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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 14 @ 1:29 PM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/...=t.co&utm_medium=referral

i MUST SAY THAT i AM SHOCKED. Not one space cadet reference.

- MBFlyerfan


this writing doesn't match timmy's style. at all. that said, i agree with much of what was written. in the end, it doesn't matter. the flyers didn't win the cup. the entire universe knows why. right? RIIIIGHT?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 14 @ 1:29 PM ET
I beg to differ, if that's the case, then what is the incentive for a player to play well?
Also you strengthen my point in that the player if he is just given a contract to do that, and now even due to injury isn't doing that, then the team should be able to opt out of it.

- JoeRussomanno



The incentive to play well is that if he does, his next contract will earn him more money. Or that if he doesn't play well, he'll be demoted and ride a bus, and when his contract is up, no one will want him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 14 @ 1:30 PM ET
Ok and therefore the team shouldn't have to be drowned with the player's caphit if such an occurrence happens, for years on end.
- JoeRussomanno



I don't disagree with that. There are a lot of rules of the CBA that I don't like.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:32 PM ET
The incentive to play well is that if he does, his next contract will earn him more money. Or that if he doesn't play well, he'll be demoted and ride a bus, and when his contract is up, no one will want him.
- MJL

okay so instead of doing that, why don't we just release him and go somewhere he can possibly be successful?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 1:32 PM ET
their contracts shouldn't be guaranteed 100% for the simple fact there isn't a guarantee they will deliver. Think about it, what is a contract? Two sides agree to something, Side A agrees to deliver services and Side B agrees to compensate for those services. If side A, for whatever reason cannot and does not deliver, should Side B left holding the bag? I believe a percentage as in the case of the NFL, should be guaranteed because there is risk involved by both sides, however it is unfair for the contract to be totally up to the teams to deliver on when there is nothing being delivered.

Look I understand about the jeopardy to a player's livelihood and his dependants, however if he can't play, he can't play and therefore there is and should be other things in place, not the team being on the hook for his contract for 100% of the duration.

- JoeRussomanno


The contract is to play hockey, not necessarily to play it great.

Should a failed draft choice have to pay back the money he recieved in his EL deal because he didn't live up to expectations?
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

May 14 @ 1:33 PM ET
first! great write up, Bill. Coots will be a beast for years to come, what a steal at number 8 and even more so for having traded carter for him, voracek and cousins. holmer is a genius
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 14 @ 1:33 PM ET
caps got dragged up and down the ice by boston AND the rangers. only reason they made it as far as they did is because they blocked a ton of shots and holtby played well. not exactly a sustainable brand of winning hockey.
- OrangeBlack27


the rangers are lucky to be playing tonight. and that's a fact. the caps style of play became similar to the rangers, bruins, and devils, and they were pretty successful.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 1:33 PM ET
okay so instead of doing that, why don't we just release him and go somewhere he can possibly be successful?
- JoeRussomanno


They can buy out his contract if so inclined.

Look, Joe, the owners demanded the hard salary cap. They agreed to allow the players to have guaranteed contracts. There's give and take from it. The Plyers were not happy with a hard cap, but they had to accept it to move forward and end the lockout.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:39 PM ET
this writing doesn't match timmy's style. at all. that said, i agree with much of what was written. in the end, it doesn't matter. the flyers didn't win the cup. the entire universe knows why. right? RIIIIGHT?
- hammarby31

the comment section under that should serve as a big explanation as to why Tim doesn't write like that too often. I guess you have to cater to your customers. It's a shame that there are so many of them that feel that way.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 14 @ 1:39 PM ET
the rangers are lucky to be playing tonight. and that's a fact. the caps style of play became similar to the rangers, bruins, and devils, and they were pretty successful.
- hammarby31


rangers (when tied or behind), bruins and devils all have a relentless forecheck.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:42 PM ET
They can buy out his contract if so inclined.

Look, Joe, the owners demanded the hard salary cap. They agreed to allow the players to have guaranteed contracts. There's give and take from it. The Plyers were not happy with a hard cap, but they had to accept it to move forward and end the lockout.

- Jsaquella

yea they have to buy it out and still take a hit on the cap.

