they have insurance and other safety nets in case that happens or at least they should. That happens to people everyday. iirc the NFL (not sure about other leagues) has a pension system in place for such a happening. If you(not saying you personally but people in general) got messed up and couldn't go back to your job you'd either be collecting your employer's pension or social security and or both, or finding another career field.
- JoeRussomanno

The NHL insures contracts. In the case of Pronger, the Flyers will not be paying a ton of money to Pronger, the insurance will.

If I got hurt at work, like most players who get injured do, I'd collect from my employer's disability insurance provider.

The NHL insures contracts. In the case of Pronger, the Flyers will not be paying a ton of money to Pronger, the insurance will.

If I got hurt at work, like most players who get injured do, I'd collect from my employer's disability insurance provider.
- Jsaquella

Yes but if you were out indefinitely, that wouldn't be up to your employer, that disability is only a year or two then you are on your own. Nobody's salary is 100% guaranteed. Unless you have some amazing insurance, that I never heard about. Otherwise you have to go to court and get lucky, but typically people who are disabled are screwed depending on the nature of their employment.

Because it's collectively bargained.
- Jsaquella

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't believe any collective bargaining agreement supercedes US law, which age discrimination is.

If that were the case, then why don't we all collective bargain away our legal responsibility to pay US Federal Taxes.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't believe any collective bargaining agreement supercedes US law, which age discrimination is.

If that were the case, then why don't we all collective bargain away our legal responsibility to pay US Federal Taxes.
- dcflyerfan71

You can collectively bargain away certain legal rights, though. Hell, you can do so without collective bargaining, just by signing a contract.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't believe any collective bargaining agreement supercedes US law, which age discrimination is.

If that were the case, then why don't we all collective bargain away our legal responsibility to pay US Federal Taxes.
- dcflyerfan71

Thing is if the NHL is in violation, the NHLPA has to take it to an appeals court by the time that they get it overturned it could be two CBA's later also it's real hard to get a decision but the NHLPA definitely has more money and power than any union I was ever in. Who knows, in the grand scheme of things they sat down at the bargaining table and made a deal so if they agreed to that then there is something most likely down the line that the owners conceeded like guaranteeing their money 100%, who knows.

Two things are certain in life Death and taxes, so....

Yes but if you were out indefinitely, that wouldn't be up to your employer, that disability is only a year or two then you are on your own. Nobody's salary is 100% guaranteed. Unless you have some amazing insurance, that I never heard about. Otherwise you have to go to court and get lucky, but typically people who are disabled are screwed depending on the nature of their employment.
- JoeRussomanno

Big difference between an hourly employee and a guy with a contract. And usually, if a situation occurs where a person can't complete a contract, there's a policy in place for termination or buy out.

Look at Corporate CEO's. Most of those who don't finish their deals get sweet golden parachutes that provide them something close to what they would make had they stayed.

Dale Hunter will not return to coach the Washington Capitals in 2012-13. Hunter's first stint in the NHL was a mixed bag. He wasn't able to turn the Capitals around after replacing Bruce Boudreau as the team's head coach. Washington had a disappointing 30-23-7 record under Hunter and the team barely made the playoffs. However, Hunter got some measure of redemption after the Capitals upset the Boston Bruins in seven games and lasted seven games against the New York Rangers in the second round. During his tenure, Hunter showed a willingness to bench superstar Alex Ovechkin, even in key situations. It will be interesting to see how the next coach handles Ovechkin.
Source: Tarik El-Bashir on Twitter

Dale Hunter will not return to coach the Washington Capitals in 2012-13. Hunter's first stint in the NHL was a mixed bag. He wasn't able to turn the Capitals around after replacing Bruce Boudreau as the team's head coach. Washington had a disappointing 30-23-7 record under Hunter and the team barely made the playoffs. However, Hunter got some measure of redemption after the Capitals upset the Boston Bruins in seven games and lasted seven games against the New York Rangers in the second round. During his tenure, Hunter showed a willingness to bench superstar Alex Ovechkin, even in key situations. It will be interesting to see how the next coach handles Ovechkin.
Source: Tarik El-Bashir on Twitter
- stveshdy

Is that Hunter not wanting back or not being hired?

