i definitely hear your point and i agree with it but if we ALL agree that milbury was the REASON why the team was set back so far, for so many years IE the actual team and the prospect pool, than its only fair to expect the replenishing of the team and the prospect pool to take a pretty considerable about of time....i cant blame guys liek CDH for not being super human and just jumping the ranks and being a regular NHLer. not everyone is travis hamonic.
- LetsGoIsles

Or MDZ for that matter

Just think the team will get actual press coverage in Brooklyn. The Daily News will write more than two words about them. Not that it's the fault of the press. When the owner does not care why should the press?
- ses111

What makes you think a losing team in Brooklyn will get any more press than a losing team in Nassau? One thing and one thing only will get this team more attention: Winning.

eh since 2007 rangers have had 14 picks to the islanders 24 picks (through first 100 picks).

Rangers players to have played for the rangers (might have missed 1 or 2) since 07 draft:

1) MDZ
2) Derek Stepan
3) Kris Kreider


Islanders players to have for the isles since 07:

1) Mark Katic
2) Josh Bailey
3) Aaron Ness
4) Travis Hamonic
5) Matt Donovan
6) John Tavares
7) Mikko Koskinen
8) Anders Nilsson
9) Casey Cizikas
10) Nino Neiderreiter

Furthermore These are the draft selections the rangers have had since 2007; Drafted: 17, 48, 20, 51, 75, 90, 19, 47, 80, 10, 40, 100, 15, 72 -- Average pick is 48.9

These are the draft selections the islanders have had since 2007; Drafted: 62, 76, 9, 36, 40, 53, 66, 72, 73, 96, 1, 12, 31, 62, 92, 5, 30, 65, 82, 5, 34, 50, 63, 95 -- Average Pick is 50.4
- LetsGoIsles

Anyone of the three players you mentioned the Rangers picked I'd take over anyone the Isles drafted besides Taveras(who was first overall of course) or Hamonic. What about you? Also, my original point was not solely based on drafting which I've pointed out numerous times. Signing/trading/drafting for players like Prust, Mcdonagh, Hagelin, Girardi(who was an undrafted free agent BTW), Staal, Anisimov, Fedetenko, is what makes a good GM. I'm not even talking about Gaborik or Richards(because I know the old its Wang's fault routine will start again). These are players alot of teams with capable GM's could've gotten. Replace Prust with Rolston and Boyle with Reasoner and Eaton with Mcdonagh and Girardi with Jurcina and you have a top five pick. How can you even argue/discuss this? He built this team, hired the coach, hired his scouting staff, its his freaking team. Its where it is because of who he hired/drafted/signed/or traded for. Said team is going to the conference finals and has a legitimate shot at winning the cup. Good for him/them, they deserve it. You can sit there and throw these numbers out all you want, the proof is right there staring you in the face tonight on NBC at 7:30.

What makes you think a losing team in Brooklyn will get any more press than a losing team in Nassau? One thing and one thing only will get this team more attention: Winning.
- PeteM

Been saying this for some time now. Winning would also help with everything else this team wants including getting an arena.

What makes you think a losing team in Brooklyn will get any more press than a losing team in Nassau? One thing and one thing only will get this team more attention: Winning.
- PeteM

No question the team needs to win but just being in Brooklyn will get the team more attention at the start. Brooklyn is a huge deal.

No question the team needs to win but just being in Brooklyn will get the team more attention at the start.
- ses111

Yeah, for a few months till December when they are already out of the playoffs. You know, when Bailey and Okposo start scoring

Yeah, for a few months till December when they are already out of the playoffs. You know, when Bailey and Okposo start scoring
- Cptmjl

So negative Cptmjl. Brooklyn will fix everything. Brooklyn will be great just to stop Wang and Snow using the building as an excuse.

So negative Cptmjl. Brooklyn will fix everything. Brooklyn will be great just to stop Wang and Snow using the building as an excuse.
- ses111

You are right, it will be nice for them to no longer have that scape goat to hang their shat on anymore. What will be the next excuse for Snow, I can hear them now...

