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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 2:12 PM ET
Do you think the Blue Jackets could beat Marlies?
- jak521


Better question for me is how does Scott Howson essentially accomplish the following:

Trades Voracek, high 1st round pick (Coots) for Jack Johnson and low 1st round pick


And still remain employed by his team? I don't have any confidence Columbus is not going to get killed when they trade Nash.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 14 @ 2:15 PM ET
the comment section under that should serve as a big explanation as to why Tim doesn't write like that too often. I guess you have to cater to your customers. It's a shame that there are so many of them that feel that way.
- JoeRussomanno


There sure are a group of very vocal numbskulls in the area.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 14 @ 2:15 PM ET
Better question for me is how does Scott Howson essentially accomplish the following:

Trades Voracek, high 1st round pick (Coots) for Jack Johnson and low 1st round pick


And still remain employed by his team? I don't have any confidence Columbus is not going to get killed when they trade Nash.

- ravishingone


it's very, very bad.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 2:21 PM ET
Better question for me is how does Scott Howson essentially accomplish the following:

Trades Voracek, high 1st round pick (Coots) for Jack Johnson and low 1st round pick


And still remain employed by his team? I don't have any confidence Columbus is not going to get killed when they trade Nash.

- ravishingone


Not good. However he took a chance on Carter that he could be that number #1 center to go with Nash. I dont think he expected that 1st round pick to play this year but the Flyers got a steal because Coots dropped in the draft and their were questions that he might not make the team out of camp. Trading Carter to get Johnson and a 1st isnt terrible imo as Cater was pretty useless in his time there (plus he didnt want to be there from the beginning). But in the long run it looks bad and they signed Wisniewski to that big deal as well I believe, outch!
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 2:21 PM ET
it's very, very bad.
- OrangeBlack27


Somehow, Columbus has to get young talent back for Nash. Unfortunately, Nash's cap hit is way too high, I'm not sure who will take on that type of money and give back something good in return.

I really like Nash, but not at $7.8 million especially when G will have to be extended in a few years.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 14 @ 2:25 PM ET
Somehow, Columbus has to get young talent back for Nash. Unfortunately, Nash's cap hit is way too high, I'm not sure who will take on that type of money and give back something good in return.

I really like Nash, but not at $7.8 million especially when G will have to be extended in a few years.

- ravishingone

In the right situation.. that could be a very good deal.. If Nash was paired with some decent players.. he would put up scary numbers, while still being a very solid three zone player who is good in the lockerroom.

With that said.. Im happy without him.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 2:28 PM ET
Somehow, Columbus has to get young talent back for Nash. Unfortunately, Nash's cap hit is way too high, I'm not sure who will take on that type of money and give back something good in return.

I really like Nash, but not at $7.8 million especially when G will have to be extended in a few years.

- ravishingone


I still think that Nash if traded will end up in SJ this summer.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 2:38 PM ET
I still think that Nash if traded will end up in SJ this summer.
- stveshdy


Agreed, I'm not sure Howson can land Courture, which he really needs in this type of trade.

Quick question about the Flyers, personally I feel if the Flyers sign Carle, they have no interest in Suter. I think both guys are similiar and the cost to get Suter who is better, but not that much better then Carle to justify his contract.

Anyway, let's say Weber stays in Nashville. Who do you think Homer would call to trade a forward to get a young potential possibly under the radar d-man?

My list, no particular order:

-Subban
-Gragnani
-Ellerby
-Bogosian

Trying to think of potential other d-men, I think in the end the Flyers are going to have to trade for a d-man, I don't think it will be Weber because the Preds will give him everything short of minority ownership to keep him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 2:41 PM ET
Agreed, I'm not sure Howson can land Courture, which he really needs in this type of trade.

Quick question about the Flyers, personally I feel if the Flyers sign Carle, they have no interest in Suter. I think both guys are similiar and the cost to get Suter who is better, but not that much better then Carle to justify his contract.

Anyway, let's say Weber stays in Nashville. Who do you think Homer would call to trade a forward to get a young potential possibly under the radar d-man?

My list, no particular order:

-Subban
-Gragnani
-Ellerby
-Bogosian

Trying to think of potential other d-men, I think in the end the Flyers are going to have to trade for a d-man, I don't think it will be Weber because the Preds will give him everything short of minority ownership to keep him.

- ravishingone


I'd be calling Phoenix. They have good solid young defensemen and 3 highly promising kids on the verge of making the NHL.

I'd also be on the phone with Chicago, just to see if Seabrook or Keith was a possibility under any circumstance. John Buccigorss has been saying he expects changes there, so no harm in asking
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 14 @ 2:42 PM ET
I'd be calling Phoenix. They have good solid young defensemen and 3 highly promising kids on the verge of making the NHL.

I'd also be on the phone with Chicago, just to see if Seabrook or Keith was a possibility under any circumstance. John Buccigorss has been saying he expects changes there, so no harm in asking

- Jsaquella

Suter will be a blackhawk
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 2:45 PM ET
I'd be calling Phoenix. They have good solid young defensemen and 3 highly promising kids on the verge of making the NHL.

