Fine, then Ken Holland of Detroit. I wasn't even comparing Snow and Yzerman's careers to begin with. My dead grandfather who didn't know hockey existed could tell you the difference. Geez.
- BringBackBalky

Now you are grasping at straws. When he took over the team there was already and awesome team in front of him. Cant we jsut agree that Snow is horrible at GM, horrible as a player, and just here for our unfortunate entertainment

Who was comparing careers? Ray Shero couldn't even make it in the NHL and I'd say he's done a good job in Pittsburgh, no?
- BringBackBalky

Well, I was comparing careers. A guy who captained the Wings at 21(and served as such for 21 years) won three Stanley Cups and a con smythe along 2 other awards. Was(once again) Vice President of operations for the Wings(won the cup that year as well) and was an alternate Governer.
OR
A back up goaltender who couldn't hold a starting job with ZERO management experience.

Who would you go with?

Well, I was comparing careers. A guy who captained the Wings at 21(and served as such for 21 years) won three Stanley Cups and a con smythe along 2 other awards. Was(once again) Vice President of operations for the Wings(won the cup that year as well) and was an alternate Governer.
OR
A back up goaltender who couldn't hold a starting job with ZERO management experience.

Who would you go with?
- Cptmjl

Dont forget Snows illegal size pads and he still sucked. That is important

I just find it funny that on this site, everyone knows someone who knows someone else who knows this and that.
- BringBackBalky

You don't know any Islander fans that dislike Snow? Are you being serious? I can name five on here alone

Dont forget Snows illegal size pads and he still sucked. That is important
- kasperrko

Well, I was comparing careers. A guy who captained the Wings at 21(and served as such for 21 years) won three Stanley Cups and a con smythe along 2 other awards. Was(once again) Vice President of operations for the Wings(won the cup that year as well) and was an alternate Governer.
OR
A back up goaltender who couldn't hold a starting job with ZERO management experience.

Who would you go with?
- Cptmjl

Of course I'd go with Yzerman. But I only used him as an example based on a generic comment, not a specific person.

Who was comparing careers? Ray Shero couldn't even make it in the NHL and I'd say he's done a good job in Pittsburgh, no?
- BringBackBalky

What were you saying when you wrote;

"Edit:Yes I know Yzerman wasn't thrown into the position but the way you wrote it makes it seem like anyone who retires and becomes a GM right after isn't qualified. Thats all."

I thought you were saying Snow was just as qualified as Yzerman? I have no idea how I drew that conclusion?

You don't know any Islander fans that dislike Snow? Are you being serious? I can name five on here alone
- Cptmjl

I'm referring to disliking him on a personal level, not professional. To say you don't like someone means you know them on a personal level. To say you think he sucks as a GM and doesn't know what he's doing is a totally different thing.

Of course I'd go with Yzerman. But I only used him as an example based on a generic comment, not a specific person.
- BringBackBalky

gotcha

I'm referring to disliking him on a personal level, not professional. To say you don't like someone means you know them on a personal level. To say you think he sucks as a GM and doesn't know what he's doing is a totally different thing.
- BringBackBalky

OH... Got it now!

I'm referring to disliking him on a personal level, not professional. To say you don't like someone means you know them on a personal level. To say you think he sucks as a GM and doesn't know what he's doing is a totally different thing.
- BringBackBalky

Really? You don't know of any people you dislike that you don't know on a personal level?

Really? You don't know of any people you dislike that you don't know on a personal level?
- Cptmjl

Personally I like to give people the benefit of the doubt before deciding. And this doesn't refer to extreme scenarios i.e Osama Bin Laden, Hitler, etc.

Edit: I dislike Sidney Crosby on a professional level. I dislike what he does to my team and how the NHL plays favorites with him. To say he's a bad teammate or a bad person would be wrong for me to say because I don't know him.

Personally I like to give people the benefit of the doubt before deciding. And this doesn't refer to extreme scenarios i.e Osama Bin Laden, Hitler, etc.

Edit: I dislike Sidney Crosby on a professional level. I dislike what he does to my team and how the NHL plays favorites with him. To say he's a bad teammate or a bad person would be wrong for me to say because I don't know him.
- BringBackBalky

How about a cry baby?

