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mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 4:28 PM ET
Yeah he's doing great zero points and minus four.
- Starbuck


Yes, he is doing great. He's been an absolute stalwart.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

May 18 @ 4:32 PM ET
Bowman is hard for Yakupov...

http://blogs.edmontonjour...tty-bowman-of-pavel-bure/
thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

May 18 @ 4:39 PM ET
Richard Cloutier: End of an Error
- Maxbone

Excellent blog. I totally agree that Lowe and Tambi's are out to lunch and need to have a fire lit under their lazy asses, big time. I'm also embarrassed at my team's treatment of Renney. Those damn smug Wings fans... their management never pulls this kind of rubbish! Am I going to spend the rest of my life wishing my hockey team had the management team of the Wings?

...probably.
Richard Cloutier
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 07.30.2008

May 18 @ 4:58 PM ET
Bowman is hard for Yakupov...

http://blogs.edmontonjour...tty-bowman-of-pavel-bure/

- laughs2907


Another absolutely boneheaded article from Cult of Hockey people talking about how Yakupov could be used to get Jordan Staal. They need to let it go.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

May 18 @ 4:59 PM ET
Another absolutely boneheaded article from Cult of Hockey people talking about how Yakupov could be used to get Jordan Staal. They need to let it go.
- Maxbone

I agree. Trading for Staal is pointless unless you are a contender that can afford to lose some assets.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

May 18 @ 4:59 PM ET
Another absolutely boneheaded article from Cult of Hockey people talking about how Yakupov could be used to get Jordan Staal. They need to let it go.
- Maxbone

And what the (frank). I don't like this agreeing with you
Jack-artist
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Yakapoo is khl bound. After t, AB
Joined: 01.27.2010

May 18 @ 5:20 PM ET
Excellent blog. I totally agree that Lowe and Tambi's are out to lunch and need to have a fire lit under their lazy asses, big time. I'm also embarrassed at my team's treatment of Renney. Those damn smug Wings fans... their management never pulls this kind of rubbish! Am I going to spend the rest of my life wishing my hockey team had the management team of the Wings?

...probably.

- thefullnelson

Wings are the best management team in the league and it would be hard to touch them, but SJ, PIT, NSH, VAN, BOS, and even PHX are other teams worthy of emulating in terms of management.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 18 @ 5:31 PM ET
Wings are the best management team in the league and it would be hard to touch them, but SJ, PIT, NSH, VAN, BOS, and even PHX are other teams worthy of emulating in terms of management.
- Jack-artist


Not disagreeing per se,
But
Pit had 5 lottery picks in a row.

And As far as phx goes. Id put most of that on tippet.
Hes there franchise player.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

May 18 @ 5:35 PM ET
Favorite K-Lowe moment ever... 2:18-2:22

Show him the banners *Gobble gobble* Show em the banners!!

laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

May 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
Another absolutely boneheaded article from Cult of Hockey people talking about how Yakupov could be used to get Jordan Staal. They need to let it go.
- Maxbone


Yeah... Yakupov reminds me of Bure... Trade him for Staal!!!
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 5:49 PM ET
Wings are the best management team in the league and it would be hard to touch them, but SJ, PIT, NSH, VAN, BOS, and even PHX are other teams worthy of emulating in terms of management.
- Jack-artist


San Jose to an extent. Them constantly being in the cup hunt certainly deserves recognition. But until they take that next step, I don't consider them in the upper echelon.

Ray Shero is the most over-rated GM in the league. He's solid. Those who praise him as if he's one of the games best need to get a clue. How hard could it possibly be to manage a team that have players like the ones Pitt have?

Nashville, IMO, is the best managed organization in the league. Shouldn't really have to explain to most. Even casual hockey fans can see top to bottom that that team is run like a well oiled machine.

Vancouver? See San Jose. Vancouver has just joined more recent success being one game from a cup, but for the most part, their organizations are very similar.

Chiarelli is an absolute beast. Guy knows how to build a winner. Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton? Gave up Colborne+ and got Kaberle, who helped them to a cup. Amazing what he's done in a few years. Crazy to think at one point this teams leading goal scorer during the regular season was Chuck (frank)ing Kobasew.

Don Maloney is nominated for GM of the year for a reason. Guy knows talent. If he could spend to the cap, Phoenix would have cups, as in mulitple.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
Maloney eh... I dunno. Maybe.

No denying acquiring yandle. Dudes sick.
And drafting oek was good too, but its not like he was the only guy salivating over oliver.

