Per Bill on twitter, Grossmann's agent says that the defensemen's knee is fine and will not require surgery.
- Jsaquella

That's good news. Wonder how he is doing from that concussion? That seemed to really change his game during the playoffs. He didn't look like the Grossmann that was an animal since being acquired.

Per Bill on twitter, Grossmann's agent says that the defensemen's knee is fine and will not require surgery.
- Jsaquella

that's good news...thanks for sharing

Who the H E Double Hockey Sticks are you to tell me MY OPINION is not right? I voice an opinion. You can agree and disagree as you choose, but you are a NOBODY in the hockey world to tell me my opinion has no merit. Your "logic" is nothing more then a guessing game, just like anyone elses. And I didnt say the Flyers Will. I always said IMO and If it were me... It's MY OPINION.
- RooNosHockey

Not sure what you're getting at, but I think you are unclear on your opinion, and that is why people disagree with it and you should as well. Stated differently, you should disagree with your opinion.

I am not a NOBODY in the hockey world - I've been to at least 3 games over the past decade. I even saw Chris T. and Danny B at Wegmans. That is a resume you can have fun with your hand over.

i know it's been said...
love the avatar Nick
- phi1671

Thanks!

Who the H E Double Hockey Sticks are you to tell me MY OPINION is not right? I voice an opinion. You can agree and disagree as you choose, but you are a NOBODY in the hockey world to tell me my opinion has no merit. Your "logic" is nothing more then a guessing game, just like anyone elses. And I didnt say the Flyers Will. I always said IMO and If it were me... It's MY OPINION.
- RooNosHockey

I'm saying the logic you use to develop your opinion is faulty. Given the lack of explanation to back the comments you make, I stand by my assessment.

You want to compare a guy who signed a UFA contract to guys on their second NHL contracts, signed as RFAs, where they have little bargaining power. When you get called on that, you bring up two superstar level players who were potential offer sheet targets.

Outside of superstar level players, like Stamkos, Crosby and Weber, generally RFA players sign contracts for less than UFA eligible players. You also brought up Milan Lucic and Nate Horton, who both make less of a cap hit than JvR will make next season, which only shows the logic you base your opinions on is faulty.

If you are going to make comments, at least use some sort of factual basis for them. Or at least valid comparisons. Don't try to use Stephen Stamkos to show that RFA's can be signed to big deals. The two time Rocket Richard winner is going to be able to demand a little bit more cash than your average 22 year old RFA.

Which knee??
- Giroux_Is_God

The one that was hurt later.

Not sure what you're getting at, but I think you are unclear on your opinion, and that is why people disagree with it and you should as well. Stated differently, you should disagree with your opinion.

I am not a NOBODY in the hockey world - I've been to at least 3 games over the past decade. I even saw Chris T. and Danny B at Wegmans. That is a resume you can have fun with your hand over.
- Daman

What font do you use for your resume? Times New Roman?

I'm saying the logic you use to develop your opinion is faulty. Given the lack of explanation to back the comments you make, I stand by my assessment.

You want to compare a guy who signed a UFA contract to guys on their second NHL contracts, signed as RFAs, where they have little bargaining power. When you get called on that, you bring up two superstar level players who were potential offer sheet targets.

Outside of superstar level players, like Stamkos, Crosby and Weber, generally RFA players sign contracts for less than UFA eligible players. You also brought up Milan Lucic and Nate Horton, who both make less of a cap hit than JvR will make next season, which only shows the logic you base your opinions on is faulty.

If you are going to make comments, at least use some sort of factual basis for them. Or at least valid comparisons. Don't try to use Stephen Stamkos to show that RFA's can be signed to big deals. The two time Rocket Richard winner is going to be able to demand a little bit more cash than your average 22 year old RFA.
- Jsaquella

It's one of the biggest issues when discussing player salaries and what player's are worth. The lack of understanding of the NHL salary structure.

It's one of the biggest issues when discussing player salaries and what player's are worth. The lack of understanding of the NHL salary structure.
- MJL

But Stamkos makes so much money!!!!

I'm saying the logic you use to develop your opinion is faulty. Given the lack of explanation to back the comments you make, I stand by my assessment.

You want to compare a guy who signed a UFA contract to guys on their second NHL contracts, signed as RFAs, where they have little bargaining power. When you get called on that, you bring up two superstar level players who were potential offer sheet targets.

Outside of superstar level players, like Stamkos, Crosby and Weber, generally RFA players sign contracts for less than UFA eligible players. You also brought up Milan Lucic and Nate Horton, who both make less of a cap hit than JvR will make next season, which only shows the logic you base your opinions on is faulty.

