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Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:12 PM ET
You ok? Or are you always complaining?
- broadstreet11


I'm curious to hear your story on being a Flyers fan with a Jays avatar.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

May 15 @ 12:13 PM ET
I hardly think they are trying to "derail" the thread...they've said "he's not what you think he'll be" pretty much.

Sensitive bunch you guys have become.

- Juice


We just ask that the referees call it both ways.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

May 15 @ 12:14 PM ET
I'm curious to hear your story on being a Flyers fan with a Jays avatar.
- Juice


I'm curious why you are making conversation with someone that just called me a woman, called me a little female dog and asked if I was bleeding out of my vagina...

Pretty sure in the code and conduct that is at least a week ban.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:15 PM ET
We just ask that the referees call it both ways.
- Scooby_Doo



But if you think the Sabres fans have tried to "derail" the thread with their comments then you guys have truly lost perspective on what trolling means.

Their comments are about as gentle as any board is ever going to see...I'f read and re-read their comments and there's absolutely nothing on any of these pages that's worth even a "W" on the word "warning" let alone "attempt to derail".
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

May 15 @ 12:15 PM ET
Those things you can train. Speed/Agility/Leg Strength are all things Im sure will be addressed in the off season.

Defensive Play is harder obviously but he has quite awhile to learn. Really in Buffalo he had some breakdowns but really his defense wasn't some glaring problem. I dunno.

With Zach, he comes across as dumb and can be unmotivated..angry and still immature. That takes time and can be really difficult to grow out of. Hell we have all had to deal with it growing up.

- HotSauceBlueChs


From the small sampling size I've seen of him this is something that struck me as well - Kassian doesn't seem too intelligent and can be somewhat aloof. You can maybe attribute the second part to being on the wrong line or having an undefined roll, but the lack of smarts is somewhat worrying although he is still young.

If he's to "bang bodies" as a few have been saying here, I haven't actually seen that angry streak in him (see Zack Rinaldo for a rookie with an angry streak). We talk a lot about the veteran leadership on this team but there seems to be something in the air that makes people forget to hit as the season moves along. Weiss, Bitz, Kassian, Booth, Hansen, even Edler in the second half of the season all started out looking like iron before falling into the Mason Raymond camp of skating in circles with little production.
broadstreet11
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.24.2010

May 15 @ 12:17 PM ET
I'm curious to hear your story on being a Flyers fan with a Jays avatar.
- Juice

Flyers fan from southern Ontario who is also a Jays fan...
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 15 @ 12:17 PM ET
I like AV less every year.
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 15 @ 12:18 PM ET
Flyers fan from southern Ontario who is also a Jays fan...
- broadstreet11


Thats quite the life story you got there. I'm a Leaf fan who also happens to be very attractive.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:18 PM ET
I'm curious why you are making conversation with someone that just called me a woman, called me a little female dog and asked if I was bleeding out of my vagina...

Pretty sure in the code and conduct that is at least a week ban.

- Scooby_Doo


Honestly...because HB has gotten too uptight and too strict with what posts need to be banned and it's completely ruining the site.

Considering you were complaining that the Sabres fans were trying to derail the thread with their posts (which they absolutely were not) then I understand why he'd ask that...should he have worded it differently...absolutely, and I will fix that. But if that's what's considered "derailing a thread" around here then that's a bloody shame that it's turned into this.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:19 PM ET
Flyers fan from southern Ontario who is also a Jays fan...
- broadstreet11

Gotcha! Makes sense.

Can't say I support the "Flyers fan" part but to each their own.
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 15 @ 12:20 PM ET
Honestly...because HB has gotten to uptight and too strict with what posts need to be banned.

Considering you were complaining that the Sabres fans were trying to derail the thread with their posts (which they absolutely were not) then I understand why he'd ask that...should he have worded it differently...absolutely, and I will fix that. But if that's what's considered "derailing a thread" around here then that's a bloody shame that it's turned into this.

- Juice


This is a hockey website, people need to stop blubbering about name calling.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:22 PM ET
This is a hockey website, people need to stop blubbering about name calling.
- wolfos412


To an extent yes.

There's never a real need for name calling...but sometimes if it's used to get a point across based on the conversation then I can let it go...I'll edit the post, but nothing more needs to happen.

Definitely no need for 1 week bans. Those are for the racist, homophobic comments.
battelmt
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Between the Pipes..., NY
Joined: 05.29.2007

May 15 @ 12:25 PM ET
few thoughts...

kassian is the next steve "big bear" bernier.

a guy with all the physical gifts to dominate when they were bigger and stronger than everyone and it was easy. but then when facing the challenge of playing with men- requiring full effort and commitment- they disappear.

its funny how the canucks fans wanted nothing less than tyler myers before the trade, voiced their outrage all over these boards when the trade went down, and now coho is a bum and kassian is at least a consistent 30 goal scorer.
Lohaus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 10.04.2006

May 15 @ 12:27 PM ET
To an extent yes.

There's never a real need for name calling...but sometimes if it's used to get a point across based on the conversation then I can let it go...I'll edit the post, but nothing more needs to happen.

Definitely no need for 1 week bans. Those are for the racist, homophobic comments.

