jsaq, if the flyers were to sign justin schultz, i guess it wouldn't be similar to the contracts that read and testwuide signed? it could be for more (or less) than 3 years and more than 900k per?
- flyerscup2011

I'm not 100% sure. He's a UFA, so I assume that he can sign anywhere, for any amount of money...but he might have to sign a standard ELC, which has restrictions on salary, but allows bonuses. I;d have to look it up in the CBA, and I'm not going to scroll through that tonight

jsaq, if the flyers were to sign justin schultz, i guess it wouldn't be similar to the contracts that read and testwuide signed? it could be for more (or less) than 3 years and more than 900k per?
- flyerscup2011

he'll sign entry level (automatic 3-year) and probably near max avg annual value which is 925k. it will likely be a one-way deal, too (which means he gets paid the same whether he's on nhl or ahl roster--has nothing to do with waiver eligibility)

edit: 925 is before bonuses btw, which may or may not count against the cap depending on new cba etc

he'll sign entry level (automatic 3-year) and probably near max avg annual value which is 925k. it will likely be a one-way deal, too (which means he gets paid the same whether he's on nhl or ahl roster--has nothing to do with waiver eligibility)
- OrangeBlack27

well then fire when ready, homer. git r dun!

he'll sign entry level (automatic 3-year) and probably near max avg annual value which is 925k. it will likely be a one-way deal, too (which means he gets paid the same whether he's on nhl or ahl roster--has nothing to do with waiver eligibility)

edit: 925 is before bonuses btw, which may or may not count against the cap depending on new cba etc
- OrangeBlack27

Bless you. I actually started to read up on it

well then fire when ready, homer. git r dun!
- flyerscup2011

my info was messed up. because he's 22, the deal will be two years and all ELCs are two-way. he'll prob go to whomever can guarantee him the largest role right off the bat, but each guy is different. perhaps he wants to play for a contender and work his way up? but that's doubtful, imo. play a bigger role the next two years and then get a bigger payday in 2014 (even though he'll be restricted).

http://capgeek.com/faq/ho...-level-contracts-work.php

If they win a Stanley Cup I doubt anyone in the organization gives a crap about what Torts says to the media.

Torts is a jerk, no question. So are a lot of the media members he's being a jerk towards. Rather than complaining about Tortorella, maybe they should simply ask the players and stop feeding the beast. His goal is to take the heat and scrutiny off his team. Mission accomplished.

What's the media talking about tomorrow in the Devils-Rangers series? Not that it's tied, or that the Devils controlled the play for long stretches....they'll be talking about Torts.
- Jsaquella

Bingo. That's why he's doing it.

Beyond his treatment of the media, while he's a good X and O coach, he's sometimes a bully to his own players. I don't like the way he frequently treats his players with no respect, showing individual players up on the bench all the time.

I have never once heard Tortorella publicly own up to a mistake of his own. There was a radio interview he did last year where he was asked how he's evolved as a coach in the NHL, and he basically said -- not in so many words but in spirit -- that he thinks a coach should always believe he's right and look forward, not back. He didn't admit to a single flaw.

Even Laviolette, who is cut from something of the same cloth but not as extreme as Tortorella, has owned up to certain areas where he has self-evaluated and realized he needed to improve (some of which are still ongoing areas).

Tortorella's hubris will eventually be his undoing in New York the same as it was in Tampa. The players will collectively tune him out and his rages and tantrums will be mocked by the veterans instead of feared.

Throughout the playoffs, I have found DeBoer to be classy. He is clearly every bit as good of a coach as Tortorella but treats others with the respect that he demands -- and yet he still doesn't divulge anything he doesn't want to.

And, as pompous as Tortorella is, I'd love to see the Flyers treat their more inane media members like he treats...well everyone
- Jsaquella

Lavy dishes it out pretty good sometimes, believe me. Some of it is tongue-in-cheek, especially with Panaccio, but he can be a little bit like Tortorella (not as aggressively obnoxious or extreme) when he wants to.

horseshoe up lunqvst's ass strikes again
- flyerscup2011

nope

Lavy dishes it out pretty good sometimes, believe me. Some of it is tongue-in-cheek, especially with Panaccio, but he can be a little bit like Tortorella (not as aggressively obnoxious or extreme) when he wants to.
- bmeltzer

i like tortorella in a pure entertainment way... i wouldn't want him as a coach.

lava is no dummy .

nope
- Don'tForgetTocchet

'twas in reference to the rangers' first goal, not the outcome of the game

If it's not an issue all teams should play their top 5 dmen more and let the 6th guy rot on the bench. The playoffs are like playing another 1/4 of a season. Majority of teams play all of their d-men at least 10 minutes a game, and very rarely does a team win a Cup playing essentially 5 defensemen.
- PLindbergh31

Do you have any factual data to back that up?

he'll sign entry level (automatic 3-year) and probably near max avg annual value which is 925k. it will likely be a one-way deal, too (which means he gets paid the same whether he's on nhl or ahl roster--has nothing to do with waiver eligibility)

edit: 925 is before bonuses btw, which may or may not count against the cap depending on new cba etc
- OrangeBlack27

All Entry Level deals are two way. There is no such thing as a one way entry level deal.