Is that Hunter not wanting back or not being hired?
- eayost

I think the former...

Big difference between an hourly employee and a guy with a contract. And usually, if a situation occurs where a person can't complete a contract, there's a policy in place for termination or buy out.

Look at Corporate CEO's. Most of those who don't finish their deals get sweet golden parachutes that provide them something close to what they would make had they stayed.
- Jsaquella

Yea there is a big difference between an hourly employee and pro athlete the pro-athlete typically makes more money in one year than most hourly employees make in their lifetime. Also CEO's generally don't have to worry about losing their job to injury. They also don't collectively bargain their contracts, as far as I'm aware.

All I'm saying is the NHLPA should have a safety net set up for their members if they get hurt and cannot go back to work, it's no different than any other occupation that collectively bargains.

I think the former...
- jak521

Gotta be right? You knock out the defending champion and push the number 1 seed to 7 games with a rookie goalie? Spectacular job imo.

Dale Hunter will not return to coach the Washington Capitals in 2012-13. Hunter's first stint in the NHL was a mixed bag. He wasn't able to turn the Capitals around after replacing Bruce Boudreau as the team's head coach. Washington had a disappointing 30-23-7 record under Hunter and the team barely made the playoffs. However, Hunter got some measure of redemption after the Capitals upset the Boston Bruins in seven games and lasted seven games against the New York Rangers in the second round. During his tenure, Hunter showed a willingness to bench superstar Alex Ovechkin, even in key situations. It will be interesting to see how the next coach handles Ovechkin.
Source: Tarik El-Bashir on Twitter
- stveshdy

wow that's not a bright idea imo for the caps to do. Hunter (I don't like the guy and I'm arguing for him here) took over a team that was already on a downward spiral and was able to get them back into contention, with a rookie goaltender, mind you. I can't see how they don't bring him back for one more year.

wow that's not a bright idea imo for the caps to do. Hunter (I don't like the guy and I'm arguing for him here) took over a team that was already on a downward spiral and was able to get them back into contention, with a rookie goaltender, mind you. I can't see how they don't bring him back for one more year.
- JoeRussomanno

it was his decision not to return.

it was his decision not to return.
- wilsonecho91

wow, hated the guy as a player but maybe Lavy could use his two sense of defensive adjustments, just a thought...

wow, hated the guy as a player but maybe Lavy could use his two sense of defensive adjustments, just a thought...
- JoeRussomanno

sweet. giroux will be used 12 minutes a night in the playoffs.

sweet. giroux will be used 12 minutes a night in the playoffs.
- OrangeBlack27

whatever gets us this


besides Giroux is a two way player, it be more like Briere that would be playing 12 minutes a night and that might not be a bad thing considering the results he got by doing it with Ovechkin.

Yea there is a big difference between an hourly employee and pro athlete the pro-athlete typically makes more money in one year than most hourly employees make in their lifetime. Also CEO's generally don't have to worry about losing their job to injury. They also don't collectively bargain their contracts, as far as I'm aware.

All I'm saying is the NHLPA should have a safety net set up for their members if they get hurt and cannot go back to work, it's no different than any other occupation that collectively bargains.
- JoeRussomanno

They do have a safety net, but why shouldn't their contracts be guaranteed? Why should an owner be able to negotiate a deal in good faith and then dump a guy without paying him?

