Believe what you want. People like you never learn, I know the type. Even when Snow makes moves they suck for the most part. Very few of his signings/trades and even some of his drafting has been questionable at best. He has done very little except draft and when he has to do something to reach the floor it's signing garbage. You will blame Wang for every point I make. Some of which I can see your point but for the most part its evident that Wang has little or nothing to do with that particular subject. You will defend Snow no matter what we are talking about. You jump down people's throats sometimes when they are not even saying anything negative to defend Snow, it's actually pretty strange. I've never witnessed so much blind faith put into someone before in my life least of all in sports where results matter. Don't misunderstand any of this post(which you seem to do consistently), none of this is in any way complimentary to you.
- Cptmjl

please provide FACTUAL evidence....and if you dont have evidence, than it isnt evident, its an opinion!

Believe what you want. People like you never learn, I know the type. Even when Snow makes moves they suck for the most part. Very few of his signings/trades and even some of his drafting has been questionable at best. He has done very little except draft and when he has to do something to reach the floor it's signing garbage. You will blame Wang for every point I make. Some of which I can see your point but for the most part its evident that Wang has little or nothing to do with that particular subject. You will defend Snow no matter what we are talking about. You jump down people's throats sometimes when they are not even saying anything negative to defend Snow, it's actually pretty strange. I've never witnessed so much blind faith put into someone before in my life least of all in sports where results matter. Don't misunderstand any of this post(which you seem to do consistently), none of this is in any way complimentary to you.
- Cptmjl

please provide FACTUAL evidence....

I wasn't even discussing anything with you, YOU interjected and started discussing solely drafting. I don't need to go back and look and copy and paste to prove anything to you, if you're that interested go back and read. You seem to love doing that. Then I made those points which BTW I'm still not denying
- Cptmjl

im sorry, but i was rasing my hand and you werent calling on me!!!

please provide FACTUAL evidence....and if you dont have evidence, than it isnt evident, its an opinion!
- LetsGoIsles

You need "factual evidence" to know that Snow wanted to sign Rolston, Mottau, Reasoner and Eaton to reach the salary cap floor and Wang didn't ask him to sign these particular players? Really? Do you think Wang even knew who these guys were or even what their names are? Is this even a serious question/statement?

I wasn't even discussing anything with you, YOU interjected and started discussing solely drafting. I don't need to go back and look and copy and paste to prove anything to you, if you're that interested go back and read. You seem to love doing that. Then I made those points which BTW I'm still not denying
- Cptmjl

im sorry, but i was raising my hand and you werent calling on me!!!

im sorry, but i was rasing my hand and you werent calling on me!!!
- LetsGoIsles

Just keep in mind, I'm never calling on you!

i'm bored2006 andrew macdonald pick 160 (i know its not a snow pick)
2008 Donovan pick 96 David Ullstrom 102 Kevin Poulin pick 126 Matt Martin pick 148
2009 Cizikas pick 92 Anders Lee pick 152
- NYI78

So am I.. keep going..
I will start with my favorite late round pick
1986- Rich Pilon 631 NHL games... CHIEF!!
1987 Rob DiMaio in 6th round 894 nHL games.
1989 Vladimir Malakhov 10th round 712 NHL games..
Ian Fraser in the 12th round.. 94 NHL games.
1991 - Andreas Johansson 7th roung 377 NHL games .. Valicevic 6th round 193 games.
1992 Derek Armstrong 6th round 477 games
1994- Richard Tarnstrom in 11th round.. over 300 NHL games.
1995 Orszagh 289 games 5th round.
1999- Radek Martinek 8th round .. 460 games (hurt for 900 )
2004 Campoli in the 7th round 440 games...