Oh yeah. The way you look at things how would you know who to point the finger at? You need "factual proof" for any statement or opinion. I need to prove to you that Snow actually wanted to sign Rolston(*trade), Jurcina, Eaton, Mottau, and Reasoner to contracts to reach the floor and it wasn't Wang's idea to sign these hockey legends. How do you know its not Dolan drafting and signing all those players for the Rangers? Maybe Sather has nothing to do with it? I have no "factual" evidence of it.
I wonder, if the team was doing great would you give Wang credit for building this team or would we be allowed to post what a good job Snow was doing without you telling us we couldn't "factually" prove to you it was Snow's doing so we can't really say that? If this team has a winning record next year (don't hold your breath)you'll be the first one to say, "I told you so"! Guaranteed. I will follow it up with that I want "factual" proof that Snow actually built the team and it wasn't Wang.
- Cptmjl

I think we all know who's calling the shots on the Islanders. Its the same as everywhere else: Snow (the GM) is in charge and responsible for player acquisitions and he is given a budget from Wang (team ownership) that he must work within.

I will add this: the salary cap era and the current CBA has tons of rules and exceptions that makes it very easy to circumvent the hard line rules. Yes, there's a salary floor, but the CBA lets rookie contracts with bonuses that will likely never vest count towards that "floor". It also allows buy-outs to count against the cap. So, if for argument's sake the floor is $40M (I'm not sure what it is), it is conceviable that an owner can spend considerably less actual dollars than that floor number if his GM gets creative, by doing such things as buying out players and rushing rookies to the NHL.

There is probably no doubt in any fans' mind that while CW must officially "spend to the salary floor", he has no intention on doing so. CW will use the system to his advantage and spend as few actual salary dollars as he can and still comply with the CBA. And that is where my frustrations lie with Wang. He won't even spend to the salary floor with actual salary dollars, instead skimping by and circumventing the salary floor rules by using buy-outs and rushing rookies to the NHL.

Maybe rushing Bailey and Nino to the NHL had to do with getting their cap numbers to count towards the floor and it wasn't Snow's idea to do it? I don't know. But I do know that putting a kid on the NHL roster before he's ready to play in the NHL is bad for his development and as a result is also bad for the team's development.

Apparently the phrase of the day is "actual proof" so dare I say, do you have any?
- BringBackBalky

im sorry, youre not allowed to ask for that, being asked to back up ones comments no longer is necessary; just make a comment, dont back it up and when youre called out on it except to be called names and ranked on due to the lack of factual information....dont say i didnt warn you

I think we all know who's calling the shots on the Islanders. Its the same as everywhere else: Snow (the GM) is in charge and responsible for player acquisitions and he is given a budget from Wang (team ownership) that he must work within.

I will add this: the salary cap era and the current CBA has tons of rules and exceptions that makes it very easy to circumvent the hard line rules. Yes, there's a salary floor, but the CBA lets rookie contracts with bonuses that will likely never vest count towards that "floor". It also allows buy-outs to count against the cap. So, if for argument's sake the floor is $40M (I'm not sure what it is), it is conceviable that an owner can spend considerably less actual dollars than that floor number if his GM gets creative, by doing such things as buying out players and rushing rookies to the NHL.

There is probably no doubt in any fans' mind that while CW must officially "spend to the salary floor", he has no intention on doing so. CW will use the system to his advantage and spend as few actual salary dollars as he can and still comply with the CBA. And that is where my frustrations lie with Wang. He won't even spend to the salary floor with actual salary dollars, instead skimping by and circumventing the salary floor rules by using buy-outs and rushing rookies to the NHL.

Maybe rushing Bailey and Nino to the NHL had to do with getting their cap numbers to count towards the floor and it wasn't Snow's idea to do it? I don't know. But I do know that putting a kid on the NHL roster before he's ready to play in the NHL is bad for his development and as a result is also bad for the team's development.
- Jethro09

would you agree that because of this loophole (or whatever the word you may choose) has a ripple effect and therefore hurts garths chances of signing free agents or trading for players because everyone knows CW isnt willing to spend the money on both players and the team?

would you agree that because of this loophole (or whatever the word you may choose) has a ripple effect and therefore hurts garths chances of signing free agents or trading for players because everyone knows CW isnt willing to spend the money on both players and the team?
- LetsGoIsles

I don't know what impact it has. I would imagine that it takes away from Snow's ability to sign FA's, but I can't see how it prevents him from making trades. Only a few players in the league have no-move or no-trade clauses. Surely, if Snow was willing to part with some assets he'd be able to make trades for players. But then again, If CW is telling him he can only spend a certain amount and has to reach the floor through buy-outs or rookie contracts, Snow's hands may be tied. Of course, nobody in the organization will come out and clarify any of this.

