Great read, so true, sorry if Leight


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- aosplayo

I'm as excited as I have ever been for this team. I will eagerly anticipate the draft, July 1st and anything else that happens this summer. Honestly, with the emergence of Giroux, the potential of guys like Schenn, Couturier and Voracek, there's as much reason to be excited for this team as ever.

I agree that Bryzgalov will be fine. As far as playoff track record, Bryzgalov does own the second longest shutout streak in NHL playoff history. He's had ups and downs like anyone, but he played solidly against the Devils, and nobody's sure how his foot or other rumored injuries affected him.
- Jsaquella

I really think if the Flyers play tight defensively more like the remaining teams in the playoffs, they could not only make Bryzgalov look a lot better but also be the best team in the league. The offense is there, they need to prioritize defending.

If i'm Lavy this summer I look at these abhorrent coverage breakdowns and think long and hard about how as a Coach I can simplify or adjust things so these players defend better. They have more than enough firepower to be a counter-attack team. I think Lavy is as smart and good as a coach there is and don't see a reason he can't get this thing going. A stronger commitment to defending and this team could be advancing, imo at least.

Just to clarify I would never move JVR for Clutterbuck.

However JVR's value isn't as high as some believe imo. The organization can of course keep him for the time being and let his value rise, but again there is no real sure bet with any players these days.

If I am dealing JVR it is for solid picks, and players, like Clutterbuck.

You only deal JVR if you get decent value of course. However his value is where it is for a reason.
- flyer_nutter

Chris Stewart landed Colorado a top young defenseman, who projects as a future number 1 guy and he had been as inconsistent as JvR without the injury troubles that plagued JvR this past season.

The flyers had a pretty great year all things considered. Riddled by injuries, 1/3 of the team consists of rookies, new goalie and completely new look upfront. I'll take this year as a success. I think next year they will take 2 steps forward. Great job by Laviolette toget his rookies involved from the Beginning. I think he accelerated their development by trusting them all year in key moments. Next year these guys will feel like veterans out there after what they did this season.

not to disagree with you, but is there an actual gauge on what his value is? I think any Gm that is offered JVR in trade package would be foolish to not at least consider it.
- JoeRussomanno

I have no idea, this is just speculation on my part.

What would you think he is worth?

Just for fun as Clutterbuck is one of my targets, the Wild are picking 7th this season...

I'm as excited as I have ever been for this team. I will eagerly anticipate the draft, July 1st and anything else that happens this summer. Honestly, with the emergence of Giroux, the potential of guys like Schenn, Couturier and Voracek, there's as much reason to be excited for this team as ever.
- Jsaquella

They are poised to be a perrenial cup contender if they add the right pieces. I'm pumped!

I really think if the Flyers play tight defensively more like the remaining teams in the playoffs, they could not only make Bryzgalov look a lot better but also be the best team in the league. The offense is there, they need to prioritize defending.

If i'm Lavy this summer I look at these abhorrent coverage breakdowns and think long and hard about how as a Coach I can simplify or adjust things so these players defend better. They have more than enough firepower to be a counter-attack team. I think Lavy is as smart and good as a coach there is and don't see a reason he can't get this thing going. A stronger commitment to defending and this team could be advancing, imo at least.
- JoeRussomanno

That was my question before-can Laviolette adjust? The adjustments he made either didn't work, or didn't get executed properly, which means that there's work to be done.

I have no idea, this is just speculation on my part.

What would you think he is worth?

Just for fun as Clutterbuck is one of my targets, the Wild are picking 7th this season...
- flyer_nutter

They would have to include that 7th for me to even consider sending them JVR. And most importanly, because it is the much bigger need, I'm looking for a somewhat established young defenseman if I'm dealing JVR. Dealing him for Clutterbuck, even in a package doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Chris Stewart landed Colorado a top young defenseman, who projects as a future number 1 guy and he had been as inconsistent as JvR without the injury troubles that plagued JvR this past season.
- Jsaquella

A part of that deal was Shattenkirk, who I love as a player.

A part of that deal was Shattenkirk, who I love as a player.
- flyer_nutter

Yeah, and a 1st rounder went the other way, too....it wasn't Shattenkirk and Stewart for Johnson. I also like Shattenkirk, but JvR has high value-and if he doesn't get a good return, I wouldn't trade him.

Yeah, and a 1st rounder went the other way, too....it wasn't Shattenkirk and Stewart for Johnson. I also like Shattenkirk, but JvR has high value-and if he doesn't get a good return, I wouldn't trade him.
- Jsaquella

A 2nd rounder also went to the Blues

If they sign Suter, for the projected $7mm, I will be violently pissed. Mainly because by January, he'd be a whipping boy on par with Carle, Bryz and Carter if not worse.

