I dont agree, Liles was one of the better Dmen on the leafs before he had the concussion, thats something you can't really control.

before - 34gp 4g 17a 21p
After - 33gp 3g 3a 6p
Before concussion over 82gp = 10g 41a 51p

Signing Schultz for free only opens more options and gives more depth. taking your own point you do not know what you are getting with him yet, and he would be an entry level contract, so its not like Burke can overpay for him, if he works out, we have more options to move someone for another need.
- senstroll

The Leafs were scoring at a way higher rate early in the season. When the team leveled off, so did Liles. Regardless of whether or not he had a concussion, he wasn't going to keep up the pace anyway.

Fact is, Liles is 30, overrated and overpaid. The Leafs wasted a 2nd round pick on him and Burke was really stupid to give him an extension before he was even back from injury. Liles should have been traded at the deadline.

As for Schultz, even though he's unproven, he's probably going to go where he will get the ice / PP time. As long as the Leafs have a 30 year old veteran taking up PP time, it's a lot harder to sell to Schultz that he's going to get the ice time he wants and needs to succeed.

The Leafs were scoring at a way higher rate early in the season. When the team leveled off, so did Liles. Regardless of whether or not he had a concussion, he wasn't going to keep up the pace anyway.

Fact is, Liles is 30, overrated and overpaid. The Leafs wasted a 2nd round pick on him and Burke was really stupid to give him an extension before he was even back from injury. Liles should have been traded at the deadline.

As for Schultz, even though he's unproven, he's probably going to go where he will get PP time. As long as the Leafs have a 30 year old veteran taking up PP time, it's a lot harder to sell to Schultz that he's going to get the ice time he wants and needs to succeed.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hello, thats what makes franson and gunner both expendable?

How does this sound for the leafs:

1) Make an offer for Parise
2) Make an offer for Ryan Suter
3) Convince and make an offer for Justin Schultz
4) Trade for Stasny (centerman)
5) Trade for Chris Stewart (power forward)
6) Trade for Luongo/Bernier (goalie)
7) Make an offer for Gaustad
8) I just noticed Brad Stuart is a UFA, he would be an amazing inquiry as well for defense....
9) I dont think penner is a an appropiate choice to make an offer to... unless he is had cheap
- Mapleleafs_91

Every single day you list the same suggestions and you get the same answers.

What the hell would Parise and Suter want to do in Toronto? Both of them are interested in winning. Toronto isn't even close to winning yet. Both of them probably want 7+ million dollars a year for very long time. Another thing Burke refuses to do.

The Luongo crap has been said 1000 times. He's the wrong goalie for the Leafs. Horrible contract, 33 years old, only going to get worse and going to cost too much to acquire.

Hello, thats what makes franson and gunner both expendable?

- Mapleleafs_91

Both Franson and Gunnarsson are younger and cheaper. Gunnarsson was 2nd in ice time last year. That's "expendable"?

One more thing, based on those posts about over-valuing J. Staal. Yes, he's topped out at 52 points so far, but that was with 3rd line minutes. How many other FWDs playhing predominantly 3rd line minutes have put up 50+ points in recent years?
- 1979AD

Wrong. Staal has averaged 20 minutes per game almost every year of his career. He IS NOT getting 3rd line minutes. He is the 3rd best center but it doesn't mean he's playing "3rd line minutes". 3rd line minutes are 12 to 15 minutes a game. Staal averages way more than that.

Staal is exactly what the Leafs need.

He isn't. His offensive abilities aren't equal to his brother Eric. Because of that, he will never be able to give the Leafs the kind of offense they would need and expect from a 1st line center.

The only way Staal could be an effective #1 center in Toronto is if they completely changed the way they play. They would have to play like the Bruins or the Predators to have a 50-60 point, 1st line center and succeed.

Slightly overpaid; his contract was based on two Norris finalist years.

Once you're named the league's most overrated player you're no longer overrated.

Agrred: he shouldn't have the pressure of being the capitan. The Leafs should still be looking for their post-Sundin C. But then again, we'd all blaming the 15 losses in 17 on the fact they didn't have a captain...
- 1979AD

Naming him captain that early was a mistake. It put too much pressure on him and it's something he clearly can't handle or do very well.

Ewww at the people defending Dion on here.

Ewww at the people defending Dion on here.
- Leafland

With two years left on his deal, it's definitely time to start thinking about trading him and keep adding to this rebuild.

Every single day you list the same suggestions and you get the same answers.

What the hell would Parise and Suter want to do in Toronto? Both of them are interested in winning. Toronto isn't even close to winning yet. Both of them probably want 7+ million dollars a year for very long time. Another thing Burke refuses to do.

The Luongo crap has been said 1000 times. He's the wrong goalie for the Leafs. Horrible contract, 33 years old, only going to get worse and going to cost too much to acquire.
- Unholy_Goalie

Thats why i said offer, you dont just not offer these players nothing when your brian burke, you always give it a try... secondly luongo is not the wrong goalie for the leafs, do you have a better goalie in mind?

then theres stasny, chris stewart we can make a trade for while they are at their lowest value...

gaustad would probably be interested into coming to TO

and what do you think of brad stuart by chance being a UFA?? any interest there?

