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Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

May 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
Does anyone think that Bryz might have to be better conditioned than he may have been this year? Maybe work on some of the technical aspects of the position? Do the Flyers have the right goaltending coach? Look what Burke has done for Mike Smith in Phoenix.
- drajf0429

Maybe, but the jury is still out on Smith. Look at what Reese did for Leighton, or what people were saying back in 2010.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
[ignorant sl*t]
- Don'tForgetTocchet

funny, but nah
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 11 @ 1:23 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God

no tomato in carbonara


Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
funny, but nah
- Crimsoninja


bizzare
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 11 @ 1:24 PM ET
Hello all. I had been banned. By my wife. Once the PO are over, I have to give her some attention, since I am so vital to the teams success(her words with eyes rolled) . I think the season was a successful one. I am equally excited about the future. I love how Bryz played better each round. He got passed the first round for the first time. Now work on the second next year. I'm not one for keeping Carle, however, if he is really cheap then go for it. I think our D will be sweet next year if you can add a stud. Hopefully Mezz stays healthy.

Grossmann-Coburn
Kimmo-Stud
Carle-Mezz

Could be some good stuff. Add a dman and maybe another sniping winger. This team really doesn't need much.

Harts-G-V
Simmer-Danny-Sniper
JVR-Schenner-Talbot
Rinaldo-Cooter-Wellwood

Future looks good. As long as Bryz puts in the work to be better, which I think he will, good teams only tinker to become great teams. Even if we have to trade JVR to get something for D, Homer will makes us much better.

- Deasr1



Carle even if he signs for under market value, is not going to be really cheap. And the Flyers aren't going to get both a stud defenseman and a sniper. They don't need a sniper anyway.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

May 11 @ 1:27 PM ET
Carle even if he signs for under market value, is not going to be really cheap. And the Flyers aren't going to get both a stud defenseman and a sniper. They don't need a sniper anyway.
- MJL

Yeah, I thought about that. We don't need one. I just think we are a stud man away from making things very interesting.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 11 @ 1:28 PM ET
no tomato in carbonara



- Marc D



Well played Mauer, well played....

Except, that tomato isn't for Carbonara. It's for Skip
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 11 @ 1:29 PM ET
Okay so I found the NHL guidelines on a player being considered a rookie,

To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.


For discussion purposes I'm referring back to my question about whether Sestito was a rookie this year.
Now since it says a player who has played in 6 or more games in any two previous seasons is not a rookie, doesn't that mean Schenn was not a rookie either?
Thanks for the help.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 11 @ 1:30 PM ET


Well played Mauer, well played....

Except, that tomato isn't for Carbonara. It's for Skip

- Giroux_Is_God

we have sunk to throwing rotten fruit (or is it a vegetable?) at our beloved Amish Danny

that is a new low even for HB
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
Sheri Oteri

#3?

- Crimsoninja

i'd put wiig and poehler ahead of her
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 11 @ 1:34 PM ET
i'd put wiig and poehler ahead of her
- aightwebang17

wiig i just learned of in Bridesmaids, never even seen her on SNL

but really.. poehler > oteri? i must humbly disagree
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 11 @ 1:34 PM ET
Carle even if he signs for under market value, is not going to be really cheap. And the Flyers aren't going to get both a stud defenseman and a sniper. They don't need a sniper anyway.
- MJL


I'm all for depth, but by my count, the Flyers already have 10 top-9 forwards heading into next season -- minus Jagr. That's also not taking into consideration any other kids that might stop up this year, a la Read and Couturier.

There is an opening for a solid 4th line center who can kill penalties and win face-offs. But that's a luxury at this point, not a need.

I'd be focusing on a blue line upgrade/addition of some kind. Without Pronger, there's only five NHL defenseman who I feel comfortable rolling out in the playoffs (Lilja would be #6, but my comfort level with him is not high). Gustafsson and Bourdon may take additional strides in their development, but that's no slam dunk, because their ceilings were never all that high to begin with.

I'd like to re-sign Carle, and another NHL defenseman and call it a day.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 11 @ 1:35 PM ET
we have sunk to throwing rotten fruit (or is it a vegetable?) at our beloved Amish Danny

that is a new low even for HB

- Marc D

I'm Amish too, apparently...born and raised in Lancaster

But you're wrong. Clearly, the only true vegetable is pizza. Duh
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 11 @ 1:36 PM ET
Okay so I found the NHL guidelines on a player being considered a rookie,

To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.


For discussion purposes I'm referring back to my question about whether Sestito was a rookie this year.
Now since it says a player who has played in 6 or more games in any two previous seasons is not a rookie, doesn't that mean Schenn was not a rookie either?
Thanks for the help.

