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77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 10 @ 11:35 PM ET
Well, yeah, if he comes out next year and scores 15 goals and his physical game is inconsistent, then they have to look at moving him.
- Jsaquella


Too often, it's the second team that reap the benefits of a power forward. The team that drafts him gets impatient, moves him, and kick themselves for it later.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 10 @ 11:36 PM ET
Howard Eskin just tweeted that he's hearing 9 Flyers will be going under the knife. Timonen will have back surgery for his disc problems, and JvR will be having hip surgery
- Jsaquella


good lord. it just never (frank)ing ends.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 10 @ 11:37 PM ET
It isn't going to happen, but yes it would come off the books. He was 32 when he signed the contract.
- bmeltzer

Why won't it happen? Word has it that he's gonna need even more surgeries this offseason, and the poor guy is just going to be another year older. Add back problems to this, and it only seems imminent....

With this being said, in no way do I want to see Kimmo hang it up....
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:37 PM ET
Not that I disagree but with a cap world thats how most players are viewed. Is so and so worth that hit?

I think his expectations next season has to be around the 60-65 point mark.

- stveshdy


The cap hit is important, but a guy coming off his EL deal getting a deal that pays him for potential has to be viewed a little differently. That $4.25mm will be a lot for a 23 year old with 23 goals. The Flyers are betting it will be cheap for a 26 year odl with 40 goals
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 10 @ 11:37 PM ET
i didn't say i WANTED to go. who the hell WANTS to go? i just said i WOULD go.
- hammarby31

well to be technical I'd say that individual is doing fine in that habitat but I guess you didn't say you wanted to I just inferred it by the fact what you are in fear of is probably going to be a reality soon
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 10 @ 11:37 PM ET
good lord. it just never (frank)ing ends.
- hammarby31


The Flyers should put a list out of the healthy players that don't need surgery it would probably be shorter.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:38 PM ET
Too often, it's the second team that reap the benefits of a power forward. The team that drafts him gets impatient, moves him, and kicks themselves for it later.
- 77rams


It happens a lot. Cam Neely, LeClair, Nate Horton, Kevin Stevens...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 10 @ 11:39 PM ET
The cap hit is important, but a guy coming off his EL deal getting a deal that pays him for potential has to be viewed a little differently. That $4.25mm will be a lot for a 23 year old with 23 goals. The Flyers are betting it will be cheap for a 26 year odl with 40 goals
- Jsaquella

before the injuries started to pile up in November he was on pace for over 30 goals this season. Kid has the ability that's for sure.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 10 @ 11:39 PM ET
The cap hit is important, but a guy coming off his EL deal getting a deal that pays him for potential has to be viewed a little differently. That $4.25mm will be a lot for a 23 year old with 23 goals. The Flyers are betting it will be cheap for a 26 year odl with 40 goals
- Jsaquella


Once again not that I dont agree with you because I do. However, we all know that Homer isnt very patient and if the Flyers have a need he is willing to cut the string and move on.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 10 @ 11:40 PM ET
good lord. it just never (frank)ing ends.
- hammarby31

Both of which we already knew about.

Who are the other 7??



Listen to me. "Who are the other 7". Are you (frank)ing kidding me??
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 10 @ 11:40 PM ET
It happens a lot. Cam Neely, LeClair, Nate Horton, Kevin Stevens...
- Jsaquella


Iginla, Bertuzzi...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:41 PM ET
before the injuries started to pile up in November he was on pace for over 30 goals this season. Kid has the ability that's for sure.
- JoeRussomanno


He did start out good, but he battled the hip all year. Then the concussion and then the foot...just couldn't catch a break.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 10 @ 11:41 PM ET
Both of which we already knew about.

Who are the other 7??


Listen to me. "Who are the other 7". Are you (frank)ing kidding me??

- Giroux_Is_God



Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:42 PM ET
Once again not that I dont agree with you because I do. However, we all know that Homer isnt very patient and if the Flyers have a need he is willing to cut the string and move on.
- stveshdy


That is true, too. And if I can get a guy like Keith Yandle, I'd be interested in doing so. Nobody is untouchable
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:43 PM ET
Both of which we already knew about.

Who are the other 7??



Listen to me. "Who are the other 7". Are you (frank)ing kidding me??

- Giroux_Is_God


Want a guess?
Grossmann
Briere
Couturier
Kubina
Bryzgalov
Lilja
Jagr
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 10 @ 11:46 PM ET
That is true, too. And if I can get a guy like Keith Yandle, I'd be interested in doing so. Nobody is untouchable
- Jsaquella


I love Keith Yandle. But I was told numerous times on this board that he's not very good defensively which I think is untrue. Just because he doesnt play on the PK doesnt mean he's a liabilty as a defender. I like Yandle a lot and he would help improve this defense instantly.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:49 PM ET
I love Keith Yandle. But I was told numerous times on this board that he's not very good defensively which I think is untrue. Just because he doesnt play on the PK doesnt mean he's a liabilty as a defender. I like Yandle a lot and he would help improve this defense instantly.
- stveshdy


He's improved quite a bit in what I have seen. I have been watching the Yotes in the playoffs, and he's been more than adequate in his own end. A year or two ago, he had some issues, but he's gotten better.

Granted I'm watching him more often now
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 10 @ 11:52 PM ET
He's improved quite a bit in what I have seen. I have been watching the Yotes in the playoffs, and he's been more than adequate in his own end. A year or two ago, he had some issues, but he's gotten better.

Granted I'm watching him more often now

- Jsaquella


From both sides would you do this trade: JvR for Yandle? If not then tell me which team would need to add more and add players you think it would take to complete a deal.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 11:55 PM ET
From both sides would you do this trade: JvR for Yandle? If not then tell me which team would need to add more and add players you think it would take to complete a deal.
- stveshdy


I'd be more likely to do it if I was the Flyers, but it wouldn't take a ton more from the Flyers for me to do it the other way around.

Phoenix does have several good young defensemen, which is part of why I mentioned Yandle in the first place. They could use some scoring up front, too.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 11 @ 12:01 AM ET
I'd be more likely to do it if I was the Flyers, but it wouldn't take a ton more from the Flyers for me to do it the other way around.

Phoenix does have several good young defensemen, which is part of why I mentioned Yandle in the first place. They could use some scoring up front, too.

- Jsaquella


This is a legit trade that I feel can happen. Like you said Phoenix has some talented defenseman in their current system. They could use a scorer like JvR especially when their two best guys are Whitney and Doan who are old.
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

May 11 @ 12:02 AM ET
He did start out good, but he battled the hip all year. Then the concussion and then the foot...just couldn't catch a break.
- Jsaquella

Well technically his foot could
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

May 11 @ 12:05 AM ET
So I was reading all the nonsense before about the amnesty clause they want in the new cba, but let me ask you this. Why is it that only in football do we hear about players renegotiating their contracts to alleviate their cap hits to help the team? Can you do this in hockey, and if not, then why not incorporate that into to cba instead of an amnesty clause.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 11 @ 12:05 AM ET
I'd be more likely to do it if I was the Flyers, but it wouldn't take a ton more from the Flyers for me to do it the other way around.

Phoenix does have several good young defensemen, which is part of why I mentioned Yandle in the first place. They could use some scoring up front, too.

- Jsaquella


I do JVR for Yandle in a heartbeat.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 11 @ 12:09 AM ET
I do JVR for Yandle in a heartbeat.
- mochoson


fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

May 11 @ 12:17 AM ET

- stveshdy

Giggity
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