Agreed, I'm not sure Howson can land Courture, which he really needs in this type of trade.

Quick question about the Flyers, personally I feel if the Flyers sign Carle, they have no interest in Suter. I think both guys are similiar and the cost to get Suter who is better, but not that much better then Carle to justify his contract.

Anyway, let's say Weber stays in Nashville. Who do you think Homer would call to trade a forward to get a young potential possibly under the radar d-man?

My list, no particular order:

-Subban
-Gragnani
-Ellerby
-Bogosian
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Trying to think of potential other d-men, I think in the end the Flyers are going to have to trade for a d-man, I don't think it will be Weber because the Preds will give him everything short of minority ownership to keep him.
- ravishingone

subban and bogo are the types we're looking for

Gimme Bogosian, i think Subban is a me first player, lots of Voracek-like skating with the puck without all the advancing it into the offensive zone.

Gimme Bogosian, i think Subban is a me first player, lots of Voracek-like skating with the puck without all the advancing it into the offensive zone.
- Ferrarimn7

the rangers are lucky to be playing tonight. and that's a fact. the caps style of play became similar to the rangers, bruins, and devils, and they were pretty successful.
- hammarby31

the caps were 6 seconds away from winning in 6 games. Man as much as it kills me how the Flyers lost this year, that would pain me far greater

Absolutely. Seabrook's a damned good defenseman.
- Jsaquella

Yes he is. So why has he been perceived to be available?

the caps were 6 seconds away from winning in 6 games. Man as much as it kills me how the Flyers lost this year, that would pain me far greater
- nastyflyergirl

I work with a caps fan.. he is one of the docs here, and he is bummed. He keeps saying.. "only 6 seconds away" (while shaking he head) every time he passes my office.

Took them 7 games to beat the 8th seed, and 7 games to beat the 7th seed. I'm not very impressed with the Rangers.
- RooNosHockey

they're a good team and play the same way consistently. i was simply saying it took a silly 4 minute minor off a faceoff and a most fortunate deflection that gave them a chance to win game 6. 99 times out of a 100 that game is over, even with the pp situation, with 6 (frank)ing seconds left. all holtby had to do was hold his ground. instead he tried to cover it and it allowed richards to bang it in.

I work with a caps fan.. he is one of the docs here, and he is bummed. He keeps saying.. "only 6 seconds away" (while shaking he head) every time he passes my office.
- jak521

Wellllllllllllll ...

There's no telling how Game 6 might have gone had the Caps held on in Game 5.

But, yeah...

Yes he is. So why has he been perceived to be available?
- Just5

Why has Weber?

There's been reports that Chicago is looking to shake things up, not specifically that Seabrook is available. I simply said to call Chicago and see what it'd take to pry him or Keith out.

Couturier's hockey sense and instincts are stellar for a teenager. He also has a strong desire that is evident in his play. The Flyers got an absolute steal.
- Jsaquella

They did a really decent job with him this past year, hopefully his role expands a bit to contribute offensively.

It's going to be tough watching Bryz struggle, and Bob succeed elsewhere next season.
- pharcyde

Given Bryzgalov's track record and already demonstrated ability to bounce back from "bad' years and Bobrovsky's inability to hold a starting job for a full season as yet, I'd take my chances.

It's also very possible that they can't move Bobrovsky. If The Canucks are shopping Luongo and the Bruins move Thomas, then Bobrovsky might not have much of a market, not to mention the possibility of other teams, like Los Angeles, shopping their young back-ups.

They did a really decent job with him this past year, hopefully his role expands a bit to contribute offensively.
- ob18

I think we see him in the top 9 and on the PP a lot more this year. I think Schenn plays wing, perhaps even on a line with Giroux and Couturier could end up in a top six role, depending on how things shake out.

In order to give an idea of the Flyers Cap situation, I did a little number crunching. Mainly to show the difference between the Regular Season and the off season. First will be a sample roster for the Season. I used the rumored 69M Cap figure. With Pronger on LTIR. And estimated deals for Voracek and Carle. Notice that the Flyers have over 3M of available Cap space with the 22 man roster. This does not include the LTIR allowance that the Flyers could use if needed. Which could give them an additional 4,921,429 of Cap space to use. And once a player such as Schenn misses a game, or doesn't play 25 minutes of icetime, his Cap hit would drop to 1.75. Giving them even more space. So the FLyers for the Season have plenty of Cap space to work with. Here's the roster.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Matt Carle ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,696,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,303,056


Now comes the off season. Here are the rules for who has to be accounted for in the Off Season.

Teams can exceed the salary cap's upper limit by 10 percent during the off-season. The following count toward the team's cap payroll:

All players on one-way contracts, regardless of where (or if) they were playing the previous year.
All players on two-way contracts, in proportion to the number of days spent on an NHL roster the previous season.
All restricted free agents who have been extended a qualifying offer (while the offer is valid), with one-way qualifying offers counting in full and two-way qualifying offers counting as described in No. 2.
All restricted free agents signed to an offer sheet (such players count against the team extending the offer sheet while it is still valid).
All buyouts.


So using those rules and adding up the numbers. The Flyers must as of right now carry a total 67,821,039 for the Off Season. With the 10% allowance, if the Cap is 69M. That would be a total of 75.9M maximum each team could carry.

So 75,900,000 - 67,821,039 = 8,078,961 which is the total of Off Season Cap space the Flyers have to work with. Now sign Carle to a deal just as a round number, at 5M. That leaves the Flyers with about 3M to work with after that.

