Macs score 60 pts once, in a career year in TO. Scored 43 points this year, and broke 30 points once in the 5 years before that. Hardly a perennial 60 pt scorer. As per usual you are over valuing and reaching here to justify getting good players for plugs.
- shinebox

Macs not a plug he's chippy, can score is ok two ways. And if u go by what have you done for me lately has done more then stewart ... Stl won't be getting much more then Mac and a late pick maybe 3rd or 4th IMO

Macs not a plug he's chippy, can score is ok two ways. And if u go by what have you done for me lately has done more then stewart ... Stl won't be getting much more then Mac and a late pick maybe 3rd or 4th IMO
- The_Vark

Then the Leafs wont be getting Stewart, lol, that was easy...

Then the Leafs wont be getting Stewart, lol, that was easy...
- shinebox

Fair enough

Then the Leafs wont be getting Stewart, lol, that was easy...
- shinebox

The point i was trying to make is you're saying Mac is a plug and that's not true I'm not saying he's some amazing player just he's not a plug

Then the Leafs wont be getting Stewart, lol, that was easy...
- shinebox

Macarthur isn't a plug, he's a pretty useful player. good third line winger that can fill in on second line if need be, provide some grit, etc. I can see him putting up 50 points again, if that line gets moving again.

Now obviously, he's no Chris Stewart. And the other poster is obviously off base in terms of macarthur and a third. Hed go for below what he got previously, but a hell of a lot more than that. More like macarthur, a second, and a decent prospect, if I had to guess.

TOR: Chris Stewart

STL: Clarke Macarthur, Marcel Mueller, 3rd Round 2013

TOR: Chris Stewart

STL: Clarke Macarthur, Marcel Mueller, 3rd Round 2013
- PatsLeafs

Not enough. No way.

Not enough. No way.
- prock

There's no point in giving up much more than that. We've got Ashton who could turn into the same kind of player given more NHL experience

TOR: Chris Stewart

STL: Clarke Macarthur, Marcel Mueller, 3rd Round 2013
- PatsLeafs

There's a better and smarter way to get Chris Stewart. Unfortunately, Burke would never go for it.

Chris Stewart fell from grace with Hitchcock and the coaching staff. But luckily he's an RFA. That means teams who want him are in luck. The Blues, being a budget team, can't afford to waste an extra million dollars or two on Stewart. The Leafs however, most certainly can.

If the Leafs made Chris Stewart an offer of 3.1 million or less, it would cost them a 2nd round pick or less. Would the Blues match that offer knowing that Hitchcock and Stewart are at odds?

I think if the Leafs offered him a four year deal at 3.1 million per year, the Blues might be inclined to walk away from it rather than take on a 12.4 million dollar commitment with a player they know isn't getting along well with the coach.

Below is the 2011/2012 compensation chart. Probably will go up for the upcoming season.

$1,034,249 or below: No compensation
$1,034,250 – $1,567,043: A 3rd round draft pick.
$1,567,044 – $3,134,088: A 2nd round draft pick.
$3,134,089 – $4,701,131: A 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
$4,701,132 – $6,268,175: A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick.
$6,268,176 – $7,835,219: Two 1st’s, a 2nd and a 3rd round draft pick.
Over $7,835,219: Four 1st round draft picks.

There's a better and smarter way to get Chris Stewart. Unfortunately, Burke would never go for it.

Chris Stewart fell from grace with Hitchcock and the coaching staff. But luckily he's an RFA. That means teams who want him are in luck. The Blues, being a budget team, can't afford to waste an extra million dollars or two on Stewart. The Leafs however, most certainly can.

If the Leafs made Chris Stewart an offer of 3.1 million or less, it would cost them a 2nd round pick or less. Would the Blues match that offer knowing that Hitchcock and Stewart are at odds?

$1,034,249 or below: No compensation
$1,034,250 – $1,567,043: A 3rd round draft pick.
$1,567,044 – $3,134,088: A 2nd round draft pick.
$3,134,089 – $4,701,131: A 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
$4,701,132 – $6,268,175: A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick.
$6,268,176 – $7,835,219: Two 1st’s, a 2nd and a 3rd round draft pick.
Over $7,835,219: Four 1st round draft picks.
- Unholy_Goalie

I suspect if he gets to free agency, and there are teams putting up offers, he'll get a better offer than that though. Why would he sign with the leafs for that, when he can get way more from someone else.

There's no point in giving up much more than that. We've got Ashton who could turn into the same kind of player given more NHL experience
- PatsLeafs

The chances of carter ashton turning into a 30 goal scorer as tough as Chris Stewart are slim to none.

It is every bit worth giving up more than macarthur and spare parts.

I suspect if he gets to free agency, and there are teams putting up offers, he'll get a better offer than that though. Why would he sign with the leafs for that, when he can get way more from someone else.
- prock

RFA.

How many teams are out there lining up to offer him a four year, 12.4 million dollar deal after he scored 15 goals and 30 points and didn't get along with one of the best coaches in the league?