But how good are the yotes really?
Great coaching, and they play a system tippet put in place to a tee.

Chicago badly outplayed them in a few games and threw the kitchen sink at smith... No luck.
I dont really think picking him up was a stroke of genious either. He was kinda pushed out by tbay after a bunch of mediocre starts.
I think they didnt have alot of options, and picked up a guy for cheap and lucked out. He wasnt even the sure starter over labarbera initially.

Korpikoski, Vrbata, Vermette, langkow, chipchura etc.
I wouldnt call that alot of talent.
Like nash the previous years, i kinda think its a group of decent players overachieving and wonderfully coached.

mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 6:10 PM ET
Maloney eh... I dunno. Maybe.

No denying acquiring yandle. Dudes sick.
And drafting oek was good too, but its not like he was the only guy salivating over oliver.

But how good are the yotes really?
Great coaching, and they play a system tippet put in place to a tee.

Chicago badly outplayed them in a few games and threw the kitchen sink at smith... No luck.
I dont really think picking him up was a stroke of genious either. He was kinda pushed out by tbay after a bunch of mediocre starts.
I think they didnt have alot of options, and picked up a guy for cheap and lucked out. He wasnt even the sure starter over labarbera initially.

Korpikoski, Vrbata, Vermette, langkow, chipchura etc.
I wouldnt call that alot of talent.
Like nash the previous years, i kinda think its a group of decent players overachieving and wonderfully coached
.

- hugefemale dog77


Look at their payroll. Theres your answer.
Starbuck
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Say no to Yakupov !!!
Joined: 09.08.2009

May 18 @ 6:12 PM ET
San Jose to an extent. Them constantly being in the cup hunt certainly deserves recognition. But until they take that next step, I don't consider them in the upper echelon.

Ray Shero is the most over-rated GM in the league. He's solid. Those who praise him as if he's one of the games best need to get a clue. How hard could it possibly be to manage a team that have players like the ones Pitt have?

Nashville, IMO, is the best managed organization in the league. Shouldn't really have to explain to most. Even casual hockey fans can see top to bottom that that team is run like a well oiled machine.

Vancouver? See San Jose. Vancouver has just joined more recent success being one game from a cup, but for the most part, their organizations are very similar.

Chiarelli is an absolute beast. Guy knows how to build a winner. Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton? Gave up Colborne+ and got Kaberle, who helped them to a cup. Amazing what he's done in a few years. Crazy to think at one point this teams leading goal scorer during the regular season was Chuck (frank)ing Kobasew.

Don Maloney is nominated for GM of the year for a reason. Guy knows talent. If he could spend to the cap, Phoenix would have cups, as in mulitple.

- mochoson


Detroit is a well oiled machine.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 6:17 PM ET
Detroit is a well oiled machine.
- Starbuck


They were a well oiled machine.

Detroit got a jumpstart on bringing players over from Europe. While I still consider Kenny Holland one of the better GM's in the league, their inability to bring in any key contributors since Zets and Dats is alarming. The roster isn't getting any younger.

Detroit gets a pass from me for now. I still consider them one of the better run teams in the league. How long they remain amongst the leagues best is congruent with how good guys like Jarnkrok, Pulkinen, Nyquist, Smith, Sheehan, etc end up being.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 18 @ 6:19 PM ET
Look at their payroll. Theres your answer.
- mochoson


I know. A bunch of decent players fantastically coached.

Anyway, its not about me bashing maloney. I just think its far more tippet.
Which in itself can be attributed to maloney hiring him as well i guess...
Starbuck
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Say no to Yakupov !!!
Joined: 09.08.2009

May 18 @ 6:40 PM ET
They were a well oiled machine.

Detroit got a jumpstart on bringing players over from Europe. While I still consider Kenny Holland one of the better GM's in the league, their inability to bring in any key contributors since Zets and Dats is alarming. The roster isn't getting any younger.

Detroit gets a pass from me for now. I still consider them one of the better run teams in the league. How long they remain amongst the leagues best is congruent with how good guys like Jarnkrok, Pulkinen, Nyquist, Smith, Sheehan, etc end up being.

- mochoson


Everytime somebody writes them off the come storming back.