Given Bryzgalov's track record and already demonstrated ability to bounce back from "bad' years and Bobrovsky's inability to hold a starting job for a full season as yet, I'd take my chances.

It's also very possible that they can't move Bobrovsky. If The Canucks are shopping Luongo and the Bruins move Thomas, then Bobrovsky might not have much of a market, not to mention the possibility of other teams, like Los Angeles, shopping their young back-ups.
- Jsaquella

I just looked around the NHL and I think the best spot for Bob is being traded to Calgary. They have Kipper but hes getting up in age and Bob could sit behind him and get some games so that Kipper gets more games off during the year. They haven't had a decent backup in awhile.

Doubt it will happen but just though this would be a nice fit.

In order to give an idea of the Flyers Cap situation, I did a little number crunching. Mainly to show the difference between the Regular Season and the off season. First will be a sample roster for the Season. I used the rumored 69M Cap figure. With Pronger on LTIR. And estimated deals for Voracek and Carle. Notice that the Flyers have over 3M of available Cap space with the 22 man roster. This does not include the LTIR allowance that the Flyers could use if needed. Which could give them an additional 4,921,429 of Cap space to use. And once a player such as Schenn misses a game, or doesn't play 25 minutes of icetime, his Cap hit would drop to 1.75. Giving them even more space. So the FLyers for the Season have plenty of Cap space to work with. Here's the roster.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Matt Carle ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,696,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,303,056


Now comes the off season. Here are the rules for who has to be accounted for in the Off Season.

Teams can exceed the salary cap's upper limit by 10 percent during the off-season. The following count toward the team's cap payroll:

All players on one-way contracts, regardless of where (or if) they were playing the previous year.
All players on two-way contracts, in proportion to the number of days spent on an NHL roster the previous season.
All restricted free agents who have been extended a qualifying offer (while the offer is valid), with one-way qualifying offers counting in full and two-way qualifying offers counting as described in No. 2.
All restricted free agents signed to an offer sheet (such players count against the team extending the offer sheet while it is still valid).
All buyouts.


So using those rules and adding up the numbers. The Flyers must as of right now carry a total 67,821,039 for the Off Season. With the 10% allowance, if the Cap is 69M. That would be a total of 75.9M maximum each team could carry.

So 75,900,000 - 67,821,039 = 8,078,961 which is the total of Off Season Cap space the Flyers have to work with. Now sign Carle to a deal just as a round number, at 5M. That leaves the Flyers with about 3M to work with after that.
- MJL

It would be fantastic if Holmgren could find a way to dump a dead contract or two at the draft. Even trading Walker would help.

I just looked around the NHL and I think the best spot for Bob is being traded to Calgary. They have Kipper but hes getting up in age and Bob could sit behind him and get some games so that Kipper gets more games off during the year. They haven't had a decent backup in awhile.

Doubt it will happen but just though this would be a nice fit.
- stveshdy

The Flames have Henrik Karlsson and Leland Irving on the team or in their system, not sure they need Bob.

The Flames have Henrik Karlsson and Leland Irving on the team or in their system, not sure they need Bob.
- Jsaquella

Are those players ready? I havent seen much of them only bc it seems like Calgary only plays Kipper like 70+ games a year.

Karlsson is 28 I believe. He didnt get many games this year.

The Flames have Henrik Karlsson and Leland Irving on the team or in their system, not sure they need Bob.
- Jsaquella

Bob could be a good trade chip depending on the teams in need and the asking prices of other goalies that they'd likely check out before BOB.

Are those players ready? I havent seen much of them only bc it seems like Calgary only plays Kipper like 70+ games a year.
- stveshdy

Karlsson's the backup, and doesn't play a ton. But he's been decent. Irving is a kid that the Flames are really high on, and Kipper's got another year or so left in him

Bob ... BOB.
- ob18

*head explodes*

Karlsson's the backup, and doesn't play a ton. But he's been decent. Irving is a kid that the Flames are really high on, and Kipper's got another year or so left in him
- Jsaquella

Yeah. I just dont see Karlsson being anything I guess. 28 year old who see's very limited games. If he was that good you think he would play alittle more to give Kipper some games off.

Dont know much about Irving to be honest.

It would be fantastic if Holmgren could find a way to dump a dead contract or two at the draft. Even trading Walker would help.
- Jsaquella

And that figure I gave could be even higher. If some of their RFA's that were on EL deals, which are 2 way, are given Q offers for one way deals. Such as Bourdon.

Bob could be a good trade chip depending on the teams in need and the asking prices of other goalies that they'd likely check out before BOB.
- ob18

A lot will depend on the market. If Tim Thomas and Roberto Luongo are on the block, that will likely eliminate teams interested in Bob. Add to that the UFA market, where several solid back-ups are scheduled to be UFA's and that could further limit the market.

Finally, if LA or Ottawa decides to shop young goalies like Bernier or Lehner, who knows if a deal for Bobrovsky can be found at all?

Joe, a player is signing a contract to play Hockey for the team, that's it. He's not signing a contract to play well for the team. Or to provide a set of number of goals or assists, etc. As long as the player shows up for practice and games, and follows the team rules, then he's fullfilling his contract.
- MJL

What if a player is late for team meetings, and refuses to comply with requests from Management? Would that be considered not fulfilling his contract?

It would be fantastic if Holmgren could find a way to dump a dead contract or two at the draft. Even trading Walker would help.
- Jsaquella

Yep, it would give the Flyers an additional 1.7M of Off Season Cap space to work with.