Chris Stewart is a gamble. And that goes for anybody out there whether it's the Blues or the Leafs or anybody else. Who else is willing to roll the dice with 12.4 million dollars?

Start naming the teams.

RFA.

How many teams are out there lining up to offer him a four year, 12.4 million dollar deal after he scored 15 goals and 30 points and didn't get along with one of the best coaches in the league?

Chris Stewart is a gamble. And that goes for anybody out there whether it's the Blues or the Leafs or anybody else. Who else is willing to roll the dice with 12.4 million dollars?

Start naming the teams.
- Unholy_Goalie

Washington, with semin coming off the cap, and some grit would be nice. Carolina and the islanders could use a good tough forward and have lots of cap space. Columbus may be into a shakeup. Florida, minny, nashville.

If there are teams willing to take gambles on the dustin penners and vaneks of the world, what makes you think no one would do the same for a guy like stewart, and at a similar price? Easily at 4m too. That's way under market, even with the bad season, and you know it.

I doubt he stands a shot at getting signed for 3m.

Washington, with semin coming off the cap, and some grit would be nice. Carolina and the islanders could use a good tough forward and have lots of cap space. Columbus may be into a shakeup.

If there are teams willing to take gambles on the dustin penners and vaneks of the world, what makes you think no one would do the same for a guy like stewart, and at a similar price? Easily at 4m too. That's way under market, even with the bad season, and you know it.

I doubt he stands a shot at getting signed for 3m.
- prock

Cap space is only half the story. Budget teams like Carolina are going to take a 12.4 million dollar risk on a 15 goal, 30 point player? The Islanders? Nope. Washington is going to replace a notoriously lazy player for another player who was accused of being the exact same way? Don't think so.

You keep forgetting that it's not just the 3.1 million cap hit. It's the length of the deal. And RFA contracts are first come, first serve type of a deal. If the Leafs are the first team in line, offer him 12.4 million over four years and he agrees, then it's up to the Blues to accept or decline.

And the Blues have a lot of more important RFA players to take care of in the next two years. They already got Shattenkirk from the Johnson deal. Losing Stewart hurts but if it's for financial reasons, it's something they might get squeezed into doing.

Cap space is only half the story. Budget teams like Carolina are going to take a 12.4 million dollar risk on a 15 goal, 30 point player? The Islanders? Nope. Washington is going to replace a notoriously lazy player for another player who was accused of being the exact same way? Don't think so.

You keep forgetting that it's not just the 3.1 million cap hit. It's the length of the deal. And RFA contracts are first come, first serve type of a deal. If the Leafs are the first team in line, offer him 12.4 million over four years and he agrees, then it's up to the Blues to accept or decline.

And the Blues have a lot of more important RFA players to take care of in the next two years. They already got Shattenkirk from the Johnson deal. Losing Stewart hurts but if it's for financial reasons, it's something they might get squeezed into doing.
- Unholy_Goalie

Its not first come first serve. He negotiates just like a ufa would, nothing changes till he signs.

I'm not forgetting anything. You're being naïve if you think no one offers him more than that.

Its not first come first serve. He negotiates just like a ufa would, nothing changes till he signs.

I'm not forgetting anything. You're being naïve if you think no one offers him more than that.
- prock

And nobody else would give him 12.4 million over 4 years after 15 goals and 30 points and an attitude problem. Definitely not any budget teams.

You're being naive if you expect this guy to cash in any bigger than that after such a poor season.

And nobody else would give him 12.4 million over 4 years after 15 goals and 30 points and an attitude problem. Definitely not any budget teams.

You're being naive if you expect this guy to cash in any bigger than that after such a poor season.
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh yeah, he's totally going to get david backes type money after the same david backes type season even though backes never came close to sniffing a 30 goal season before in his career. Makes total sense. I mean, its not like hjalmarson didn't get a 4.5m offer sheet after his blazing 17 point season on the second line.

You're right, no one would take a 4m chance on a 24 year old that has two 30ish goal seasons under his belt and a phenomenal mean streak and physical impact.

Are you on drugs?

Oh yeah, he's totally going to get david backes type money after the same david backes type season even though backes never came close to sniffing a 30 goal season before in his career. Makes total sense. I mean, its not like hjalmarson didn't get a 4.5m offer sheet after his blazing 17 point season on the second line.
- prock

David Backes has two 30 goal seasons. One of them came the year before he signed an extension. And he signed his extension mid-season. And he's their captain. And he doesn't have an attitude problem. Nor has he had a season where he scored only 30 points when he was suppose to score twice that amount.

Hjalmarsson? The defender? The Cup winning defender? Pretty sure his points don't matter the same way that Stewart's numbers matter considering Stewart is suppose to score and Hjalmarsson is a defensive defender. And he makes 3.5 million per year, not 4.5 million. But keep it coming. This is gold.

You're right, no one would take a 4m chance on a 24 year old that has two 30ish goal seasons under his belt and a phenomenal mean streak and physical impact.

Are you on drugs?

12.4 million over 4 years for a guy who just scored 15 goals and 30 points with attitude problems. It's a risk budget teams, including the Blues, would probably walk away from.

