IMO Carter & Richards impact has been far less than Quick & Brown's...and those guys have been there for a while.
- Pen15

Carters impact has been huge for this team. What Im trying to say is... the past couple years, we have tried to get Brad Richards, Ilya Kovalchuck(sp) and focused just on those players... while other good players were signed by other teams. And I hate that. But Willie Mitchell? Huge for this team. He was never a big free agent name?

Gardiner is not overrated....but he has only played 1 full season...if he keeps up the pace, he'll be a top 2 guy....just as if Stall keeps up his pace he'll be a #1 guy
- Pen15

You don't have to sell me on Gardiner. For all the stuff I post on Toronto players, I'm a fan of his.

You would think the Habs would be more interested in Staal than Kane.

Just sayin'.....
- ehabs9

Pacioretty & Gorges for Staal, Lovejoy, and a 2nd

Habs get the big center that they need, plus a solid 3/4 defenseman

Penguins get a physical scoring winger for Crosby and a shutdown D-man

Reimer started off great, and after that hit to his head (thank you Gionta), he never regained his form.
- acresd

I never thought it looked that bad (the hit that is), but it definitely screwed over his season.

Funny thing is Sid was not even in game shape and put up over PPG. Better than any Leaf? Haha
- PensMalkin71

Yes....congrats....you guys won a lottery and got the best player in the world...

Rocket science I tells ya!

Staal is not currently better than any teams number 1 center. He is an average number 2 player with his numbers. Playing on Pittsburg with Crosby out this year he didn't have huge points. I don't think I would trade Horcoff for him and Horcoff played 3rd line minutes on the 29th finishing team but had similiar numbers. He will be a career 50 pt player and that is worth 3 mill a year and a 3/4 dman if a team is looking do dump salary. Maybe a second round pick. He had potential but you have to call a spade a spade, he hasn't improved over the years.
- bsteinley

Staal is better than at least 5 teams' #1 center. Toronto, Columbus, Calgary, Florida and Montreal. He's arguably better than any center on two teams currently still in the playoffs: New Jersey and Phoenix.

Pacioretty & Gorges for Staal, Lovejoy, and a 2nd

Habs get the big center that they need, plus a solid 3/4 defenseman

Penguins get a physical scoring winger for Crosby and a shutdown D-man
- cap1681

Haven't seen Lovejoy play so I can't say anything.

I would prefer to send them a good D prospect and then supplement it through this years draft. Although I suppose that doesn't help Pittsburgh next year.

Haven't seen Lovejoy play so I can't say anything.

I would prefer to send them a good D prospect and then supplement it through this years draft. Although I suppose that doesn't help Pittsburgh next year.
- ehabs9

I would consider changing the 2nd to a 1st. I have always thought Gorges would look good in a Pens sweater

Yes....congrats....you guys won a lottery and got the best player in the world...

Rocket science I tells ya!
- Pen15

I'm still convinced it was fixed, given that they were about to lose the team

I never thought it looked that bad (the hit that is), but it definitely screwed over his season.
- ehabs9

As a goalie, I know how those hits play in your head. You always think about those afterwards. It would not surprise me if he was thinking about it a lot, and not wanting a second concussion.

Yes....congrats....you guys won a lottery and got the best player in the world...

Rocket science I tells ya!
- Pen15

Oh well, as long as we win Cups. You guys haven't won one since '67.

I would like to see him in a Blues jersey.

I would consider changing the 2nd to a 1st. I have always thought Gorges would look good in a Pens sweater
- cap1681

Definitely an underrated player, mostly because you don't see what he brings unless you actually watch Habs games.

Would be tough to pull the trigger on though, Habs aren't exactly a stable defensive team

I'm still convinced it was fixed, given that they were about to lose the team
- ehabs9

Of course it was

Definitely an underrated player, mostly because you don't see what he brings unless you actually watch Habs games.

Would be tough to pull the trigger on though, Habs aren't exactly a stable defensive team
- ehabs9

You can have Martin too if you want

No thanks, I'm not taking Kulemin who went from 30 to 7 in goals. He was a one year wonder.
- PensMalkin71

He'll rebound this year, guaranteed. He's a talented two-way forward. This season was a blip in the radar. He would flourish in Pittsburgh.....he put up solid numbers playing with Geno in Russia.

Oh well, as long as we win Cups. You guys haven't won one since '67.
- PensMalkin71

Oh that was f23king original...thanks for exposing your simple insecure mind

staal martin and tk to edm for 1st this yr, 2nd next yr and omark

Oh that was f23king original...thanks for exposing your simple insecure mind
- JIMI-JAMES

Talking about original after saying the draft lottery was "fixed". Pot, meet kettle

Gardiner + TOR 1st still on the table...
- Pen15

*breaks the table and sets it on fire*

You can have Martin too if you want
- cap1681

That wouldn't be too bad if he bounced back after those playoffs (not sure what his season was like this year).


I doubt the Habs make any big moves though to be honest. Their best bet right now is to look within and wait on development, and based on what Bergevin's said so far that seems to be where they're headed.

Staal would be nice though

staal martin and tk to edm for 1st this yr, 2nd next yr and omark
- nh4442

I'm surprised you didn't work Hemsky into that deal

Gardiner + TOR 1st still on the table...
- Pen15

No, it isn't.

It's highly debatable whether or not Staal can be a true #1.

I'd rather keep the potential of Gardiner and our pick.

Highly doubt Staal goes anywhere, especially in the off season. A FAR better option is to experiment (with permanent intention) to have Malkin/Crosby/Staal either rotate playing C/W on the top 2 lines, or to permanently move one of them to the wing (likely Malkin) - where the pens could also use some help. So that would solve the problem nicely For instance,

Kunitz - Crosby - Malkin
Neal - Staal - Kennedy

If Tangradi continues developing he could take over Kennedy's spot, and then we move Kennedy to 3rd line or trade him. We could get a good 4-5-6 D with grit for him. Dupuis could play instead of Kennedy as well, but I like him better on the 3rd line.

staal martin and tk to edm for 1st this yr, 2nd next yr and omark
- nh4442

Gagner or Horcoff would probably have to come back.