I don't know what impact it has. I would imagine that it takes away from Snow's ability to sign FA's, but I can't see how it prevents him from making trades. Only a few players in the league have no-move or no-trade clauses. Surely, if Snow was willing to part with some assets he'd be able to make trades for players. But then again, If CW is telling him he can only spend a certain amount and has to reach the floor through buy-outs or rookie contracts, Snow's hands may be tied. Of course, nobody in the organization will come out and clarify any of this.
- Jethro09

in regards to the trades...i meant from a NMC or NTC and also if the targeted player has a bigger contract....

having said that...this is and will be how i feel and why i have a hard time totally blaming snow for being what some people see as sub-par....until wang allows snow some flexibility the new logo for the islanders should be a "?"

in regards to the trades...i meant from a NMC or NTC and also if the targeted player has a bigger contract....

having said that...this is and will be how i feel and why i have a hard time totally blaming snow for being what some people see as sub-par....until wang allows snow some flexibility the new logo for the islanders should be a "?"
- LetsGoIsles

grasping at straws are we?

im sorry, youre not allowed to ask for that, being asked to back up ones comments no longer is necessary; just make a comment, dont back it up and when youre called out on it except to be called names and ranked on due to the lack of factual information....dont say i didnt warn you
- LetsGoIsles

I don't need to prove that Snow not Wang went out and signed/traded for Rolston, Pandalfo, Mottau, Reasoner, and Staios to reach the cap floor. If you believe that Wang told Snow to go out and sign these guys by name you are out of your mind. So, answer the question. If by some miracle we are a good team next year and make the playoffs are you going to give credit to Snow or Wang for building the team?

in regards to the trades...i meant from a NMC or NTC and also if the targeted player has a bigger contract....

having said that...this is and will be how i feel and why i have a hard time totally blaming snow for being what some people see as sub-par....until wang allows snow some flexibility the new logo for the islanders should be a "?"
- LetsGoIsles

The new logo for the Islanders should be and this on the back

grasping at straws are we?
- Cptmjl

why do you just throw out comments and not explain what youre talking about? grasping at straws about what?? his hands being tied?? why are you so unclear?

I don't need to prove that Snow not Wang went out and signed/traded for Rolston, Pandalfo, Mottau, Reasoner, and Staios to reach the cap floor. If you believe that Wang told Snow to go out and sign these guys by name you are out of your mind. So, answer the question. If by some miracle we are a good team next year and make the playoffs are you going to give credit to Snow or Wang for building the team?
- Cptmjl

you keep on saying this but dont explain why...youre go to comment is usually, "if you dont know this, i dont know what to tell you"....just tell me how you know what the ripple effect is...if you mean whose name is on the contract, yes it is garths job to get the guy; if youre asking if garth wanted these guys to start, NO it is conceivable (by everyone but you) that garth was pushed into a corner and "forced" to take those guys

why do you just throw out comments and not explain what youre talking about? grasping at straws about what?? his hands being tied?? why are you so unclear?
- LetsGoIsles

OK, here we go again. You trying to squeeze any common sense into anything you have said today. You're reaching. Snow spent money on the players I mentioned, that money was there to be spent. It was spent on them. Once again, Wang didn't tell Snow one day, "Hey Garth, you know I've been watching alot of hockey lately and I I really like Staios, Reasoner, Mottau, Rolston, and Eaton. I think they are great players, go out and get them!". I don't think anyone needs proof for this, except for...

you keep on saying this but dont explain why...youre go to comment is usually, "if you dont know this, i dont know what to tell you"....just tell me how you know what the ripple effect is...if you mean whose name is on the contract, yes it is garths job to get the guy; if youre asking if garth wanted these guys to start, NO it is conceivable (by everyone but you) that garth was pushed into a corner and "forced" to take those guys
- LetsGoIsles

OK, this would go for any other GM in the NHL then. I'm going to need proof that any of these guys signs players, makes trades, drafts players. Go get some proof. I can't go on Snow saying himself that he is GM and does these things without any interference from Wang? BTW, you didn't answer the question.