You are right, it will be nice for them to no longer have that scape goat to hang their shat on anymore. What will be the next excuse for Snow, I can hear them now...
- Cptmjl

I'm sure the 14,500 capacity will be used as an excuse. I'm hoping Ratner buys out Wang and he is not even owner but that's too much to hope for.

Yeah, for a few months till December when they are already out of the playoffs. You know, when Bailey and Okposo start scoring
- Cptmjl

Aint it the Truth, aint it the truth!

I'm sure the 14,500 capacity will be used as an excuse. I'm hoping Ratner buys out Wang and he is not even owner but that's too much to hope for.
- ses111

That would be awesome. There is a rumor going around that the fanless practices have been such a success they are discussing bringing down the seating even more at the Barclays center to facilitate Capuano. Its not fair to him or Snow or his players to have to play in front of so many fans. They don't need any additional stress.

i definitely hear your point and i agree with it but if we ALL agree that milbury was the REASON why the team was set back so far, for so many years IE the actual team and the prospect pool, than its only fair to expect the replenishing of the team and the prospect pool to take a pretty considerable about of time....i cant blame guys liek CDH for not being super human and just jumping the ranks and being a regular NHLer. not everyone is travis hamonic.
- LetsGoIsles

I totally get what you're saying as I have cited in the past the Red Wings as being the model from which this franchise should copy. Remember, they were called the DEAD Wings in the 80's. The truth is, most Isles fans probably have no problem with the drafted players aspect of this rebuild. It's more of the fact that our owner hasn't invested a dime to try and make the current on ice product better so that we can be in the playoff mix every year and support these young guys when they are thrown onto the ice as rookies. (which they really shouldn't) That has made everything else, and god knows it is ALOT that we've all had to endure as Isles fans, much worse.

Anyone of the three players you mentioned the Rangers picked I'd take over anyone the Isles drafted besides Taveras(who was first overall of course) or Hamonic. What about you? Also, my original point was not solely based on drafting which I've pointed out numerous times. Signing/trading/drafting for players like Prust, Mcdonagh, Hagelin, Girardi(who was an undrafted free agent BTW), Staal, Anisimov, Fedetenko, is what makes a good GM. I'm not even talking about Gaborik or Richards(because I know the old its Wang's fault routine will start again). These are players alot of teams with capable GM's could've gotten. Replace Prust with Rolston and Boyle with Reasoner and Eaton with Mcdonagh and Girardi with Jurcina and you have a top five pick. How can you even argue/discuss this? He built this team, hired the coach, hired his scouting staff, its his freaking team. Its where it is because of who he hired/drafted/signed/or traded for. Said team is going to the conference finals and has a legitimate shot at winning the cup. Good for him/them, they deserve it. You can sit there and throw these numbers out all you want, the proof is right there staring you in the face tonight on NBC at 7:30.
- Cptmjl

i was addressing the "id rather have the rangers draft over the past 5 years than the islanders" THAT i disagree with; so the numbers that im throwing out are ONLY based on that comment. im very away of the rangers talent and its nice to see them doing well, i dont think for a second they dont have a well built team. my comment is SOLELY based on the "id rather have the rangers draft over the past 5 years than the islanders"

in regards to rather have JT/Hamonic over the rangers 3, i agree with....as for the other 8, i would have to really think about nino, but of the list of those 13 players listed i like the chances that the 3 best players would come from the islanders as opposed to the rangers...but thats more a strength in numbers...its close

I totally get what you're saying as I have cited in the past the Red Wings as being the model from which this franchise should copy. Remember, they were called the DEAD Wings in the 80's. The truth is, most Isles fans probably have no problem with the drafted players aspect of this rebuild. It's more of the fact that our owner hasn't invested a dime to try and make the current on ice product better so that we can be in the playoff mix every year and support these young guys when they are thrown onto the ice as rookies. (which they really shouldn't) That has made everything else, and god knows it is ALOT that we've all had to endure as Isles fans, much worse.
- Mancalledsting

this should be posted at the start of every blog as a reminder who we should be blaming....