I know it's a long weekend but go easy on the 'shrooms. You're tripping. Hard.

David Backes has two 30 goal seasons. One of them came the year before he signed an extension. And he signed his extension mid-season. And he's their captain. And he doesn't have an attitude problem. Nor has he had a season where he scored only 30 points when he was suppose to score twice that amount.

Hjalmarsson? The defender? The Cup winning defender? Pretty sure his points don't matter the same way that Stewart's numbers matter considering Stewart is suppose to score and Hjalmarsson is a defensive defender.



12.4 million over 4 years for a guy who just scored 15 goals and 30 points with attitude problems. It's a risk budget teams, including the Blues, would probably walk away from.

I know it's a long weekend but go easy on the 'shrooms. You're tripping. Hard.
- Unholy_Goalie

Listen, why don't you just look up when these guys got their rfa offers. Backes career high was 31 points. He never sniffed 30 goals. He got a 2.5 mil offer sheet. Hjalmarsson was on the second line.

There will always be teams giving out insane offers to these guys, especially at his age.

Macarthur isn't a plug, he's a pretty useful player. good third line winger that can fill in on second line if need be, provide some grit, etc. I can see him putting up 50 points again, if that line gets moving again.

Now obviously, he's no Chris Stewart. And the other poster is obviously off base in terms of macarthur and a third. Hed go for below what he got previously, but a hell of a lot more than that. More like macarthur, a second, and a decent prospect, if I had to guess.
- prock

My thing is, why would St Louis pay so much for him and then turn around and trade him for Clarke (frank)ing MacArthur and and unknown in the pick? Because leaf fans want them to? What's in this for them? As far as i can see, nothing, absolutely nothing, trade a young potential Powerforward for a dime a (frank)ing dozen player like MacArthur and an unknown pick. Come on man be serious.

Listen, why don't you just look up when these guys got their rfa offers. Backes career high was 31 points. He never sniffed 30 goals. He got a 2.5 mil offer sheet. Hjalmarsson was on the second line.

There will always be teams giving out insane offers to these guys, especially at his age.
- prock

Listen to posts? I think you're doing it wrong.

How does a 3 year, 2.5 million dollar per year offer sheet to one of their core players and current captain compare to a 4 year, 3.1 million dollar per year offer sheet for a player who underachieved and has attitude issues? Oh wait, it doesn't and you screwed up again.

The Blues matched that offer sheet because Backes doesn't have the same problems that they are having with Stewart. Stewart is suppose to be scoring twice as much as he is. But he's not. He also has a problem with his coach. The Blues could afford to take the risk with Backes. They can't do they same with Stewart.

For the second time, Hjalmarsson plays defense. Please, try to figure it out.

My thing is, why would St Louis pay so much for him and then turn around and trade him for Clarke (frank)ing MacArthur and and unknown in the pick? Because leaf fans want them to? What's in this for them? As far as i can see, nothing, absolutely nothing, trade a young potential Powerforward for a dime a (frank)ing dozen player like MacArthur and an unknown pick. Come on man be serious.
- shinebox

The Leafs would have to offer up fair value or overpay Stewart as an RFA to get them to part with him.

The only way Stewart would go so cheaply would be if he had a HUGE attitude problem and they absolutely had to get rid of him for the sake of team chemistry. But I highly doubt it's that bad. Chances are he just doesn't get along with Hitchcock.

The Leafs would have to offer up fair value or overpay Stewart as an RFA to get them to part with him.

The only way Stewart would go so cheaply would be if he had a HUGE attitude problem and they absolutely had to get rid of him for the sake of team chemistry. But I highly doubt it's that bad. Chances are he just doesn't get along with Hitchcock.
- Unholy_Goalie

Exactly.

Exactly.
- shinebox

Here's the thing though.

Stewart is an RFA. So are Oshie and Perron. Next year, it's Berglund, D'Agostini, Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Russel and Cole.

If Stewart and his agent play hard ball and want 3 million a year or more, the Blues might be forced into moving him or letting him walk to an offer sheet that is too high.

MacArthur at 3.25 million would be unwise of them to take because for that price they could just keep Stewart and get twice as much potential out of him. If they were to trade Stewart, it would have to be for picks and prospects. And good ones.

Listen to posts? I think you're doing it wrong.

How does a 3 year, 2.5 million dollar per year offer sheet to one of their core players and current captain compare to a 4 year, 3.1 million dollar per year offer sheet for a player who underachieved and has attitude issues? Oh wait, it doesn't and you screwed up again.

The Blues matched that offer sheet because Backes doesn't have the same problems that they are having with Stewart. Stewart is suppose to be scoring twice as much as he is. But he's not. He also has a problem with his coach. The Blues could afford to take the risk with Backes. They can't do they same with Stewart.

For the second time, Hjalmarsson plays defense. Please, try to figure it out.
- Unholy_Goalie

BACKES WAS NOWHERE NEAR A CORE PLAYER IN THE SUMMER OF 08.