Is this guy serious with this? Who the hell is this guy to behave like this?


- PLindbergh31

Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. I think it's hysterical.

Do you have any factual data to back that up?
- MJL

Hows this work for ya...

LA. 6 d-men have played for them in the playoffs... meaning they have been healthy. Alec Martinez has averaged the least TOI/G at 14:56

NJ- 7 defensemen, and the lowest TOI/G was 14:14

Phx has used 8 d-men with the lowest being 12:15

NYR have used 7 with Bickell the lowest at just over 4 minutes. They are the only remaining team with out atleast 6 d-men averaging over at least 12:00 a night.

The Flyers used 9 with the lowest averaging 10:33.

The last team to win a cup while having only 5 d-men play more than 10 minutes a night was the 06-07 Ducks.. Pronger, Niedermeyer and Beauchemin all averaged 30 minutes a game.

Hows this work for ya...

LA. 6 d-men have played for them in the playoffs... meaning they have been healthy. Alec Martinez has averaged the least TOI/G at 14:56

NJ- 7 defensemen, and the lowest TOI/G was 14:14

Phx has used 8 d-men with the lowest being 12:15

NYR have used 7 with Bickell the lowest at just over 4 minutes. They are the only remaining team with out atleast 6 d-men averaging over at least 12:00 a night.

The Flyers used 9 with the lowest averaging 10:33.
- jak521

That's one playoff Season. The history of the League goes back a long ways. Which I'm sure your aware of.

That's one playoff Season. The history of the League goes back a long ways. Which I'm sure your aware of.
- MJL

The last team to win a cup while having only 5 d-men play more than 10 minutes a night was the 06-07 Ducks.. Pronger, Niedermeyer and Beauchemin all averaged 30 minutes a game.

EDIT: That Ducks team is also the only team to do that this millennium.. and going back to the 97 SC... no other team has done it. I also know that the league didnt start in 96-97' so if you wanna further research it.. by all means.

Lavy dishes it out pretty good sometimes, believe me. Some of it is tongue-in-cheek, especially with Panaccio, but he can be a little bit like Tortorella (not as aggressively obnoxious or extreme) when he wants to.
- bmeltzer

That is true, I have seen Laviolette's snide side when asked a patently dumb question. He's definitely not as deep into the whole "Jerk" role as Torttorella

My whole thing is when the media gets upset and complains about something like this. OK, Torts is a jerk and not answering questions. Go ask the players the tough questions then. Don;t cry about Torts' act and carry on.

I get that the media has a tough job and deadlines to meet. What I don;t want to see is a guy who gets paid to go to a NHL game, gets fed for free and has access to the team complain because one guy is a jackass and won't talk/answer questions.

When I go to a game, in most cases, I'm dropping a couple hundred bucks. When I read coverage of it the next day, I want to read about what happened on the ice. Not about the coach who treated the press poorly.

That is true, I have seen Laviolette's snide side when asked a patently dumb question. He's definitely not as deep into the whole "Jerk" role as Torttorella
- Jsaquella

The problem is that Torts is full of himself.. super conceited. He is a lime light guy who could care less about how other people feel. He publicly shames people all the time.. and embarrasses people all the time. There is nothing professional about that.

Even when Lava is heated.. he seems to keep it professional.

The problem is that Torts is full of himself.. super conceited. He is a lime light guy who could care less about how other people feel. He publicly shames people all the time.. and embarrasses people all the time. There is nothing professional about that.

Even when Lava is heated.. he seems to keep it professional.
- jak521

Absolutely, which is why if I was the media, I wouldn't ask him a single question. He's such an attention whore that if after one game he didn't get asked any questions, the next day at the skate he'd talk to anybody

Absolutely, which is why if I was the media, I wouldn't ask him a single question. He's such an attention whore that if after one game he didn't get asked any questions, the next day at the skate he'd talk to anybody
- Jsaquella

on top of it the guy looks like ALF

The last team to win a cup while having only 5 d-men play more than 10 minutes a night was the 06-07 Ducks.. Pronger, Niedermeyer and Beauchemin all averaged 30 minutes a game.

EDIT: That Ducks team is also the only team to do that this millennium.. and going back to the 97 SC... no other team has done it. I also know that the league didnt start in 96-97' so if you wanna further research it.. by all means.
- jak521

Good work. The bottom line is that it's certainly possible. The biggest issue in my opinion isn't playing that way on a regular basis. It's the lack of depth if you sustain an injury to one of your top defenseman.

Good work. The bottom line is that it's certainly possible. The biggest issue in my opinion isn't playing that way on a regular basis. It's the lack of depth if you sustain an injury to one of your top defenseman.
- MJL

Oh absolutely.. If one of the big three for the ducks would have gone down.. do they win that cup?

What if one of the big 4 for the Rags goes down.. thats a much bigger blow for them than any other team.

All Entry Level deals are two way. There is no such thing as a one way entry level deal.
- MJL

i corrected myself, sir, but ty anyway.

edit: was confused by the read deal i think