Depends on how big of a hard-on Lowe has for Murray... If it's not HUGE, I wouldn't do that deal. I'd draft Yakupov, and roll two dangerous lines. I'd see how that went... If it worked out, that's great... If not, I'd trade one of the Fantastic 4 for a young, proven d-man.
- laughs2907

A least you have options. Having Murray play at the WC was a genius move IMO.

Too much media in Edmonton now and it's like everyone wants to be the first to have a story. That whole Cult of Hockey on the Journal is bad news to me. People see it's from the Edmonton Journal so they just suspect that those guys know what they are talking about. Wanye didn't help his cause on ON with Smyth either.
- Lahey

I'm not really a huge fan of ON.

Wanye - is a tool most of the time (think gretzky)
Brownlee - is a grumpy old fart (white version of Pilgor)
Lowetide - is what he is (toned down LB)
Gregor & Willis - not a fan of either one (would love to see them fight to the death)

I'm thinking this is Why Cloutier is not a GM. If Edmonton wants Murray then they risk alot by not selecting him 1st overall unless that deal is for Columbus to move up.

If Edmonton drops to 4 then here is no gurantee that Murray is even left on the board. Montreal does have the 3rd pick and I think they want Galchenyuk but is Yakupov and Galchenuyk are chosen 1-2 then Timmens is the type of guy who choses the best player in the draft and not a player that fills a void.

as such Grigorenko will not be chosen. My guess is that it would be down to Murray or Dumba despite having a bunch of good D-prspects in the pipeline.

If Edmonton wants Murray then either take him at 1 or slide to #2 and make a deal with Columbus. But Columbus will not give up much if they know Edmonto doesn't want Yakupov.
- willey101

In 2002, when Florida traded down the 1st overall to pick Bouwmeester at #3, they traded a 3rd and a 2003 4th to Atlanta for a promise they would not select Bouwmeester 2nd overall. Montreal's asking price could be higher, but it's not unheard of that such a promise trade could occur.

We do that and snag Schultz and we'really looking pretty dece on the blueline. Don't think it happens but I like it. Sadly, leaves us hurting at the C position. Dunno..
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Exactly. No point in filling one hole if we end up creating another big one. The only way I would deal Gagner is if the plan was to switch Hall to center which would be dumb or if we used one of the picks we received to draft Galchenyuk.

A least you have options. Having Murray play at the WC was a genius move IMO.
- willey101

I still think Murray could make the jump to the NHL and help out our team big time.

A least you have options. Having Murray play at the WC was a genius move IMO.
- willey101

Yeah, I think it was posturing. You're more likely to see deals for the 1st overall come out of the woodwork if you act like you're seriously interested in a guy not rated 1st.

We do that and snag Schultz and we'really looking pretty dece on the blueline. Don't think it happens but I like it. Sadly, leaves us hurting at the C position. Dunno..
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I hear Marty Reasoner can be had cheap.

In 2002, when Florida traded down the 1st overall to pick Bouwmeester at #3, they traded a 3rd and a 2003 4th to Atlanta for a promise they would not select Bouwmeester 2nd overall. Montreal's asking price could be higher, but it's not unheard of that such a promise trade could occur.
- Morris

It is certainly possible but there would have to be compensation like you mentioned. So perhaps MTL skips Murray for a 3rd and 4th and goes right Forsberg or Faksa perhaps?

In regards to drafting a D-man this year. What type do the Oilers need?

Reilly - Offensive Wiz
Murray - Steady Eddie
Dumba - Clear the track here comes...Dumba?

I'm not really a huge fan of ON.

Wanye - is a tool most of the time (think gretzky)
Brownlee - is a grumpy old fart (white version of Pilgor)
Lowetide - is what he is (toned down LB)
Gregor & Willis - not a fan of either one (would love to see them fight to the death)
- Starbuck

I like Gregor the best. Willis and Lowetide really are the same. Wanye really brings nothing. Brownlee I hate, but he gets some good articles from time to time. His last one was pretty good on Reinhart, Moroz and Samullesson.

I agree... If we want Murray, the only team I'd trade with is Columbus.
- laughs2907

Agreed, if you swap picks with Montreal or New York then Columbus might draft Murray and if that is the case you might as well take Yakupov.

But would Columbus really want the first overall pick to take Yakupov? Would they really give up a significant piece just so they could draft a Russian instead of Murray?

