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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 21 @ 1:04 PM ET
2003 was arguably the deepest draft in modern hockey. It produced 20 All-stars plus every 1st rounder played at least a game in the NHL. Regardless, Weber will cost a MAMMOTH amount.
- NickTheKid87


The Flyers should be looking elsewhere for a legit defenseman. Weber would be great but I honestly dont think hes leaving Nashville especially if Suter does. The money will be almost impossible to turn down imo.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 21 @ 1:05 PM ET
I wouldn't pay Hartnell more than $5m a year either. Are we entitled to intelligent ones, or do we have to draw more shapes in the sand in the corner with paint?

Forget Suter.

What would it take to get Weber? He was a second round draft pick in a not deep draft, so probably not much. Since Harts is worth $6m to everyone else here, maybe Nashville will think so too. Throw in Coburn.

The article in the Phila Inquirer about Parise is dead on. We are not getting Suter or Weber. Parise would be perfect. Harts is a non-issue right now. Debate all we want - Carle will sign.

And that is that (BTW - sarcasm laced throughout my comments).

- Daman


Hartnell will always be an issue. Carle will always be an issue. Why? Because those who cannot simply root for "The crest on the front, not the name on the back," will redundantly voice their hate of a player instead of simply criticizing their play. There is a difference between the two, but like much of American discourse, definitions are blurred and then redefined.

Parise would be a stellar addition. I joked about the misspelling of Praise/Parise, of course.

As for the first paragraph of yours above I'm lost.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
I was testing the intelligence on the board. I flat out tell you I am being sarcastic and you still debate the point.

Thanks for proving out my theory.

- Daman


You sure like to puff yourself up.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
You sure like to puff yourself up.
- Flyskippy


Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 21 @ 1:09 PM ET

- stveshdy

Someone was seriously ripped off when they purchased chainmail online. Silly LARPer...
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 21 @ 1:10 PM ET
First, I expect the Flyers to really make a strong push to sign Justin Schultz if he becomes available. If not certainly trading a forward is a possibility, but let's just say Kimmo is ready to go for the start of the season.

Grossmann-Coburn
Kimmo-Carle
Meszaros-Guftsy
Lilija - Bourdon - Manning

I can see riding this depth to the trade deadline and assuming Pronger is on LTIR, Homer will have plenty of room to add a veteran d-man at the draft.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 21 @ 1:22 PM ET
I was testing the intelligence on the board. I flat out tell you I am being sarcastic and you still debate the point.

Thanks for proving out my theory.

- Daman


Whoops my mistake. Touche.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 21 @ 1:24 PM ET
The Flyers should be looking elsewhere for a legit defenseman. Weber would be great but I honestly dont think hes leaving Nashville especially if Suter does. The money will be almost impossible to turn down imo.
- stveshdy


Bill wrote last week that he could see Weber being shopped only if Suter resigns. Which begs the question, why would Nashville take Suter over Weber? So I agree I don't think Weber is going anywhere.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 21 @ 1:37 PM ET
I'm done for the day. Find someone else to pick apart the rest of the day. You guys are just....
- RooNosHockey



as long as the Flyers address their needs and they leave a couple of $$ to cover their day to day sh!t with the cap, I don't care who gets what...
it's not every dollar out of my pocket. Put the best team on the ice and just win the flippin cup.
With that I drew my line in the sand and it's erasable.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 21 @ 1:37 PM ET
Bill wrote last week that he could see Weber being shopped only if Suter resigns. Which begs the question, why would Nashville take Suter over Weber? So I agree I don't think Weber is going anywhere.
- NickTheKid87


Homer has to explore other avenues at this point.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 21 @ 1:39 PM ET
Jamie McBain has agreed to a two-year extension with the Carolina Hurricanes.
McBain's contract will reportedly come with a $1.8 million annual cap hit. McBain had eight goals and 27 points in 76 games in his second full NHL season. He was scheduled to become a restricted free agent this summer.
Source: James Mirtle on Twitter

I know people discussed getting him at the TDL last season.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 21 @ 1:43 PM ET
I was testing the intelligence on the board. I flat out tell you I am being sarcastic and you still debate the point.

Thanks for proving out my theory.