- JoeRussomanno


This was Schenn and Sestito's rookie seasons.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 11 @ 1:38 PM ET
Okay so I found the NHL guidelines on a player being considered a rookie,

To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.


For discussion purposes I'm referring back to my question about whether Sestito was a rookie this year.
Now since it says a player who has played in 6 or more games in any two previous seasons is not a rookie, doesn't that mean Schenn was not a rookie either?
Thanks for the help.

- JoeRussomanno



the NOR is key there?

god only knows.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 11 @ 1:38 PM ET
Homer's optimism at re signing Carle has me wondering if they really would go after another D man. I was thinking he was going to be too expensive and they would need to replace him.

If Carle comes back do you go into next season with Kimmo, Coburn, Carle, Meszaros, Grossmann with Gusty/Bourdon/Lilja as the 6th-8th guys?

It sounds like Kimmo will be back and the rest of the core is already under contracts?

Would you be satisfied with Carle back and no other major changes made on D?

Would a healthy Mez give them better threat from the blue line?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 11 @ 1:39 PM ET
I'm all for depth, but by my count, the Flyers already have 10 top-9 forwards heading into next season -- minus Jagr. That's also not taking into consideration any other kids that might stop up this year, a la Read and Couturier.

There is an opening for a solid 4th line center who can kill penalties and win face-offs. But that's a luxury at this point, not a need.

I'd be focusing on a blue line upgrade/addition of some kind. Without Pronger, there's only five NHL defenseman who I feel comfortable rolling out in the playoffs (Lilja would be #6, but my comfort level with him is not high). Gustafsson and Bourdon may take additional strides in their development, but that's no slam dunk, because their ceilings were never all that high to begin with.

I'd like to re-sign Carle, and another NHL defenseman and call it a day.

- bradleyc4

That would be ideal. I think if we could add a guy like Jason Garrison it would make for a very skilled top 6
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 11 @ 1:39 PM ET
I'm Amish too, apparently...born and raised in Lancaster

But you're wrong. Clearly, the only true vegetable is pizza. Duh

- Giroux_Is_God

Wait, pizza is a vegetable now? Sweet, my lunch just got way healthier.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 11 @ 1:39 PM ET
This was Schenn and Sestito's rookie seasons.
- bradleyc4

That's what I thought but someone told me it wasn't because Sestito signed a deal back in 07 with CBJ. Also I saw how the rule says that a player cannot have exceeded 6 games in any two previous seasons. Sestito and Schenn both played more than six but less than 25. I always thought when they hit the 25 mark that was when they are not a rookie or aged past 26.

Which brings me back to Schenn he did play more than 6 games the previous season so the way that rule reads or at least how I interpret it, he's not a rookie. Or am I just misreading that thing. Gosh the NHL makes some dumb rules imo.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 11 @ 1:40 PM ET
I'm all for depth, but by my count, the Flyers already have 10 top-9 forwards heading into next season -- minus Jagr. That's also not taking into consideration any other kids that might stop up this year, a la Read and Couturier.

There is an opening for a solid 4th line center who can kill penalties and win face-offs. But that's a luxury at this point, not a need.

I'd be focusing on a blue line upgrade/addition of some kind. Without Pronger, there's only five NHL defenseman who I feel comfortable rolling out in the playoffs (Lilja would be #6, but my comfort level with him is not high). Gustafsson and Bourdon may take additional strides in their development, but that's no slam dunk, because their ceilings were never all that high to begin with.

I'd like to re-sign Carle, and another NHL defenseman and call it a day.

- bradleyc4

A 5-6 guy, or someone who could play top four, PP, right handed shot (big money) type guy?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 11 @ 1:40 PM ET
the NOR is key there.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

not sure what you mean by NOR.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 11 @ 1:42 PM ET
That would be ideal. I think if we could add a guy like Jason Garrison it would make for a very skilled top 6
- jak521


Tallon has suitcases of money to work with, I doubt he lets Garrison get away.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 11 @ 1:42 PM ET
not sure what you mean by NOR.
- JoeRussomanno



i just edited myself reading it again, when i first read it i was interpreting it as having to meet either of the criteria not both of the criteria

now i just have no idea why it's worded like that
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 11 @ 1:42 PM ET
I'm Amish too, apparently...born and raised in Lancaster

But you're wrong. Clearly, the only true vegetable is pizza. Duh

- Giroux_Is_God



I had no idea the Amish worship Giroux as their lord.
That is way cool.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 11 @ 1:43 PM ET
A 5-6 guy, or someone who could play top four, PP, right handed shot (big money) type guy?
- Marc D


A guy capable of 2nd pair duty, but would initially be slated for the 3rd pairing, if all else are healthy.

It would also be a good way to help control Kimmo's minutes throughout the season.
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