If you are going to make comments, at least use some sort of factual basis for them. Or at least valid comparisons. Don't try to use Stephen Stamkos to show that RFA's can be signed to big deals. The two time Rocket Richard winner is going to be able to demand a little bit more cash than your average 22 year old RFA.
- Jsaquella

I love when people use exceptions to prove their point.

Now that it's clear Grossmann's knee is OK, the question remains what the hell happened between Holmgren and then Grossmann reportedly telling Johan Garpenlöv that impending knee surgery and injections during the playoffs was the reason why NG couldn't play at Worlds and the knee being fine now.

Garpenlöv has repeated his version several times since May 9 and I 100% believe that it was he was told exactly that by the Flyers.

No one is about to own up to the other possibility -- that Grossmann still had concussion symptoms during the NJ series and took the risk to play in the playoffs, with the Flyers' knowledge. They then told Garpenlöv it was the knee as a cover reason, since Grossmann did suffer a knee injury late in the regular season and wore a second knee brace in playoffs.

What font do you use for your resume? Times New Roman?
- stveshdy

If you try to make fun of what already is a joke, potentially one that is flying over your head like a kite, is it still considered funny?

Now that it's clear Grossmann's knee is OK, the question remains what the hell happened between Holmgren and then Grossmann reportedly telling Johan Garpenlöv that impending knee surgery and injections during the playoffs was the reason why NG couldn't play at Worlds and the knee being fine now.

Garpenlöv has repeated his version several times since May 9 and I 100% believe that it was he was told exactly that by the Flyers.

No one is about to own up to the other possibility -- that Grossmann still had concussion symptoms during the NJ series and took the risk to play in the playoffs, with the Flyers' knowledge. They then told Garpenlöv it was the knee as a cover reason, since Grossmann did suffer a knee injury late in the regular season and wore a second knee brace in playoffs.
- bmeltzer

Bill do you think the Flyers (including medical staff) and Grossmann would risk allowing him to play with a concussion? If this is true wouldnt the Flyers be in some hot water with the league? Grossmann looked completely different after the concussion. He wasn't the same player but I thought maybe his knees had something to do with that but obviously I am wrong.

Now that it's clear Grossmann's knee is OK, the question remains what the hell happened between Holmgren and then Grossmann reportedly telling Johan Garpenlöv that impending knee surgery and injections during the playoffs was the reason why NG couldn't play at Worlds and the knee being fine now.

Garpenlöv has repeated his version several times since May 9 and I 100% believe that it was he was told exactly that by the Flyers.

No one is about to own up to the other possibility -- that Grossmann still had concussion symptoms during the NJ series and took the risk to play in the playoffs, with the Flyers' knowledge. They then told Garpenlöv it was the knee as a cover reason, since Grossmann did suffer a knee injury late in the regular season and wore a second knee brace in playoffs.
- bmeltzer

Interesting thoughts Bill. I think it may very well have been the concussion issue. Even if Grossman was symptom free, I could see him not going to play at the Worlds just as a pre-caution. I think that is the reason Crosby didn't play for Team Canada.

Now that it's clear Grossmann's knee is OK, the question remains what the hell happened between Holmgren and then Grossmann reportedly telling Johan Garpenlöv that impending knee surgery and injections during the playoffs was the reason why NG couldn't play at Worlds and the knee being fine now.

Garpenlöv has repeated his version several times since May 9 and I 100% believe that it was he was told exactly that by the Flyers.

No one is about to own up to the other possibility -- that Grossmann still had concussion symptoms during the NJ series and took the risk to play in the playoffs, with the Flyers' knowledge. They then told Garpenlöv it was the knee as a cover reason, since Grossmann did suffer a knee injury late in the regular season and wore a second knee brace in playoffs.
- bmeltzer

I smell a cover up.

Glad we have Bill - aka the man with the Cheesesteak Tattoo

If you try to make fun of what already is a joke, potentially one that is flying over your head like a kite, is it still considered funny?
- Daman

My IQ isn't that high so I think everything is funny.

If you try to make fun of what already is a joke, potentially one that is flying over your head like a kite, is it still considered funny?
- Daman

Chippy today man.

Chippy today man.
- NickTheKid87

Guess it is time for the self-ban.

I love when people use exceptions to prove their point.
- NickTheKid87

I don't mean to be a jerk, but it comes naturally.

But seriously, I'm not trying to pick on somebody, but some of the points made were completely without any basis in logic and the way the NHL works.

I get it, he doesn't want to overspend on Hartnell. Given our druthers, who wants to overspend on anyone? Hell, I'd prefer Giroux making $3.75mm for the next twenty years. But it's not going to happen.

