Came out crying about the Oilers jerking Smyth around. Then we find out the Oilers were talking and offered him a two year deal.
- Lahey

Yeah, I remember reading something like that.

Maybe if I shat out a giraffe tonight.
- gomerbull

That would be kinda cool to see.....keep your cell phone within reach so you can shoot that video.

Or Mad Men or Game Of Thrones
- TheTaoOfSemenko

GoT is the best show on television.....

Apparently Hunter is done as the Caps coach. Purely theoretical but who thinks he would do well with the Oil?

Apparently Hunter is done as the Caps coach. Purely theoretical but who thinks he would do well with the Oil?
- freelancer

Tough to say. I thought he would've been better in WSH to be honest.

David Staples story might disagree. Keep in mind Stauffer works for the Oilers and part of his job is to put out fires.
- Maxbone

probably already covered, but this is from Staples article now,

"Correction: The original post had Kevin Lowe saying Murray was “the top player,” which is how I heard the tape of Lowe’s interview with Oilers now radio host Bob Stauffer.

But I am now persuaded that I was incorrect and that Lowe said Murray was “a top player.”

It’s not completely clear what Lowe said as the word is muffled, partly due to technological issues. Lowe was speaking over a phone from Finland. The sound quality of the recording isn’t perfect. I’ve sent Lowe an email to see if he’ll clarify.

All that said, I heard a tape of a radio interview, not the call from Finland itself. Stauffer heard that. His version of what Lowe said has to be considered more reliable than what any of us heard on the tape. Stauffer says he heard “a top player” and it certainly sounds like that could be the case when you listen to the tape.

My mistake."

Apparently Hunter is done as the Caps coach. Purely theoretical but who thinks he would do well with the Oil?
- freelancer

Not me.

I always seem to come to these threads late...

First of all, to everyone saying Yakupov for Murray + Strome... Note that Cloutier said a second asset from the oilers would be necessary, and Marincin/Klefbom are certainly not assets to turn your nose up at.

Second, "a top prospect".

Third, trades involving Hall are ridiculous. Especially if you're talking about a franchise that gets the (undeserved) rep of jerking their players around. The same people saying Tambs is a moron for not trading one of our young forwards for d help are going to be telling us how little we value our players, trading them so soon after they've been drafted. It's a video game idea to trade a former #1 pick with two successful seasons under his belt. And by successful, I mean completely on par with past 1st overalls except in terms of being healthy.

Word has it that the KHL (CSKA) is making a pitch to Grigorenko... That could change the landscape a little for the top 5 picks...

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...ge-prospects-draft-stock/

I'm thinking this is Why Cloutier is not a GM. If Edmonton wants Murray then they risk alot by not selecting him 1st overall unless that deal is for Columbus to move up.

If Edmonton drops to 4 then here is no gurantee that Murray is even left on the board. Montreal does have the 3rd pick and I think they want Galchenyuk but is Yakupov and Galchenuyk are chosen 1-2 then Timmens is the type of guy who choses the best player in the draft and not a player that fills a void.

as such Grigorenko will not be chosen. My guess is that it would be down to Murray or Dumba despite having a bunch of good D-prspects in the pipeline.

If Edmonton wants Murray then either take him at 1 or slide to #2 and make a deal with Columbus. But Columbus will not give up much if they know Edmonto doesn't want Yakupov.

Word has it that the KHL (CSKA) is making a pitch to Grigorenko... That could change the landscape a little for the top 5 picks...

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...ge-prospects-draft-stock/
- kelholtz

He'll slip like Kuznetsov if he signs there.

I'm thinking this is Why Cloutier is not a GM. If Edmonton wants Murray then they risk alot by not selecting him 1st overall unless that deal is for Columbus to move up.

If Edmonton drops to 4 then here is no gurantee that Murray is even left on the board. Montreal does have the 3rd pick and I think they want Galchenyuk but is Yakupov and Galchenuyk are chosen 1-2 then Timmens is the type of guy who choses the best player in the draft and not a player that fills a void.

as such Grigorenko will not be chosen. My guess is that it would be down to Murray or Dumba despite having a bunch of good D-prspects in the pipeline.

If Edmonton wants Murray then either take him at 1 or slide to #2 and make a deal with Columbus. But Columbus will not give up much if they know Edmonto doesn't want Yakupov.
- willey101

I agree... If we want Murray, the only team I'd trade with is Columbus.

He'll slip like Kuznetsov if he signs there.
- Jack-artist

I mentioned it in Huddle's blog, I don't think he slips anymore on teams draft ranking then he already did.

I'm thinking this is Why Cloutier is not a GM. If Edmonton wants Murray then they risk alot by not selecting him 1st overall unless that deal is for Columbus to move up.

If Edmonton drops to 4 then here is no gurantee that Murray is even left on the board. Montreal does have the 3rd pick and I think they want Galchenyuk but is Yakupov and Galchenuyk are chosen 1-2 then Timmens is the type of guy who choses the best player in the draft and not a player that fills a void.

as such Grigorenko will not be chosen. My guess is that it would be down to Murray or Dumba despite having a bunch of good D-prspects in the pipeline.