i was addressing the "id rather have the rangers draft over the past 5 years than the islanders" THAT i disagree with; so the numbers that im throwing out are ONLY based on that comment. im very away of the rangers talent and its nice to see them doing well, i dont think for a second they dont have a well built team. my comment is SOLELY based on the "id rather have the rangers draft over the past 5 years than the islanders"

in regards to rather have JT/Hamonic over the rangers 3, i agree with....as for the other 8, i would have to really think about nino, but of the list of those 13 players listed i like the chances that the 3 best players would come from the islanders as opposed to the rangers...but thats more a strength in numbers...its close
- LetsGoIsles

I'll stand by that post I made. Besides sucking enough to earn the first overall pick and being fortunate enough to have a player like Taveras I'll take results over a whole lot of maybes. Most people in the real world would agree. Most people take results and good ones at that.

this should be posted at the start of every blog as a reminder who we should be blaming....
- LetsGoIsles

Come on man, you really think none of this has to do with Snow?

Come on man, you really think none of this has to do with Snow?
- Cptmjl

none??? no, id say some of it does...sure, every GM makes mistakes...but i just dont know to what extreme wang is limiting him....i just dk what he is/nt capable of.

if he were the GM of the rangers IE with an owner willing to spend, id be able to make that assessment.

I'll stand by that post I made. Besides sucking enough to earn the first overall pick and being fortunate enough to have a player like Taveras I'll take results over a whole lot of maybes. Most people in the real world would agree. Most people take results and good ones at that.
- Cptmjl

considering tavares and hamonic arent maybes....and kreider (id assume you agree) is considered a maybe...wouldnt that mean that BOTH the rangers and isles have 2 "results players"?

Did we ever figure out what was up with Kabanov? I hear it's not true that he's going to the KHL.
- UIF

Dmitry Chesnokov ‏ @dchesnokov
re: Kabanov. I was told some contacts were made with Salavat regarding playing there if there's a lockout,or if he doesn't make team at camp

In other Russian news, Semin's agent confirmed he's heading to free agency. For the right price he'd look nice on the right sides of JT and Moulson. Probably would have to overpay to even get the time of day.

considering tavares and hamonic arent maybes....and kreider (id assume you agree) is considered a maybe...wouldnt that mean that BOTH the rangers and isles have 2 "results players"?
- LetsGoIsles

IDK about that? Kreider looks pretty damn good, its still early so I guess you could throw a "maybe" on him? MDZ, Staal, Girardi, Stepan, Hagelin, are all legitimate NHL players and good ones at that. I'd take most of who I mentioned over Cizikas, Donovan, DeHaan, Kabanov. Of course I'm going on the here now, I understand that but most of these guys were better prospects and with good reason it seems? Comparing depth signings/trades, drafting, picking a coach and staff for scouting, etc... There really is no comparing them IMO. I can't sit here and say it's Wang's fault when all of the players I mentioned were drafted or were third line players probably even we could've picked up. We signed Rolston, Reasoner, Mottau, Jurcina, Eaton and got Capuano for a coach and gave him an extension for next year due to the great job he did, is that Wang's fault? They signed/traded for Mcdonagh, Prust, Boyle, Fedetenko, and Girardi and have Torterella for a coach. Who would you take? I get your point but it does not give him a get out of jail free card with everything to me, I get he is more limited but he is one of the people who created the present environment this team is in and he should be held accountable for it.

IDK about that? Kreider looks pretty damn good, its still early so I guess you could throw a "maybe" on him? MDZ, Staal, Girardi, Stepan, Hagelin, are all legitimate NHL players and good ones at that. I'd take most of who I mentioned over Cizikas, Donovan, DeHaan, Kabanov. Of course I'm going on the here now, I understand that but most of these guys were better prospects and with good reason it seems? Comparing depth signings/trades, drafting, picking a coach and staff for scouting, etc... There really is no comparing them IMO. I can't sit here and say it's Wang's fault when all of the players I mentioned were drafted or were third line players probably even we could've picked up. We signed Rolston, Reasoner, Mottau, Jurcina, Eaton and got Capuano for a coach and gave him an extension for next year due to the great job he did, is that Wang's fault? They signed/traded for Mcdonagh, Prust, Boyle, Fedetenko, and Girardi and have Torterella for a coach. Who would you take? I get your point but it does not give him a get out of jail free card with everything to me, I get he is more limited but he is one of the people who created the present environment this team is in and he should be held accountable for it.
- Cptmjl

Kreider also looked very much like a rookie at times. I'll let him play an 82 game season before I make up my mind one way or another on him.