Okay I get what you're saying, at least I think, that this is the mess created by the owner's desire to have the hardcap. Hopefully they reconsider it at the next CBA, I'd much rather prefer a luxury tax system. If I'm right wouldn't that give teams some leeway that can't spend or have difficulty spending up to the cap floor, because it would eliminate a cap floor?
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

May 14 @ 1:42 PM ET
the rangers are lucky to be playing tonight. and that's a fact. the caps style of play became similar to the rangers, bruins, and devils, and they were pretty successful.
- hammarby31


Took them 7 games to beat the 8th seed, and 7 games to beat the 7th seed. I'm not very impressed with the Rangers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 14 @ 1:43 PM ET
okay so instead of doing that, why don't we just release him and go somewhere he can possibly be successful?
- JoeRussomanno



Because there is a contract in place. I understand what your saying Joe.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:43 PM ET
The contract is to play hockey, not necessarily to play it great.

Should a failed draft choice have to pay back the money he recieved in his EL deal because he didn't live up to expectations?

- Jsaquella

No, I'm never saying a player should have to pay the money back either, that's taking what I'm saying a whole 180, degrees.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
the rangers are lucky to be playing tonight. and that's a fact. the caps style of play became similar to the rangers, bruins, and devils, and they were pretty successful.
- hammarby31

The Rangers are lucky, without the Ward penalty in game 6 they are playing golf right now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
Took them 7 games to beat the 8th seed, and 7 games to beat the 7th seed. I'm not very impressed with the Rangers.
- RooNosHockey



The Bruins had to win 3 game 7's on the way to the Cup last year. It is the playoffs. Every team in it is capable of beating anyone.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:47 PM ET
The Bruins had to win 3 game 7's on the way to the Cup last year. It is the playoffs. Every team in it is capable of beating anyone.
- MJL

I love game 7's
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
The Rangers are lucky, without the Ward penalty in game 6 they are playing golf right now.
- JoeRussomanno


Thats a game the Caps would love to have back but what is done is done.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 14 @ 1:50 PM ET
The Rangers are lucky, without the Ward penalty in game 6 they are playing golf right now.
- JoeRussomanno


I hear you and trust me, I hate the Rangers and was rooting hard for the Caps. But the Rangers carried the play throughout that series. The deserving team won, IMO.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 1:52 PM ET
I actually agree with Tim P it is time to move Bob and I believe Clemmensen would be a great back-up to Bryz. I'm starting to wonder if a forward is moved, if Voracek is the likely candidate. Personally, I don't believe JVR is injury prone, yes, he was injured, but received a concussion from a cheap shot and a broken foot from blocking a slap shot.

I believe Voracek could max out to a 20 goal scorer with good assist totals. I still believe JVR will be a constant 30 goal scorer in this league without as good assist totals as Voracek.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:52 PM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/...=t.co&utm_medium=referral

i MUST SAY THAT i AM SHOCKED. Not one space cadet reference.

- MBFlyerfan

Considering all the goalies that have struggled here, is another reason I'm not ready to write of Bryzgalov.

I'f I'm to critique him then I'll say this, yes he does look to be out of focus at times, i.e lackadaisical, etc. two goals that come to mind are the Zajac goal in game 1 against the devils and that one goal callahan scored, believe it was second game against NY. Also his puckhandling is atrocious, but considering the results Reese had working with Bobrovsky from last year to this year, I think he'll get better.

Otherwise his year wasn't the greatest, this year, but it could have been a lot worse, I'd give him a B- on the season.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 14 @ 1:53 PM ET
I hear you and trust me, I hate the Rangers and was rooting hard for the Caps. But the Rangers carried the play throughout that series. The deserving team won, IMO.
- OrangeBlack27

I felt it was back and forth and I watched everygame except for game 5.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
I felt it was back and forth and I watched everygame except for game 5.
- JoeRussomanno


they were horribly outplayed by boston. not quite as bad against the rangers, but still outplayed for the most part. rangers attempted 40 more shots on goal throughout the series, which is significant over 7 games.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
The Bruins had to win 3 game 7's on the way to the Cup last year. It is the playoffs. Every team in it is capable of beating anyone.
- MJL

Do you think the Blue Jackets could beat Marlies?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 2:08 PM ET
Do you think the Blue Jackets could beat Marlies?
- jak521


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