The Wings have cap space which is very dangerous for other teams. I see them reloading big time this summer (Suter & or Parise)
longbottom
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 06.29.2010

May 18 @ 6:48 PM ET
In My Honest Opinion and take it for what you will. The Oilers had until the end of June for Renney and I feel Tambellinni wanted him back and Katz and Lowe put their foot down. Look at the Record MacT(Lowe's choice) was given 1 year and was given or suggested to that the time was over for him. Quinn had 1 last place season Tambo let him get moved aside citing accountability. All of a sudden Renney (no matter who's fault it was) was given a last place season and a second last place season. Tambo left it at he wanted Renney to have a couple weeks then return with a new plan to get to the next step. I think Lowe (who is prolly the one guy who is more passionate about the Oilers than Katz.) and Katz themself put the screws in on Tambo. Mark my words if Sutter is hired it's Lowe's choice and if Tambo has a two year extension he will be gone at the end of next year not Sutter and Lowe will be G.M.
longbottom
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 06.29.2010

May 18 @ 6:51 PM ET
They were a well oiled machine.

Detroit got a jumpstart on bringing players over from Europe. While I still consider Kenny Holland one of the better GM's in the league, their inability to bring in any key contributors since Zets and Dats is alarming. The roster isn't getting any younger.

Detroit gets a pass from me for now. I still consider them one of the better run teams in the league. How long they remain amongst the leagues best is congruent with how good guys like Jarnkrok, Pulkinen, Nyquist, Smith, Sheehan, etc end up being.

- mochoson

That is because when Devallano(was G.M.) they took chances on the Euros in later rounds and Holland has been replacing them with Vets. A big shift in the program when Holland took over.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

May 18 @ 6:54 PM ET
In My Honest Opinion and take it for what you will. The Oilers had until the end of June for Renney and I feel Tambellinni wanted him back and Katz and Lowe put their foot down. Look at the Record MacT(Lowe's choice) was given 1 year and was given or suggested to that the time was over for him. Quinn had 1 last place season Tambo let him get moved aside citing accountability. All of a sudden Renney (no matter who's fault it was) was given a last place season and a second last place season. Tambo left it at he wanted Renney to have a couple weeks then return with a new plan to get to the next step. I think Lowe (who is prolly the one guy who is more passionate about the Oilers than Katz.) and Katz themself put the screws in on Tambo. Mark my words if Sutter is hired it's Lowe's choice and if Tambo has a two year extension he will be gone at the end of next year not Sutter and Lowe will be G.M.
- longbottom


Lowe returns as GM, and signs $myth to a 12 year 111 million dollar contract.

Edit: Yeah yeah... I know why $myth left in the first place. Dollah dollah billz yall, dollah dollah billz!
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 7:05 PM ET
That is because when Devallano(was G.M.) they took chances on the Euros in later rounds and Holland has been replacing them with Vets. A big shift in the program when Holland took over.
- longbottom


Holland is a very smart GM.

I'm just curious to see how some of his draft picks turn out.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 7:06 PM ET
Everytime somebody writes them off the come storming back.

The Wings have cap space which is very dangerous for other teams. I see them reloading big time this summer (Suter & or Parise)

- Starbuck


They become incredibly dangerous if they get both.

I don't see both happening though. One or the other.
longbottom
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 06.29.2010

May 18 @ 7:07 PM ET
Lowe returns as GM, and signs $myth to a 12 year 111 million dollar contract.

Edit: Yeah yeah... I know why $myth left in the first place. Dollah dollah billz yall, dollah dollah billz!

- laughs2907

Really funny thing about Lowe as G.M. was he was a tough SOB on players and their contracts see Smyth and Comrie. I still say Horcoff was paid as a 1st line center when Peca and Pronger and Spacek and Tarnstrom were all bolting. Did he panic and think that he had to overpay to keep Horcoff? He was right on the first Smyth contract dispute as Smyth left the Islanders for 6+ million to Colorado. was Smyth going to sign for the $.25 that Lowe offered the numbers speak for thamselves. He was right on the Comrie dispute Comrie wanted 1st line center money and Lowe said he hasn't put enough numbers up yet. He was right on the Penner offer sheet (the first and second year sucked) but when Penner started scoring 30+ goals a season Lowe's contract was a value. I think Lowe is so tight you could put a chunk of coal up his Azz and he would shyte out a diamond.
Fans have it all wrong on Lowe.
Starbuck
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Say no to Yakupov !!!
Joined: 09.08.2009

May 18 @ 7:08 PM ET
They become incredibly dangerous if they get both.

I don't see both happening though. One or the other.

- mochoson


Detroit also has a great history of turning rejects into useful players (ie Dan Cleary)
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 18 @ 7:12 PM ET
Detroit also has a great history of turning rejects into useful players (ie Dan Cleary)
- Starbuck


Which is why I think they sign Brad Boyes and Suter.
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