So while I get the not wanting to overspend idea, my question is how do you replace what a particular guy brings to the table? There is nobody among the younger players that has show they can consistently replace what Hartnell does. The same goes for Matt Carle.

The other issue is, nobody knows what the cap will be, or if it will be the same system even. There will be a new CBA, and there may well be changes in how things are done. There's also what the other potential UFA's will be signed for. When Hartnell signed his deal, $4.25mm was the market value for a young, 20 goal capable power forward.

His market value as a 31 year old will be set when other members of his class sign, or perhaps if he signs first. There's no need to set that value at a fixed number right now, which is where a lot of the issues came from in the discussion

Chippy today man.
- NickTheKid87

Just a bit. Better to watch than participate, imo.

Now that it's clear Grossmann's knee is OK, the question remains what the hell happened between Holmgren and then Grossmann reportedly telling Johan Garpenlöv that impending knee surgery and injections during the playoffs was the reason why NG couldn't play at Worlds and the knee being fine now.

Garpenlöv has repeated his version several times since May 9 and I 100% believe that it was he was told exactly that by the Flyers.

No one is about to own up to the other possibility -- that Grossmann still had concussion symptoms during the NJ series and took the risk to play in the playoffs, with the Flyers' knowledge. They then told Garpenlöv it was the knee as a cover reason, since Grossmann did suffer a knee injury late in the regular season and wore a second knee brace in playoffs.
- bmeltzer

I'd love to think that the second possibility isn't real...but it is.

Now that it's clear Grossmann's knee is OK, the question remains what the hell happened between Holmgren and then Grossmann reportedly telling Johan Garpenlöv that impending knee surgery and injections during the playoffs was the reason why NG couldn't play at Worlds and the knee being fine now.

Garpenlöv has repeated his version several times since May 9 and I 100% believe that it was he was told exactly that by the Flyers.

No one is about to own up to the other possibility -- that Grossmann still had concussion symptoms during the NJ series and took the risk to play in the playoffs, with the Flyers' knowledge. They then told Garpenlöv it was the knee as a cover reason, since Grossmann did suffer a knee injury late in the regular season and wore a second knee brace in playoffs.
- bmeltzer

I still think it was the knee that was bothering him in the playoffs. I remember watching plays in the Devils series when both d-men went back to retrieve a puck in their own zone and Grossmann almost always deferred to his partner to go get the puck.

Little things like that make me think it was more of knee issue than a head problem.

Unless simmer plays outif his mind next season homer has to do what he can to extend hartnell. I believe he will. I'll toot my horn a little bit. At the end of last season I was one of the minority that was against trading him. Much of the strengths of his game go unnoticed. He wins the majority of board battles, a good power forward like him are hard to find. He's not the best in coverages in his own end. But he his position just doesn't warrant that he has to be. On the other hand a second line center should at least be average in this regard.

I don't mean to be a jerk, but it comes naturally.

But seriously, I'm not trying to pick on somebody, but some of the points made were completely without any basis in logic and the way the NHL works.

I get it, he doesn't want to overspend on Hartnell. Given our druthers, who wants to overspend on anyone? Hell, I'd prefer Giroux making $3.75mm for the next twenty years. But it's not going to happen.

So while I get the not wanting to overspend idea, my question is how do you replace what a particular guy brings to the table? There is nobody among the younger players that has show they can consistently replace what Hartnell does. The same goes for Matt Carle.

The other issue is, nobody knows what the cap will be, or if it will be the same system even. There will be a new CBA, and there may well be changes in how things are done. There's also what the other potential UFA's will be signed for. When Hartnell signed his deal, $4.25mm was the market value for a young, 20 goal capable power forward.

His market value as a 31 year old will be set when other members of his class sign, or perhaps if he signs first. There's no need to set that value at a fixed number right now, which is where a lot of the issues came from in the discussion
- Jsaquella

I agree, market is everything. Like Briere's deal. The Flyers paid for the best forward available that year. It's a great deal too if you consider the alternative was Chris Drury.

Bill do you think the Flyers (including medical staff) and Grossmann would risk allowing him to play with a concussion? If this is true wouldnt the Flyers be in some hot water with the league? Grossmann looked completely different after the concussion. He wasn't the same player but I thought maybe his knees had something to do with that but obviously I am wrong.
- stveshdy

Until very recently, it was common and "no big deal" for a hockey player to try to play through a concussion in the playoffs. Now that there's a concussion protocol that every team is supposed to follow, yes, it could be a big deal if it could be PROVEN (and that's almost impossible, since no one will talk about it).

BTW, I thought Game 5 of the NJ series was Grossmann's best game of the series. But he looked "foggy" to me in the previous games. His reactions were much slower.