Both Franson and Gunnarsson are younger and cheaper. Gunnarsson was 2nd in ice time last year. That's "expendable"?


- Unholy_Goalie

HOW IN THE HELL IS GUNNERSON AND FRANSON YOUNGER AND CHEAPER?

Justin schultz is 22 years old...franson is 25.... gunner is 26.... so how does your explanation suit that they are younger?

How does this sound for the leafs:

1) Make an offer for Parise
2) Make an offer for Ryan Suter
3) Convince and make an offer for Justin Schultz
4) Trade for Stasny (centerman)
5) Trade for Chris Stewart (power forward)
6) Trade for Luongo/Bernier (goalie)
7) Make an offer for Gaustad
8) I just noticed Brad Stuart is a UFA, he would be an amazing inquiry as well for defense....
9) I dont think penner is a an appropiate choice to make an offer to... unless he is had cheap
- Mapleleafs_91

It sounds like NHL12 is a lot of fun.

Thats why i said offer, you dont just not offer these players nothing when your brian burke, you always give it a try... secondly luongo is not the wrong goalie for the leafs, do you have a better goalie in mind?

then theres stasny, chris stewart we can make a trade for while they are at their lowest value...

gaustad would probably be interested into coming to TO

and what do you think of brad stuart by chance being a UFA?? any interest there?
- Mapleleafs_91

HOW IN THE HELL IS GUNNERSON AND FRANSON YOUNGER AND CHEAPER?

Justin schultz is 22 years old...franson is 25.... gunner is 26.... so how does your explanation suit that they are younger?
- Mapleleafs_91

Younger and cheaper than Liles.

Figure it out.

And Gunnarsson, 2nd in ice time among defenders, isn't just "expendable" like he's a 7th defender.

It sounds like NHL12 is a lot of fun.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

how does it sound like nhl 12... you make your best offers to the best players available, if thats a no go... we still need a center, a goalie, and a powerforward.
Stewart, Stasny, Luongo can all be had cheaply.

Then both gaustad and brad stuart are UFAS, you make an offer to them too if they are interested in coming here... then thats that. Who am i demanding stamkos or crosby, these are all real chances and trades that can happen given the circumstances of teams.

It sounds like NHL12 is a lot of fun.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

He probably had to create Justin Schultz.

Made him a 99.

Signed him.

Won the Cup.

Younger and cheaper than Liles.

Figure it out.

And Gunnarsson, 2nd in ice time among defenders, isn't just "expendable" like he's a 7th defender.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hello we just signed liles... hes not going anywhere... gunner and franson will be traded if we sign justin schultz... not every single player on our team has to be under the age of 30... thats why we have vets and youth mixed. Which thus makes gunner and franson expendable to be included in trades..

how does it sound like nhl 12... you make your best offers to the best players available, if thats a no go... we still need a center, a goalie, and a powerforward.
Stewart, Stasny, Luongo can all be had cheaply.
- Mapleleafs_91

- Unholy_Goalie

sorry if im making real assumptions not giving away our 1st rounders, prospects, and future

- Unholy_Goalie

Whats the laughter about? they are at low values now you mort

how does it sound like nhl 12... you make your best offers to the best players available, if thats a no go... we still need a center, a goalie, and a powerforward.
Stewart, Stasny, Luongo can all be had cheaply.

Then both gaustad and brad stuart are UFAS, you make an offer to them too if they are interested in coming here... then thats that. Who am i demanding stamkos or crosby, these are all real chances and trades that can happen given the circumstances of teams.
- Mapleleafs_91

I'm not trying to be a Richard, I'm really not . Perhaps you're suggesting only 1 of those moves will happen? I'm assuming not all. Can't be.

- Leafland

I'm not trying to be a Richard, I'm really not . Perhaps you're suggesting only 1 of those moves will happen? I'm assuming not all. Can't be.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I know but they are all possibilities... not saying we get them all heck i already know we wont get parise and suter but doesnt hurt to try right?

The possiblity of getting Gaustad theres a good chance, brad stuart not so much since i think he will resign with detroit. While justin schultz can be interested to coming to the leafs since we have jake gardiner. Its either edmonton or toronto... i swear to god if i hear a nucks fan saying hes going to the nucks just makes me laugh, yes to the nucks he goes whatta joke that is.

Along with stewart, stasny, and luongo/bernier... they can/will be traded

i swear to god if i hear a nucks fan saying hes going to the nucks just makes me laugh, yes to the nucks he goes whatta joke that is.
- Mapleleafs_91

Yeah, zero chance he wants to play for a team from the province he was born in or for a team that's actually in the playoffs. What a joke!

I know but they are all possibilities... not saying we get them all heck i already know we wont get parise and suter but doesnt hurt to try right?

The possiblity of getting Gaustad theres a good chance, brad stuart not so much since i think he will resign with detroit. While justin schultz can be interested to coming to the leafs since we have jake gardiner. Its either edmonton or toronto... i swear to god if i hear a nucks fan saying hes going to the nucks just makes me laugh, yes to the nucks he goes whatta joke that is.

Along with stewart, stasny, and luongo/bernier... they can/will be traded
- Mapleleafs_91

Any reason why leaf fans have to believe that every player in the world wants to, and just has to play for the leafs, when it rarely if ever works out, ever?