- Daman



Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

May 21 @ 1:47 PM ET
The Pronger deal was Lupul, Sbisa, 2009 1st & 2010 1st + future considerations for Prongs & Ryan Dingle. I feel Weber would have the Flyers giving up Schenn, JVR, 2 or 3 1sts and then some.
- NickTheKid87


It would be schenn or JVR...
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

May 21 @ 1:48 PM ET
Hartnell was also going to be a UFA when he signed. He got the dollar amount that the market would bear at the time.
- Jsaquella


And he chose to come here.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 21 @ 1:51 PM ET
Jamie McBain has agreed to a two-year extension with the Carolina Hurricanes.
McBain's contract will reportedly come with a $1.8 million annual cap hit. McBain had eight goals and 27 points in 76 games in his second full NHL season. He was scheduled to become a restricted free agent this summer.
Source: James Mirtle on Twitter

I know people discussed getting him at the TDL last season.

- stveshdy

That seems low but only 2 years.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

May 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
All we're saying is to use logic and be open. You make comparisons that make little sense or have conditions on them that don't apply. You harp on Hartnell being the second highest paid forward, then when confronted with the fact that the other forwards are RFAs and haven't gotten their big paydays, you immediately pull out two of the biggest stars in the league as examples of RFAs that got paid.

You make comments, and then get in a huff when somebody explains why your logic is not right.

- Jsaquella


Who the H E Double Hockey Sticks are you to tell me MY OPINION is not right? I voice an opinion. You can agree and disagree as you choose, but you are a NOBODY in the hockey world to tell me my opinion has no merit. Your "logic" is nothing more then a guessing game, just like anyone elses. And I didnt say the Flyers Will. I always said IMO and If it were me... It's MY OPINION.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 21 @ 2:00 PM ET
Who the H E Double Hockey Sticks are you to tell me MY OPINION is not right? I voice an opinion. You can agree and disagree as you choose, but you are a NOBODY in the hockey world to tell me my opinion has no merit. Your "logic" is nothing more then a guessing game, just like anyone elses. And I didnt say the Flyers Will. I always said IMO and If it were me... It's MY OPINION.
- RooNosHockey

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 21 @ 2:01 PM ET
I wouldn't pay Hartnell more than $5m a year either. Are we entitled to intelligent ones, or do we have to draw more shapes in the sand in the corner with paint?

Forget Suter.

What would it take to get Weber? He was a second round draft pick in a not deep draft, so probably not much. Since Harts is worth $6m to everyone else here, maybe Nashville will think so too. Throw in Coburn.

The article in the Phila Inquirer about Parise is dead on. We are not getting Suter or Weber. Parise would be perfect. Harts is a non-issue right now. Debate all we want - Carle will sign.

And that is that (BTW - sarcasm laced throughout my comments).

- Daman

Wait.. is this serious logic or sarcasm?

Just because a guy wasnt a 1st rd pick doesnt mean it wont take much to get him. He could have gone undrafted, or picked last, played the same way and it would still take the same amount to land him.

It would probably take JvR, Meszy or Coburn, maybe even Schenn, and 1-3 1sts.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 21 @ 2:01 PM ET
Who the H E Double Hockey Sticks are you to tell me MY OPINION is not right? I voice an opinion. You can agree and disagree as you choose, but you are a NOBODY in the hockey world to tell me my opinion has no merit. Your "logic" is nothing more then a guessing game, just like anyone elses. And I didnt say the Flyers Will. I always said IMO and If it were me... It's MY OPINION.
- RooNosHockey



You can actually type He!!...see that...

I guess we all need facts to push our own opinions.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 21 @ 2:02 PM ET
It would be schenn or JVR...
- Philly1980


I'm not sure. I think Nashville would want both.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 21 @ 2:02 PM ET
Wait.. is this serious logic or sarcasm?

Just because a guy wasnt a 1st rd pick doesnt mean it wont take much to get him. He could have gone undrafted, or picked last, played the same way and it would still take the same amount to land him.

It would probably take JvR, Meszy or Coburn, maybe even Schenn, and 1-3 1sts.

- jak521



it's sarcasm...go back a page or two....
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 21 @ 2:03 PM ET
I'm not sure. I think Nashville would want both.
- NickTheKid87



i know it's been said...
love the avatar Nick
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 21 @ 2:06 PM ET
And completed my bromance at the time (as my brother & brother-in-law can attest, as I wanted Hartnell signed as an UFA & HomLer outdid my hopes by acquiring his
- Flyskippy[and Timonen's] rights). Hence my Hartnell jersey soon afterward.


You have the hair for a Hartnell jersey
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 21 @ 2:09 PM ET
Per Bill on twitter, Grossmann's agent says that the defensemen's knee is fine and will not require surgery.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 21 @ 2:10 PM ET
Per Bill on twitter, Grossmann's agent says that the defensemen's knee is fine and will not require surgery.
- Jsaquella

Which knee??
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