a nice addition. My gut tells me Nashville tries to trade his rights out of conference if they realize he's not going to resign with them. It's the least they can do to try to get something back in return and not have to play him 5-6 times a year.

Stalberg is one of the few hawks I would want on the flyers. I think with the right team culture of physical play and solid coaching/player development he could beast out. His speed and size is a great combination.... He just needs to learn how to use it.


In case you are wondering..... Toews and Seabs are the other 2 hawks I'd want on the flyers
- moylander

I find your exclusion of #2 interesting. Not saying I don't see your point. But interesting none the less.

Good luck. He would be a nice addition. My gut tells me Nashville tries to trade his rights out of conference if they realize he's not going to resign with them. It's the least they can do to try to get something back in return and not have to play him 5-6 times a year.
- moylander

Agreed.

I've got a feeling the same thing is going to happen to Schnieder in Vancouver on draft day, once Gillis figures out he isn't going to get much in return for Luongo. Vancouver should get more in return for Schnieder.

That's just my guess.

Gotta tell you guys, I am going to do another Suter blog before too long. There are A LOT of signs pointing him to Chicago. Not a done deal, but there are three-four undeniable advantages the Hawks have, one big one I have not discussed yet.
- John Jaeckel

Hes going to be a Hawk.

I don't think Bolland is going anywhere
- John Jaeckel

There are many reasons why Bolland should stay put but if he is traded it won't be for a third line center....

Probably part of a bigger package for a proven top six forward.

Good luck. He would be a nice addition. My gut tells me Nashville tries to trade his rights out of conference if they realize he's not going to resign with them. It's the least they can do to try to get something back in return and not have to play him 5-6 times a year.
- moylander

They can try to trade him but Hes a free agent hes holding all the cards. If they trade him the team that wants him is going to have to know for sure they will be able to sign him or more likely its going to have to be a sign and trade. Not easy to do with a big name free agent. Whos going to give up pieces only to have him say good bye come free agency. Sutter is going to go where he wants to go.

Hes going to be a Hawk.
- mvp0207

I hope so. I also hope he signs for less than the $7 million he'll probably end up getting.

They can try to trade him but Hes a free agent hes holding all the cards. If they trade him the team that wants him is going to have to know for sure they will be able to sign him or more likely its going to have to be a sign and trade. Not easy to do with a big name free agent. Whos going to give up pieces only to have him say good bye come free agency. Sutter is going to go where he wants to go.
- mvp0207

The trade ship left the harbor around the end of February.

They can try to trade him but Hes a free agent hes holding all the cards. If they trade him the team that wants him is going to have to know for sure they will be able to sign him or more likely its going to have to be a sign and trade. Not easy to do with a big name free agent. Whos going to give up pieces only to have him say good bye come free agency. Sutter is going to go where he wants to go.
- mvp0207

The only reason Nashville will trade Suter is that they'll know that they have no shot at retaining him.

Trading his rights for a pick of some degree would make sense, and it would happen. Doing this gives another team negotiating rights before free agency starts.

It happened with Hamhuis a couple of years back, and with other teams and players. A situation like this isn't out of the norm.

EDIT: I don't believe I've ever heard of a sign & trade deal happen in the NHL. Does the league allow this or not? Does anyone have any clear information on that?

The trade ship left the harbor around the end of February.
- Al

Agreed.

The only reason Nashville will trade Suter is that they'll know that they have no shot at retaining him.

Trading his rights for a pick of some degree would make sense, and it would happen. Doing this gives another team negotiating rights before free agency starts.

It happened with Hamhuis a couple of years back, and with other teams and players. A situation like this isn't out o the norm.
- EKolb13

It could be a sign and trade but IF its a sign and trade or maybe a team to getting negotiating rights its going to be a team that has already had some type of dialogue with Suter. Its not like Nashville has the option now of trading him out of the division is what IM saying. Hes going where he wants to go.

It could be a sign and trade but IF its s sign and trade or for a team to get negotiating rights its going to be a team that has already had some type of dialogue with Suter. Its not like Nashville has the option now of trading him out of the division is what IM saying. Hes going where he wants to go.
- mvp0207

Suter does control his destiny and destination, I do agree. What Nashville can do at this point, if they feel they're out of it before July 1st, is to trade his rights for whatever they can get. This gives the team that Suter would be going to a few days of exclusive negotiating rights to try and make a deal with him.

As for a sign & trade situation, does the league allow that? I don't believe I've heard of an instance of this since the last lock-out.

Suter does control his destiny and destination, I do agree. What Nashville can do at this point, if they feel they're out of it before July 1st, is to trade his rights for whatever they can get. This gives the team that Suter would be going to a few days of exclusive negotiating rights to try and nake a deal with him.

As for a sign & trade situation, does the league allow that? I don't believe I've heard of an instance of this since the last lock-out.
- EKolb13

Not even sure if its allowed just goes to my point that hes holding the cards.

Not even sure if its allowed just goes to my point that hes holding the cards.
- mvp0207

I totally understand your point. I also agree with it.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Nashville still can trade him and get some sort of compensation for him, be it that it won't come close in comparison to what they could have gotten for him at the trade deadline.

I guess they could get a draft pick of some degree if they decide to trade his right at the draft.

Gotta tell you guys, I am going to do another Suter blog before too long. There are A LOT of signs pointing him to Chicago. Not a done deal, but there are three-four undeniable advantages the Hawks have, one big one I have not discussed yet.
- John Jaeckel

That must mean Luongo for Keith then .

EDIT: I don't believe I've ever heard of a sign & trade deal happen in the NHL. Does the league allow this or not? Does anyone have any clear information on that?
- EKolb13

I can't think of anything off hand that prohibits it. Didnt phoenix essentially do that with Turris?

I totally understand your point. I also agree with it.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Nashville still can trade him and get some sort of compensation for him, be it that it won't come close in comparison to what they could have gotten for him at the trade deadline.

I guess they could get a draft pick of some degree if they decide to trade his right at the draft.
- EKolb13

Right, Like Bryz's rights to the flyers last year for Matt Clarkson (I think). Very little in return but it was something. From what I've heard is that teams 'talk' to the agents about players (or even to the players themselves) all the time, even though they are not supposed to, in order to gage a players interest in their team or as to what they are looking for in a contract. Whether that's true.... I don't know. hamhuis did not sign where he went, Bryz did. The players still hold the cards.... the choice is ultimately theirs.