Yep. All those extra numbers in the off-season hurt. Obviously Pronger and Walker and Bartulis. But you can't forget guys like Bourdon and others have a portion of their cap-hits count over the summer (based on however many days they spent on the NHL roster this year, no?).
- OrangeBlack27

Absolutely. And once the make Q offers to RFA's such as Voracek. That offer goes on the Cap if they spent time on the NHL roster. For Voracek that's 2.25M.

whatever gets us this


besides Giroux is a two way player, it be more like Briere that would be playing 12 minutes a night and that might not be a bad thing considering the results he got by doing it with Ovechkin.
- JoeRussomanno

caps got dragged up and down the ice by boston AND the rangers. only reason they made it as far as they did is because they blocked a ton of shots and holtby played well. not exactly a sustainable brand of winning hockey.

Yea there is a big difference between an hourly employee and pro athlete the pro-athlete typically makes more money in one year than most hourly employees make in their lifetime. Also CEO's generally don't have to worry about losing their job to injury. They also don't collectively bargain their contracts, as far as I'm aware.

All I'm saying is the NHLPA should have a safety net set up for their members if they get hurt and cannot go back to work, it's no different than any other occupation that collectively bargains.
- JoeRussomanno

There are safety nets set up. They have programs set up in the CBA. For debilitating injuries. However, it's not a lot of money compared to what these players make. And just like we are, the players are capable of getting their own insurance.

They do have a safety net, but why shouldn't their contracts be guaranteed? Why should an owner be able to negotiate a deal in good faith and then dump a guy without paying him?
- Jsaquella

their contracts shouldn't be guaranteed 100% for the simple fact there isn't a guarantee they will deliver. Think about it, what is a contract? Two sides agree to something, Side A agrees to deliver services and Side B agrees to compensate for those services. If side A, for whatever reason cannot and does not deliver, should Side B left holding the bag? I believe a percentage as in the case of the NFL, should be guaranteed because there is risk involved by both sides, however it is unfair for the contract to be totally up to the teams to deliver on when there is nothing being delivered.

Look I understand about the jeopardy to a player's livelihood and his dependants, however if he can't play, he can't play and therefore there is and should be other things in place, not the team being on the hook for his contract for 100% of the duration.

caps got dragged up and down the ice by boston AND the rangers. only reason they made it as far as they did is because they blocked a ton of shots and holtby played well. not exactly a sustainable brand of winning hockey.
- OrangeBlack27

The Rangers are sustaining a winning run with it. Also the caps were able to on several occasions counter-attack and take advantage of any mistakes or opportunities the Rags and pooh-bears gave them.

their contracts shouldn't be guaranteed 100% for the simple fact there isn't a guarantee they will deliver. Think about it, what is a contract? Two sides agree to something, Side A agrees to deliver services and Side B agrees to compensate for those services. If side A, for whatever reason cannot and does not deliver, should Side B left holding the bag? I believe a percentage as in the case of the NFL, should be guaranteed because there is risk involved by both sides, however it is unfair for the contract to be totally up to the teams to deliver on when there is nothing being delivered.

Look I understand about the jeopardy to a player's livelihood and his dependants, however if he can't play, he can't play and therefore there is and should be other things in place, not the team being on the hook for his contract for 100% of the duration.
- JoeRussomanno

Joe, a player is signing a contract to play Hockey for the team, that's it. He's not signing a contract to play well for the team. Or to provide a set of number of goals or assists, etc. As long as the player shows up for practice and games, and follows the team rules, then he's fullfilling his contract.

There are safety nets set up. They have programs set up in the CBA. For debilitating injuries. However, it's not a lot of money compared to what these players make. And just like we are, the players are capable of getting their own insurance.
- MJL

Ok and therefore the team shouldn't have to be drowned with the player's caphit if such an occurrence happens, for years on end.

Joe, a player is signing a contract to play Hockey for the team, that's it. He's not signing a contract to play well for the team. Or to provide a set of number of goals or assists, etc. As long as the player shows up for practice and games, and follows the team rules, then he's fullfilling his contract.
- MJL

I beg to differ, if that's the case, then what is the incentive for a player to play well?
Also you strengthen my point in that the player if he is just given a contract to do that, and now even due to injury isn't doing that, then the team should be able to opt out of it.