I'd also be on the phone with Chicago, just to see if Seabrook or Keith was a possibility under any circumstance. John Buccigorss has been saying he expects changes there, so no harm in asking

- Jsaquella


I know the Flyers have loved Seabrook for many years, Keith contract length is a bit scary. Who is the best prospect in Phoenix, not too familiar with their assests?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 2:46 PM ET
Agreed, I'm not sure Howson can land Courture, which he really needs in this type of trade.

Quick question about the Flyers, personally I feel if the Flyers sign Carle, they have no interest in Suter. I think both guys are similiar and the cost to get Suter who is better, but not that much better then Carle to justify his contract.

Anyway, let's say Weber stays in Nashville. Who do you think Homer would call to trade a forward to get a young potential possibly under the radar d-man?

My list, no particular order:

-Subban
-Gragnani
-Ellerby
-Bogosian

Trying to think of potential other d-men, I think in the end the Flyers are going to have to trade for a d-man, I don't think it will be Weber because the Preds will give him everything short of minority ownership to keep him.

- ravishingone


I think Calgary might be a team willing to blow up some of its team.

Maybe Giordano might be available also. 4yrs at 4M still left on his contract.

He may call Chicago and Phoenix. There are players available but it depends how much money they want to take back on a player and what type of pairing player they look for.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 2:49 PM ET
I'd be calling Phoenix. They have good solid young defensemen and 3 highly promising kids on the verge of making the NHL.

I'd also be on the phone with Chicago, just to see if Seabrook or Keith was a possibility under any circumstance. John Buccigorss has been saying he expects changes there, so no harm in asking

- Jsaquella


Hjalmarsson. What if Chicago was willing to move him? Interested?

2 years at 3.5M left on his deal.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 2:49 PM ET
I think Calgary might be a team willing to blow up some of its team.

Maybe Giordano might be available also. 4yrs at 4M still left on his contract.

He may call Chicago and Phoenix. There are players available but it depends how much money they want to take back on a player and what type of pairing player they look for.

- stveshdy


Bouwmeester's contract is a killer for Calgary. I have to admit I thought he was a stud and was really hoping the Flyers could land him before the Pronger trade.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 2:51 PM ET
I know the Flyers have loved Seabrook for many years, Keith contract length is a bit scary. Who is the best prospect in Phoenix, not too familiar with their assests?
- ravishingone


They have David Rundblad, Brandon Gormley, Michael Stone, Connor Murray and Chris Summers.

Rundblad, Gormley and Murray are very highly regarded prospects. Stone and Summer are solid prospects, but a step behind.Right now, their big three are Keith Yandle, Oliver Ekman-Larsson and Rotislav Klesla
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 2:52 PM ET
Hjalmarsson. What if Chicago was willing to move him? Interested?

2 years at 3.5M left on his deal.

- stveshdy


The Flyers really need a puck mover more than a stay at home defender type.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 2:52 PM ET
Suter will be a blackhawk
- Crimsoninja


And Kane will be a Sabre or Leaf
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 2:54 PM ET
The Flyers really need a puck mover more than a stay at home defender type.
- Jsaquella


Understandable. I was thinking more of the Flyers signing Carle and adding him for third pairing rather than trading big assets and only adding one big defenseman. I'm willing to do this and wait one more season for Weber.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 2:56 PM ET
Understandable. I was thinking more of the Flyers signing Carle and adding him for third pairing rather than trading big assets and only adding one big defenseman. I'm willing to do this and wait one more season for Weber.
- stveshdy


Got to have more irons in the fire than Weber. Seabrook would be ideal, kind of a poor man;s Weber.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 14 @ 2:57 PM ET
Got to have more irons in the fire than Weber. Seabrook would be ideal, kind of a poor man;s Weber.
- Jsaquella


which is more praise for weber than a knock on seabrook.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
And Kane will be a Sabre or Leaf
- Jsaquella


I thought Kane was a badger

Seriously, I would think Seabrook would be exactly what the Flyers would be looking for in a defensemen. Can do it all with some real grit to his game. $5.8 million for 4 years isn't bad for a top pairing d-man. He is one of the few guys I would ship JVR to get.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
which is more praise for weber than a knock on seabrook.
- OrangeBlack27


Absolutely. Seabrook's a damned good defenseman.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 3:00 PM ET
Got to have more irons in the fire than Weber. Seabrook would be ideal, kind of a poor man;s Weber.
- Jsaquella


I agree. Need to have another plan if you cant get Seabrook either though. I'm just thinking Chicago would be more willing to move him before the big two.
pharcyde
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.18.2011

May 14 @ 3:07 PM ET
It's going to be tough watching Bryz struggle, and Bob succeed elsewhere next season.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 14 @ 3:11 PM ET
It's going to be tough watching Bryz struggle, and Bob succeed elsewhere next season.
- pharcyde


Why you say that?
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