If Edmonton wants Murray then either take him at 1 or slide to #2 and make a deal with Columbus. But Columbus will not give up much if they know Edmonto doesn't want Yakupov.
- willey101

But in that case Grogorenko probably is the best player at that spot. Unless of course he signs with CSKA, then it's understandable.

probably already covered, but this is from Staples article now,

"Correction: The original post had Kevin Lowe saying Murray was “the top player,” which is how I heard the tape of Lowe’s interview with Oilers now radio host Bob Stauffer.

But I am now persuaded that I was incorrect and that Lowe said Murray was “a top player.”

It’s not completely clear what Lowe said as the word is muffled, partly due to technological issues. Lowe was speaking over a phone from Finland. The sound quality of the recording isn’t perfect. I’ve sent Lowe an email to see if he’ll clarify.

All that said, I heard a tape of a radio interview, not the call from Finland itself. Stauffer heard that. His version of what Lowe said has to be considered more reliable than what any of us heard on the tape. Stauffer says he heard “a top player” and it certainly sounds like that could be the case when you listen to the tape.

My mistake."

- Yak T

What a (frank)ing moron.

But in that case Grogorenko probably is the best player at that spot. Unless of course he signs with CSKA, then it's understandable.
- Jack-artist

No. I've seen the kid play 4 times.....he's overhyped and not he type of player the Habs normally select. They usually go with character guys and the best guy on the board. Grigorenko is slipping all the time plus this news of Moscow wanting him would under value him even more.

If was a betting man I would say the Habs select Galchenuyk if he is there and if not then it's Murray.

I mentioned it in Huddle's blog, I don't think he slips anymore on teams draft ranking then he already did.
- Lahey

Yeah, I guess it depends on how far he slipped in the first place.

I agree... If we want Murray, the only team I'd trade with is Columbus.
- laughs2907

I don't see Columbus offering up anything what Cloutier thinks. I mean if I am Howsen I would OK....he's trading down so you know he is not taking Yakupov......simple as that. Offer maybe a 3rd with the 1st overall.

I don;t see Columbus offering up anything what Cloutier thinks. I mean if I am Howsen I would OK....he's trading down so you know he is not taking Yakupov......simple as that. Offer maybe a 3rd with the 1st overall.
- willey101

This is wy the rational amongst us keep saying theyre not trading that pick. They probably wont be offered enough to makeit worthwhile or feasible. So they take Yakupov, and if he plays up to the expectations, his value goes up exponentially. Its this scenario why 1st overalls are almost never moved.

This is wy the rational amongst us keep saying theyre not trading that pick. They probably wont be offered enough to makeit worthwhile or feasible. So they take Yakupov, and if he plays up to the expectations, his value goes up exponentially. Its this scenario why 1st overalls are almost never moved.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Other scenario would be to simply take Yakupov and then deal from a position of strength. Eberle, Hall, Yakupov and RNH are building blocks but what would a team offer up in terms of D prospects for Gagner, MPS for instance?

Maybe the answer is to help out Columbus with scoring ASAP by offering say Gagner, MPS and a 2nd for the 2nd overall pick to land both Murray and Yakupov?

I don't see Columbus offering up anything what Cloutier thinks. I mean if I am Howsen I would OK....he's trading down so you know he is not taking Yakupov......simple as that. Offer maybe a 3rd with the 1st overall.
- willey101

Pretty much. The only real value in trading down if it we are looking at moving 5 spots down or so, but that's not really the best idea either.

I don't see Columbus offering up anything what Cloutier thinks. I mean if I am Howsen I would OK....he's trading down so you know he is not taking Yakupov......simple as that. Offer maybe a 3rd with the 1st overall.
- willey101

Depends on how big of a hard-on Lowe has for Murray... If it's not HUGE, I wouldn't do that deal. I'd draft Yakupov, and roll two dangerous lines. I'd see how that went... If it worked out, that's great... If not, I'd trade one of the Fantastic 4 for a young, proven d-man.

Other scenario would be to simply take Yakupov and then deal from a position of strength. Eberle, Hall, Yakupov and RNH are building blocks but what would a team offer up in terms of D prospects for Gagner, MPS for instance?

Maybe the answer is to help out Columbus with scoring ASAP by offering say Gagner, MPS and a 2nd for the 2nd overall pick to land both Murray and Yakupov?
- willey101

We do that and snag Schultz and we'really looking pretty dece on the blueline. Don't think it happens but I like it. Sadly, leaves us hurting at the C position. Dunno..

We do that and snag Schultz and we'really looking pretty dece on the blueline. Don't think it happens but I like it. Sadly, leaves us hurting at the C position. Dunno..
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Horcoff is capable of 20+ a night

Pretty much. The only real value in trading down if it we are looking at moving 5 spots down or so, but that's not really the best idea either.
- Lahey

Depends.....this is a D heavy draft. Murray is a the cream of the crop but Dumba will go top 6-7 as well perhaps. Add Riely and Trouba and you have 4 D-men going top 9 IMO. So depending on what a team would offer for that 1st overall.