From what I've seen of Morin and McNeill in Rockford, I'd disagree. Both of those guys are not afraid to play physically. From the little I've seen of Saad, I'd say the same thing too.
- EKolb13

Do you think we'll see Morin in Chicago on a more permanent basis soon?

Your opinion is wrong for this reason only: Carcillo can be in the Top 6 if the Hawks upgrade at 2C.
- nickmo2699

Bingo. The Hawks could add Suter, deal Hjalmarsso and Stalberg and add a 2c, it would be a great offseason AND Carcillo could still be your top line LW (admittedly less than ideal). Philly fans just hate Carcillo.

Would Derek Dorsett be a better protection winger than carcillo?
- southernhawk

No, maybe about the same. Maybe. Carcillo is not a bad hockey player when he keeps his emotions under control.

From what I've seen of Morin and McNeill in Rockford, I'd disagree. Both of those guys are not afraid to play physically. From the little I've seen of Saad, I'd say the same thing too.
- EKolb13

I would like to see how they would fare against the NYR, OTT, BOS or PHI today. They may have that level of ability someday, but I was looking more in terms of what can the team do for next season to actually solve the problem of having a low physical quotient.

Bingo. The Hawks could add Suter, deal Hjalmarsso and Stalberg and add a 2c, it would be a great offseason AND Carcillo could still be your top line LW (admittedly less than ideal). Philly fans just hate Carcillo.
- John Jaeckel

Agree with 90% of this. I would hope that in some way that some size on D comes back via FA or trade as well. Hammer is not a beast every night, but one of the few over six feet and two bills behind the blue line.

Bingo. The Hawks could add Suter, deal Hjalmarsso and Stalberg and add a 2c, it would be a great offseason AND Carcillo could still be your top line LW (admittedly less than ideal). Philly fans just hate Carcillo.
- John Jaeckel

Funny thing is he was just as out of control as the rest of their team. They act like he was the Cancer. As far as trades with Buffalose go, Stafford may be the only player of interest and I would not move Kaner if he was the big piece coming back.

Well I think Toews needs to be smarter and get involved in fewer scrums to start.

I also think that Carcillo can fill in there when not doing his Raffi Torres impression but honestly, if he is the night in night out starter there then this it will be one poorly constructed team and Toews wont pop 40.

If the NYR / Ottawa series proved anything it is that retaliation really makes no difference. Did not stop NYR from taking liberties, knocking out their leader and going on to win the series. Assaulting one of their players did absolutely nothing to deter them. NOTHING. They are still elbowing people in the head and throwing sucker punches at goalies regardless of who is on the ice for NJD now.

Phoenix is still playing dirty as can be even though one of their guys got a massive suspension... How many people has Doan elbowed in the head this playoffs alone?

In my opinion, the NHL needs to take a hard stand on guys who throw bows and sucker punches to get that crap out of there. Regardless of what Carcillo does after the fact, the teams/players that continuously perpetrate that nonsense don't stop regardless of player intervention. The league needs to take these guys to task in terms of hammering them monetarily as well as having a multiplier fine on the organization level so the club feels some of that pain as well.

If Lindros couldn't protect himself when that was actually allowed, I highly doubt Carcillo will make a difference there aside from doing something very stupid and losing his pay day.

Point being I don't think a bodyguard as it were is a viable solution.
- fattybeef

Agreed on the first point.

Were you one of the guys screaming about no one standing up for Toews?

My belief is a guy who can throw 'em is a deterrent, generally, though certainly not always. better than nothing, generally. I will also tell you Carcillo KNOWS his job is to attract that crap so it's directed at him instead of Kane and Toews. He has said so and he's right. He immediately becomes the focus for that stuff. It does make a difference.

Do you think we'll see Morin in Chicago on a more permanent basis soon?
- DarthKane

I don't know. It depends on how much he has improved, especially with his skating. Also, it depends on what happens with the roster between now and after the start of free agency.

I guess we'll see what transpires between now and July 1st.

Do you think we'll see Morin in Chicago on a more permanent basis soon?
- DarthKane

If we do it will be another Stan fail. That will mean he couldn't find (read: didn't have the stones to deal for) anyone else with more experience.

Would the Kings be as far as they are now without Daryl Sutter?

That's another big piece to the Kings success.
- EKolb13

I would say no.

I would like to see how they would fare against the NYR, OTT, BOS or PHI today. They may have that level of ability someday, but I was looking more in terms of what can the team do for next season to actually solve the problem of having a low physical quotient.
- Return of the Roar

I see what you're getting at now. I guess if you throw any of the three in the NHL today, all would lack some of this in varying degrees. McNeill and Saad with inexperience, Morin lacking in speed. I don't think physicallity is a problem, but the other factors would curb their ability to play physically to an extent.

That's the stuff this team doesn't need from Carcillo. I have my doubts that he's changed, and we'll end up seeing it again.
- EKolb13

+1, I have my doubts as well.

+1, I have my doubts as well.
- victorymc98

Carbomb's value from my perspective is that he can adequately fill in on the top six for injuries or matchup purposes, but his role is truly to play on the lower lines.

Bingo. The Hawks could add Suter, deal Hjalmarsso and Stalberg and add a 2c, it would be a great offseason AND Carcillo could still be your top line LW (admittedly less than ideal). Philly fans just hate Carcillo.
- John Jaeckel

The question is if Carcillo can change his image with officials....Cook did a good job this yr with Pitt. Carcillo has to stop being a focus, if so maybe the numbers below aren't a pipe dream....

57 games 13-G 11-A 24 Pts 324 PIM 12.3 shooting %

I'm just say'n, those are very good numbers from Carcillo's Coyote days...