Wang is a control freak that thinks he knows more than everyone else. My guess is that Snow is, at least partially, a puppet of his. Snow is responsible for some of this, that's undeniable, but you have to look at the big picture. Wang is very clearly a stubborn, egotistical, pigheaded idiot. I completely believe that Snow signing guys like Reasoner, Pando, and Staios (and acquiring Rolston) wasn't a result of Snow thinking that they would help make our team successful, but a result of Snow having to operate on a shoe-string budget allocated to him by Charles Wang. It's the equivalent of being forced to shop in a dollar store...you can buy the best stuff you find there, but in the end it still sucks.

That would be awesome. There is a rumor going around that the fanless practices have been such a success they are discussing bringing down the seating even more at the Barclays center to facilitate Capuano. Its not fair to him or Snow or his players to have to play in front of so many fans. They don't need any additional stress.
- Cptmjl

I can picture Beyonce at practice and Snow and Jack complaining about her being there.

I totally get what you're saying as I have cited in the past the Red Wings as being the model from which this franchise should copy. Remember, they were called the DEAD Wings in the 80's. The truth is, most Isles fans probably have no problem with the drafted players aspect of this rebuild. It's more of the fact that our owner hasn't invested a dime to try and make the current on ice product better so that we can be in the playoff mix every year and support these young guys when they are thrown onto the ice as rookies. (which they really shouldn't) That has made everything else, and god knows it is ALOT that we've all had to endure as Isles fans, much worse.
- Mancalledsting

Just hiring a real coach and getting angry with the losing would go a long way for Wang. Many fans like me give him a pass for not spending a ton of money. He gets no pass for having yes men and for sitting back and accepting losing.

eh since 2007 rangers have had 14 picks to the islanders 24 picks (through first 100 picks).

Rangers players to have played for the rangers (might have missed 1 or 2) since 07 draft:

1) MDZ
2) Derek Stepan
3) Kris Kreider


Islanders players to have for the isles since 07:

1) Mark Katic
2) Josh Bailey
3) Aaron Ness
4) Travis Hamonic
5) Matt Donovan
6) John Tavares
7) Mikko Koskinen
8) Anders Nilsson
9) Casey Cizikas
10) Nino Neiderreiter

Furthermore These are the draft selections the rangers have had since 2007; Drafted: 17, 48, 20, 51, 75, 90, 19, 47, 80, 10, 40, 100, 15, 72 -- Average pick is 48.9

These are the draft selections the islanders have had since 2007; Drafted: 62, 76, 9, 36, 40, 53, 66, 72, 73, 96, 1, 12, 31, 62, 92, 5, 30, 65, 82, 5, 34, 50, 63, 95 -- Average Pick is 50.4
- LetsGoIsles

you missed Carl Hagelin

Kreider also looked very much like a rookie at times. I'll let him play an 82 game season before I make up my mind one way or another on him.

Wang is a control freak that thinks he knows more than everyone else. My guess is that Snow is, at least partially, a puppet of his. Snow is responsible for some of this, that's undeniable, but you have to look at the big picture. Wang is very clearly a stubborn, egotistical, pigheaded idiot. I completely believe that Snow signing guys like Reasoner, Pando, and Staios (and acquiring Rolston) wasn't a result of Snow thinking that they would help make our team successful, but a result of Snow having to operate on a shoe-string budget allocated to him by Charles Wang. It's the equivalent of being forced to shop in a dollar store...you can buy the best stuff you find there, but in the end it still sucks.
- eichiefs9

Rolston had a 5 million dollar contract. I have to believe Snow could have been a bit more creative in reaching the cap floor.. Even if we overpaid a couple of players. I find it hard to believe that Wang said "Snowman, May I call you Snowman?

"Snowman, Get Rolston so we can get to the cap floor and be done with it". I'm not interested in bringing in quality players with $5,000,000.00 Price tags. "Just get to the cap floor and get the damn thing over with"
"See me next yr."