So am I.. keep going..
I will start with my favorite late round pick
1986- Rich Pilon 631 NHL games... CHIEF!!
1987 Rob DiMaio in 6th round 894 nHL games.
1989 Vladimir Malakhov 10th round 712 NHL games..
Ian Fraser in the 12th round.. 94 NHL games.
1991 - Andreas Johansson 7th roung 377 NHL games .. Valicevic 6th round 193 games.
1992 Derek Armstrong 6th round 477 games
1994- Richard Tarnstrom in 11th round.. over 300 NHL games.
1995 Orszagh 289 games 5th round.
1999- Radek Martinek 8th round .. 460 games (hurt for 900 )
- niteislander

I normally am not someone demanding a "source" from someone but where'd you get this info from?
- Cptmjl

Kirill Kabanov

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So am I.. keep going..
I will start with my favorite late round pick
1986- Rich Pilon 631 NHL games... CHIEF!!
1987 Rob DiMaio in 6th round 894 nHL games.
1989 Vladimir Malakhov 10th round 712 NHL games..
Ian Fraser in the 12th round.. 94 NHL games.
1991 - Andreas Johansson 7th roung 377 NHL games .. Valicevic 6th round 193 games.
1992 Derek Armstrong 6th round 477 games
1994- Richard Tarnstrom in 11th round.. over 300 NHL games.
1995 Orszagh 289 games 5th round.
1999- Radek Martinek 8th round .. 460 games (hurt for 900 )
2004 Campoli in the 7th round 440 games...
- niteislander

Wow, you guys are bored but its entertaining, can you give letsgoisles something else to do? He seems to be bored too?

Kirill Kabanov

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

gotcha, See Kirill Petrov

gotcha, See Kirill Petrov
- Cptmjl

Petrov is signed in the KHL for the next 2 seasons...

Kirill Kabanov is not.... the rumors of him signing in the KHL were wrong, He did however agree to play there if there was a lockout in the NHL.


XxNYIxX

Wouldn't you say its pretty risky to use common sense on Hockey Buzz?

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- XxNYIxX

sometimes i wish i knew who these guys are that i talk with...i almost hope they are 12 year old boys who have no reason to understand the realities of building up a business/team and that it takes time and its a step by step process....cjtly cant wrap his hear around the fact that i give garth very limited credit for what he has done; garth is a tool and a puppet...my opinion, which has always been the same is that, i can never fully blame garth on ANY move because in any move we dont know how hard wang is pulling on the reigns.

Petrov is signed in the KHL for the next 2 seasons...

Kirill Kabanov is not.... the rumors of him signing in the KHL were wrong, He did however agree to play there if there was a lockout in the NHL.


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Do Isles still retain rights to Petrov after his 2 years? I am sure someone will be angry at me for even asking.. but I am curious.

Do Isles still retain rights to Petrov after his 2 years? I am sure someone will be angry at me for even asking.. but I am curious.
- niteislander

yes

Wow, you guys are bored but its entertaining, can you give letsgoisles something else to do? He seems to be bored too?
- Cptmjl

once again, drawing your own conclusions....

Snow is doing a great job its not his fault. He drafts better than anyone else and Sather sucks. Didn't you hear? Snow is a genius being stopped by Wang. You guys being in the playoffs and competing the last three years and going to the conference finals and winning the conference is a complete fluke.
- Cptmjl

I'm not sure how you can call it a fluke. I’m not a fan of Sather, but he’s been building this team for quite a few years. He’s drafted some pretty key players, like Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Del Zotto, Hagelin, Stepan, Ansimov, let them slowly develop. Done whatever it took to keep Lundqvist in the fold (also after drafting him). And augmented that with some free agent signings that have been huge for the team, and essentially gotten them to the next level, in Richards and Gaborik.

Yeah, in the past, his free agent signings have been his weakness. He’s thrown big money at the wrong players in the past. His last couple are huge though. But he’s ALWAYS rocked the other GMs in terms of trades, easily. No question. His drafting and development has built the majority of the team.

I think he gets too much credit for the Oiler dynasty. He walked into a team that would have pretty easily won those cups with a monkey at the helm. And pre-lockout, throwing money at everything was his M.O., and it didn’t work. You can say the cap forced him to all you want, but he’s adjusted, and built this Rangers team through every method a GM has available to him, and done so pretty well. The Rangers being in the conf finals is no fluke. It’s been building this way for a years.

Do Isles still retain rights to Petrov after his 2 years? I am sure someone will be angry at me for even asking.. but I am curious.
- niteislander

We do, and he still wants to play in the NHL & for the Islanders, but his mother's health is more important to him right now & playing in the KHL lets him be closer to her.