24 pts in 57 games with 324 penalty minutes on a a sub par team.

I see what you're getting at now. I guess if you throw any of the three in the NHL today, all would lack some of this in varying degrees. McNeill and Saad with inexperience, Morin lacking in speed. I don't think physicallity is a problem, but the other factors would curb their ability to play physically to an extent.
- EKolb13

Morin didnt terribly stand out as slow when he was called up. How could we critique speed when Andrew phucking Brunette just played a season with us.

Bingo. The Hawks could add Suter, deal Hjalmarsso and Stalberg and add a 2c, it would be a great offseason AND Carcillo could still be your top line LW (admittedly less than ideal). Philly fans just hate Carcillo.
- John Jaeckel

Ha ha. Love carbomb. Nobody runs their mouth better. Seriously. Fun to watch when he gets under the opponents skin. YouTube him and miller during the playoffs a couple seasons ago. Great stuff. Guy must pound 5 hour energy drinks before hitting the ice. He's still a 4th liner though... Lol.

The reason Carcillo was paid $800,000 in FA is because he is an $800,000 player. Carcillo on the flyers was a healthy scratch often enough. Maybe Philly misused him, eh?

Anyways.... Good luck with carbomb on your top lines if that's the case

He's always like this.

I like the guy. I may not agree with him most of the time, but he stands by and formulates his own ideas.

I appreciate that.
- EKolb13

Ya but his points were just horribly off base, but I guess he provides spark to message boards if nothing else

It's because of how they are built. I hear they are getting hot at the right time... nah.. Once again.. the best regular season teams aren't always the ones built to go far. That team is big up top, nasty, and has a very good goaltender. They are loaded with playoff type players.

Agree on Fraser. Nice 4th line player. But not a game changer.
- ilinkhawk

Not a game changer, but one heck of a PKer, same with Burish. Those guys allowed the stars to rest a bit more while on the PK.

Carbomb's value from my perspective is that he can adequately fill in on the top six for injuries or matchup purposes, but his role is truly to play on the lower lines.
- Return of the Roar

I can agree with this..

Not a game changer, but one heck of a PKer, same with Burish. Those guys allowed the stars to rest a bit more while on the PK.
- hawks2010

Definetely a useful piece

Agreed on the first point.

Were you one of the guys screaming about no one standing up for Toews?

My belief is a guy who can throw 'em is a deterrent, generally, though certainly not always. better than nothing, generally. I will also tell you Carcillo KNOWS his job is to attract that crap so it's directed at him instead of Kane and Toews. He has said so and he's right. He immediately becomes the focus for that stuff. It does make a difference.
- John Jaeckel

Wasn't me. I'm of the opinion you beat the other team by scoring more goals than they do....OR

If you feel like a message absolutely needs to be sent I am also of the opinion you don't run at the guy immediately. It's kind of pointless to take out some 4th line bozo. You wait until the opportune time so you can make it look like an "accident" and you hit their best player across the wrists with a slash as hard as you can. Not anything to concuss someone, or ram their heads into the boards or smash their face up with your fists that can possibly end a career or livelihood... That's ridiculous.

But a bruised radius or ulna, maybe a fracture if they get hit just right with some yapping after sends a clear message. Would probably result in a lesser penalty than fighting someone or taking someone out.

Either way, whatever form of retribution is your cup of tea, I would leave the guy who did it alone and go after whoever is the best player on that team and make it known via trash talking or pointing or whatever why their best player is now injured as well. Gooning a goon is just foolish IMO.

Then if I was an owner I would hold a press conference and rip the NHL publicly anytime any of my employees missed time due to reckless and irresponsible plays Mark Cuban style.

Carbomb's value from my perspective is that he can adequately fill in on the top six for injuries or matchup purposes, but his role is truly to play on the lower lines.
- Return of the Roar

We were better with him in the line-up than without. Thats how I evaluate.

We were better with him in the line-up than without. Thats how I evaluate.
- nickmo2699

In all honesty, he made everyone better when he was playing. The offense had a swagger when he was on the ice, they feared no one. It's funny to say because Carcillo is so small for an enforcer but he's absolutely nuts and scares the crap out of anyone. No one knows whether he'll try to take the puck and score or knock the snot out of a d-man, both of which he can do at any given moment.

I still want to see Stan add some more muscle for both sides of the ice, finesse we have. To me, this is just as important as adding a 2C.

You wait until the opportune time so you can make it look like an "accident" and you hit their best player across the wrists with a slash as hard as you can. Not anything to concuss someone, or ram their heads into the boards or smash their face up with your fists that can possibly end a career or livelihood... That's ridiculous.
- fattybeef

Completely agree with you, fatty. COMPLETELY!!

In all honesty, he made everyone better when he was playing. The offense had a swagger when he was on the ice, they feared no one. It's funny to say because Carcillo is so small for an enforcer but he's absolutely nuts and scares the crap out of anyone. No one knows whether he'll try to take the puck and score or knock the snot out of a d-man, both of which he can do at any given moment.

I still want to see Stan add some more muscle for both sides of the ice, finesse we have. To me, this is just as important as adding a 2C.
- Assman22

Kane was a big supporter as well as the rest of the team. Look at the highlights from the beginning of the season. Every goal by Kane or Hossa had Carcillo with his toes in the crease in front of the goaltender. Oblivious, moronic Hawk fans that dont know the sport, are against Carcillo because of the Gilbert hit and the Pitkanen hit in arolina I believe. He is a huge asset to this team and IMO one of the few things Stanbo got right.