Exactly. No point in filling one hole if we end up creating another big one. The only way I would deal Gagner is if the plan was to switch Hall to center which would be dumb or if we used one of the picks we received to draft Galchenyuk.
- freelancer

Depends though. Look at Gilbert for Schultz, worked so far.

In regards to drafting a D-man this year. What type do the Oilers need?

Reilly - Offensive Wiz
Murray - Steady Eddie
Dumba - Clear the track here comes...Dumba?
- kelholtz

We need Chris Pronger, but I don't think there is one in this draft.

Agreed, if you swap picks with Montreal or New York then Columbus might draft Murray and if that is the case you might as well take Yakupov.

But would Columbus really want the first overall pick to take Yakupov? Would they really give up a significant piece just so they could draft a Russian instead of Murray?
- Sharks_12

I think the #1 pick for CBJ means more about the pick itself than who they take. #1 overall they can sell to their fans as the saviour/new face of the franchise. While they can do this with #2 and potentially get the same guy that they would at one, it wouldn't have that marketing to go with it.

Depends though. Look at Gilbert for Schultz, worked so far.
- Lahey

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point or you missed mine. In the Gilbert for Schultz trade we moved an offensive d man for a defensive one, good lateral move IMO. But if we created some type of package involving Gagner for another pick and didn't draft a center we don't have anyone who can fill that hole right now.

We need Chris Pronger, but I don't think there is one in this draft.
- Lahey

I have it on good authority that Reinhart is the next Pronger.

***useless piece of information***

When I bought NHL 2000 for my playstation back in the day. I would drive my friends nuts by picking the Blues and using Pronger to walk the blueline while winding up for a slap shot, it was a sure fire goal every time.

Pronger once cracked 200 goals in a season

We need Chris Pronger, but I don't think there is one in this draft.
- Lahey

The sad reality is there is a better defensive prospect (not better than pronger but this year's prospects) next year... Seth Jones

I have it on good authority that Reinhart is the next Pronger.

***useless piece of information***

When I bought NHL 2000 for my playstation back in the day. I would drive my friends nuts by picking the Blues and using Pronger to walk the blueline while winding up for a slap shot, it was a sure fire goal every time.

Pronger once cracked 200 goals in a season
- Starbuck

This is going back but I remember NHL 94 on genesis. I once beat the computer 100-2 in a single game. Because joke of a game to score on.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point or you missed mine. In the Gilbert for Schultz trade we moved an offensive d man for a defensive one, good lateral move IMO. But if we created some type of package involving Gagner for another pick and didn't draft a center we don't have anyone who can fill that hole right now.
- freelancer

Well technically moving Gilbert was creating a hole as we now need a d-man with some offense.

I have it on good authority that Reinhart is the next Pronger.

***useless piece of information***

When I bought NHL 2000 for my playstation back in the day. I would drive my friends nuts by picking the Blues and using Pronger to walk the blueline while winding up for a slap shot, it was a sure fire goal every time.

Pronger once cracked 200 goals in a season
- Starbuck

I made a guy on NHL 97 or something that was the tallest and fattest you can make him. Put shot accuracy and shot power to make and could score from my goal line. Problem was the (frank)er couldn't back check worth poop.

The sad reality is there is a better defensive prospect (not better than pronger but this year's prospects) next year... Seth Jones
- kelholtz

I'll have to see it to believe it. This year was suppose to be chalk full of franchise or high end d-man now I don't know that there is one franchise d-man to be had.

It is certainly possible but there would have to be compensation like you mentioned. So perhaps MTL skips Murray for a 3rd and 4th and goes right Forsberg or Faksa perhaps?
- willey101

Yeah personally I think florida trading the 1st overall + a 3rd and a 4th for the right to take a lesser player (in terms of pre-draft ranking and post draft accomplishments) and getting literally nothing in return is perhaps the worst GM move of all time. Like, less tactical than the Kessel trade or the Dipietro signing.

So though that's what it would take, I think it'd be moronic. If the oilers traded down to 4th, I would at least hope the Isles were the ones that forked over the picks to MTL to keep them from drafting Murray.

How about van gives you Schneider and edler and you send the hall and teubert. You guys finally get get a goalie and a god dman then you can draft yakapov to replace hall. Both teams win

I'll have to see it to believe it. This year was suppose to be chalk full of franchise or high end d-man now I don't know that there is one franchise d-man to be had.
- Lahey

Just a bunch of Tom Gilberts

I'll have to see it to believe it. This year was suppose to be chalk full of franchise or high end d-man now I don't know that there is one franchise d-man to be had.
- Lahey

Who is Klefbom comparable to?