XxNYIxX

sometimes i wish i knew who these guys are that i talk with...i almost hope they are 12 year old boys who have no reason to understand the realities of building up a business/team and that it takes time and its a step by step process....cjtly cant wrap his hear around the fact that i give garth very limited credit for what he has done; garth is a tool and a puppet...my opinion, which has always been the same is that, i can never fully blame garth on ANY move because in any move we dont know how hard wang is pulling on the reigns.
- LetsGoIsles

I don't know...If I remember right, back during the last round of penny-pinching owners, no one was ready to blame Milbury because of all the restraints he had on him. But when those restraints were lifted, he didn't exactly become GM of the decade. Bad GMs always have an excuse until there are no more excuses left. Good GMs find ways to at least have some limited success even in bad situations.

I'm not sure how you can call it a fluke. I’m not a fan of Sather, but he’s been building this team for quite a few years. He’s drafted some pretty key players, like Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Del Zotto, Hagelin, Stepan, Ansimov, let them slowly develop. Done whatever it took to keep Lundqvist in the fold (also after drafting him). And augmented that with some free agent signings that have been huge for the team, and essentially gotten them to the next level, in Richards and Gaborik.

Yeah, in the past, his free agent signings have been his weakness. He’s thrown big money at the wrong players in the past. His last couple are huge though. But he’s ALWAYS rocked the other GMs in terms of trades, easily. No question. His drafting and development has built the majority of the team.

I think he gets too much credit for the Oiler dynasty. He walked into a team that would have pretty easily won those cups with a monkey at the helm. And pre-lockout, throwing money at everything was his M.O., and it didn’t work. You can say the cap forced him to all you want, but he’s adjusted, and built this Rangers team through every method a GM has available to him, and done so pretty well. The Rangers being in the conf finals is no fluke. It’s been building this way for a years.
- prock

your vocabulary is impeccable...youre sarcasm detection skills, not so much

We do, and he still wants to play in the NHL & for the Islanders, but his mother's health is more important to him right now & playing in the KHL lets him be closer to her.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

I don't blame him.. Should be that way. It is a very good league he is playing in too... so in the end it may be a blessing. If it doesn't work out it will not matter anyway.

I'm not sure how you can call it a fluke. I’m not a fan of Sather, but he’s been building this team for quite a few years. He’s drafted some pretty key players, like Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Del Zotto, Hagelin, Stepan, Ansimov, let them slowly develop. Done whatever it took to keep Lundqvist in the fold (also after drafting him). And augmented that with some free agent signings that have been huge for the team, and essentially gotten them to the next level, in Richards and Gaborik.

Yeah, in the past, his free agent signings have been his weakness. He’s thrown big money at the wrong players in the past. His last couple are huge though. But he’s ALWAYS rocked the other GMs in terms of trades, easily. No question. His drafting and development has built the majority of the team.

I think he gets too much credit for the Oiler dynasty. He walked into a team that would have pretty easily won those cups with a monkey at the helm. And pre-lockout, throwing money at everything was his M.O., and it didn’t work. You can say the cap forced him to all you want, but he’s adjusted, and built this Rangers team through every method a GM has available to him, and done so pretty well. The Rangers being in the conf finals is no fluke. It’s been building this way for a years.
- prock

Cpt should have put a after his post. He wasn't serious...

your vocabulary is impeccable...youre sarcasm detection skills, not so much
- LetsGoIsles

We do, and he still wants to play in the NHL & for the Islanders, but his mother's health is more important to him right now & playing in the KHL lets him be closer to her.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Gotta believe at this point it's pretty long odds we'll ever see Kirill Petrov in an Islanders uniform...

sometimes i wish i knew who these guys are that i talk with...i almost hope they are 12 year old boys who have no reason to understand the realities of building up a business/team and that it takes time and its a step by step process....cjtly cant wrap his hear around the fact that i give garth very limited credit for what he has done; garth is a tool and a puppet...my opinion, which has always been the same is that, i can never fully blame garth on ANY move because in any move we dont know how hard wang is pulling on the reigns.
- LetsGoIsles

I think most people on here feel the same way about you.