- Juice

what I dont get is that this is a forum, not a real conversation, and so you can easily just choose not to respond. Which is in general what I do unless someone posts such a ridiculous rumour that it forces me, and my good judgement, to comment. Gets my post removed (wink wink). Unless someone says something, like what you mentioned, I don't know why people dont let it slide. There are a couple fanbases here though that I have to say get uptight defensive on the smallest things. I guess the "!" button is used more often there because of the pure outrage!
Boinker
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.24.2010

May 15 @ 12:31 PM ET
few thoughts...

kassian is the next steve "big bear" bernier.

a guy with all the physical gifts to dominate when they were bigger and stronger than everyone and it was easy. but then when facing the challenge of playing with men- requiring full effort and commitment- they disappear.

its funny how the canucks fans wanted nothing less than tyler myers before the trade, voiced their outrage all over these boards when the trade went down, and now coho is a bum and kassian is at least a consistent 30 goal scorer.

- battelmt


Big differences between Bernier and Kassian. Kasisan is bigger, stronger, better skater and better hands. Kassians hands are way above Berniers. His tool set is almost better in every category.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 15 @ 12:31 PM ET
few thoughts...

kassian is the next steve "big bear" bernier.

a guy with all the physical gifts to dominate when they were bigger and stronger than everyone and it was easy. but then when facing the challenge of playing with men- requiring full effort and commitment- they disappear.

its funny how the canucks fans wanted nothing less than tyler myers before the trade, voiced their outrage all over these boards when the trade went down, and now coho is a bum and kassian is at least a consistent 30 goal scorer.

- battelmt

Not true...Cody is a good kid, with poor advice, he'll have a very good career but he'll never be Stamkos. Like I said earlier, if Kass is a big bodied 25 goal scorer. That's perfectly ok with me.
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
To an extent yes.

There's never a real need for name calling...but sometimes if it's used to get a point across based on the conversation then I can let it go...I'll edit the post, but nothing more needs to happen.

Definitely no need for 1 week bans. Those are for the racist, homophobic comments.

- Juice


It's all situational I suppose, if someone is being verbally attacked for posting an opinion then ya that's rediculous. If someone is stating the obvious like telling someone they're female doggin' it then why not.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

May 15 @ 12:34 PM ET
few thoughts...

kassian is the next steve "big bear" bernier.

a guy with all the physical gifts to dominate when they were bigger and stronger than everyone and it was easy. but then when facing the challenge of playing with men- requiring full effort and commitment- they disappear.

its funny how the canucks fans wanted nothing less than tyler myers before the trade, voiced their outrage all over these boards when the trade went down, and now coho is a bum and kassian is at least a consistent 30 goal scorer.

- battelmt


You'll also find many Canuck fans who wish we still had Hodgson and aren't too high on Kassian. Me, I think BUF got the better part of the deal no question. But with Kassian there is still a wait and see quality to judging his worth, more so than Hodgson who is closer to a finished product. I think Hodgson will be a great C for you for years to come, especially now that he appears to have shaken off his early injury concerns.
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 15 @ 12:35 PM ET
what I dont get is that this is a forum, not a real conversation, and so you can easily just choose not to respond. Which is in general what I do unless someone posts such a ridiculous rumour that it forces me, and my good judgement, to comment. Gets my post removed (wink wink). Unless someone says something, like what you mentioned, I don't know why people dont let it slide. There are a couple fanbases here though that I have to say get uptight defensive on the smallest things. I guess the "!" button is used more often there because of the pure outrage!
- Lohaus


They should get rid of that thing.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:37 PM ET
what I dont get is that this is a forum, not a real conversation, and so you can easily just choose not to respond. Which is in general what I do unless someone posts such a ridiculous rumour that it forces me, and my good judgement, to comment. Gets my post removed (wink wink). Unless someone says something, like what you mentioned, I don't know why people dont let it slide. There are a couple fanbases here though that I have to say get uptight defensive on the smallest things. I guess the "!" button is used more often there because of the pure outrage!
- Lohaus

Hey I saved your butt with that one. If the wrong ref saw it you were going to be on (what they like to call) a "time out" for a few days at least.

Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:39 PM ET
It's all situational I suppose, if someone is being verbally attacked for posting an opinion then ya that's rediculous. If someone is stating the obvious like telling someone they're female doggin' it then why not.
- wolfos412

Agreed.

But the attitude lately has been "you said something negative about my team...you're a troll and should be banned"

And the funny thing, if this site was run exactly how it's "supposed to be" half the people crying about being trolled wouldn't even be able to post because the rules is supposed to be "3 bans and you're gone with an IP ban" but luckily for those users; no refs enforce it.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:40 PM ET
They should get rid of that thing.
- wolfos412

Nah, the "!" is helpful when it's used properly.

But 90% of the posts that get reported are either a mistake because the "!" button is so close to the other main buttons or it's not report worth and is just someone being too sensitive.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 15 @ 12:45 PM ET
Nah, the "!" is helpful when it's used properly.

But 90% of the posts that get reported are either a mistake because the "!" button is so close to the other main buttons or it's not report worth and is just someone being too sensitive.

- Juice




Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

May 15 @ 12:49 PM ET



- buffalofan19






Bastard!!!
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 15 @ 12:51 PM ET
You now another big talented kid that I'm excited about is Joseph Labate, he's in that Wisconsin program. Turning out some really good players! Let him play there for three years and hopefully he becomes a good player for us.
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