Given the UFA market for defensemen, I think they make a trade.
- Jsaquella

I agree. No need to over pay for Suter. We have so much talent at forward, we cant get them all into the line-up. Might as well trade some of them for a position that we need, instead of letting them rot in the AHL or Juniors. If your going to pay Suter 7, you might as well pay Carle 5.5 and be done with it...

I agree. No need to over pay for Suter. We have so much talent at forward, we cant get them all into the line-up. Might as well trade some of them for a position that we need, instead of letting them rot in the AHL or Juniors. If your going to pay Suter 7, you might as well pay Carle 5.5 and be done with it...
- RooNosHockey

Which players would they be letting rot in the AHL or Juniors?

A 2nd rounder also went to the Blues
- flyer_nutter

What's a 2nd rounder? Holmgren has a rough bowel movement and he trades a 2nd for so Ex-Lax.

Young, big forwards with 20 goal seasons on their resume will have value to teams. There will almost always be a team willing to take the chance.

Foligno, Myers and our Nasville #1 for JVR??

I'd love to see a guy like Erik Johnson. I'm thinking a good young guy, on a second contract, who can grow with the rest of the core of the team.

It might cost JvR or another young forward. But to me that is better than getting locked into another long term, big money deal.

Now, say Timonen retires. Then all bets are off.
- Jsaquella

E.Johnson would be great. I also wouldnt mind Shattenkirk, Gundbransen, Peitreangelo (sp). Maybe you can even try for Fowler... He had a big-time down year last year... I wonder if there would be a way to pry Ryan and Fowler from Anaheim...

E.Johnson would be great. I also wouldnt mind Shattenkirk, Gundbransen, Peitreangelo (sp). Maybe you can even try for Fowler... He had a big-time down year last year... I wonder if there would be a way to pry Ryan and Fowler from Anaheim...
- RooNosHockey

Sure there is a way to pry Ryan and Fowler from Anaheim. Offer them Giroux.

I agree. No need to over pay for Suter. We have so much talent at forward, we cant get them all into the line-up. Might as well trade some of them for a position that we need, instead of letting them rot in the AHL or Juniors. If your going to pay Suter 7, you might as well pay Carle 5.5 and be done with it...
- RooNosHockey

The problem is more the lack of depth in the FA market. There's Suter, Carle, Wideman and Oduya. They are likely to get overpaid by somebody.

I'm not eager to trade JvR or any of the good young forwards. The guys in the AHL and junior are not going to replace what they have in the NHL. I expect Eric Wellwood to lock up a spot, perhaps even Ben Holmstrom or Sestito. But guys like Harry Z, Holmstrom and Sestito are 4th liners. It's not as if there's a 30 goal scorer waiting in Adirondack waiting for a chance.

A trade just makes the most sense in regards to the market, the cap and what the team has on hand.

Foligno, Myers and our Nasville #1 for JVR??
- Ripped Fuel

Done. But Buffalo isn't doing that.

Foligno, Myers and our Nasville #1 for JVR??
- Ripped Fuel

You want me to drive up there and pick them up?

I have no idea, this is just speculation on my part.

What would you think he is worth?

Just for fun as Clutterbuck is one of my targets, the Wild are picking 7th this season...
- flyer_nutter

I think it's really hard to say what hes worth. To team that can barely score I'm sure he's worth tons. However if we're talking about the Rangers or Boston (hypothetically of course) i don' think he's worth as much. Those are teams that imo value two way play. If JVR became a legitimate backchecker, man he'd be worth a king's ransom. He has the skills, just needs a little sandpaper with that smooth. he's still young enough to add a dimension to his game.

Done. But Buffalo isn't doing that.
- MJL

Foligno was on The Fan 590 a few weeks ago and said he always wanted his dad to be a Flyer...

I think it's really hard to say what hes worth. To team that can barely score I'm sure he's worth tons. However if we're talking about the Rangers or Boston (hypothetically of course) i don' think he's worth as much. Those are teams that imo value two way play. If JVR became a legitimate backchecker, man he'd be worth a king's ransom. He has the skills, just needs a little sandpaper with that smooth. he's still young enough to add a dimension to his game.
- JoeRussomanno

He doesn't have to have value to every team...just one

That was my question before-can Laviolette adjust? The adjustments he made either didn't work, or didn't get executed properly, which means that there's work to be done.
- Jsaquella

I guess it's an even split between him and the players. The players have to execute but lavy has to look at this group of players and realize what they can and can't do, despite their phenomenal skill, there is limitations somewhere with each guy. Either way i think if they just defend better this team could be like the Rangers but score more, I mean wasn't that what they were in March?

I guess it's an even split between him and the players. The players have to execute but lavy has to look at this group of players and realize what they can and can't do, despite their phenomenal skill, there is limitations somewhere with each guy. Either way i think if they just defend better this team could be like the Rangers but score more, I mean wasn't that what they were in March?
- JoeRussomanno

Just to play Devil's Advocate, they have had the same issues for a couple years now, despite the radically changed roster.