Nope, nope and nope.



Wow, 70% of his hits were ineffective. That's a nice round number. Care to prove it? What's that you say? You can't and you just pulled that out of your ass? Great. I thought so.



"Wasting" a 5th overall pick on him has NOTHING to do with how he plays and definitely nothing to do with how you compare him to Franson. In fact, it points directly towards your blind hatred of Schenn which is apparent and well documented.

Schenn has been a top four defender. That's a fact. He has potential to return to that form and continue it. Franson has not. That's a fact.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hows it fact? Cause in your world it is?
Ask any knowledgeable hockey fan and about 95% would say schenn is not a top dman on a good team. Its only koolaid drinking laff fans that say he is.
Weird how that is eh?

He was top 4 in Nashville.
- Pen15

Another failure to add to your long and impressive list.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

Hows it fact? Cause in your world it is?
Ask any knowledgeable hockey fan and about 95% would schenn is not a top dman on a good team. Its only koolaid drinking laff fans that say he is.
Weird how that is eh?
- Fakepartofme

In his rookie year, he was 3rd in total ice time and 4th in average ice time. That's a fact and he was a top four defender.

In 2010/2011, he was 1st in total ice time and 2nd in average ice time. That's a fact and he was a top four defender.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...eOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

Accept it.

i can agree with that .... he sure was a bag of donkey ass this year
- The_Vark

Not at all. At the end of the year when they were really struggling, definetly. He had some pretty horrendous giveaways that stand out, but honestly for the first half of the year he was one of the better dmen, somehow he got cast out again this year and became somewhat of a scapegoat.

And each of those years, the leafs were one of the worse defensive teams in the league...no coincidence I suppose.
- Fakepartofme

So it was all Schenn's fault? Not the other defenders, not the fact that he's still in his early 20s, not the sub-par goaltending, not the fault of anybody except Schenn.

How nice.

i can agree with that .... he sure was a bag of donkey ass this year
- The_Vark

Let's put it in perspective....he played top 4 minutes his first year....and was 'decent' for rookie standards....but wouldn't have been a top 4dman on virtually any other team...but showed he had some potential

Then he blew chunks his second year and ppl (including myself) gave him the benefit of the doubt that it was just the sophmore jinx...

His 3rd yr, he played decently...but wouldn't have been a top 4 dman on virtually any other team in the NHL...

And this year....well...this year.

In total...it's been 4yrs...and we are today where we were 4yrs ago....POTENTIAL to be a top 4 dman. I think it's about time people start analyzing the major gaps in his game, instead of preaching about his 'potential'...

In total...it's been 4yrs...and we are today where we were 4yrs ago....POTENTIAL to be a top 4 dman. I think it's about time people start analyzing the major gaps in his game, instead of keep preaching about his 'potential'...
- Pen15

Or maybe people should stop and realize that being a consistent and stable defensive defender at the ages of 19-23 is a lot harder to do than you think it is. It's also a lot harder to do when you play for a horrible team, under a horrible coaching staff, in a horrible system with average or worse goaltending.

- The_Vark

and they say CBC is not pro-Leafs...... They like Schenn

In his rookie year, he was 3rd in total ice time and 4th in average ice time. That's a fact and he was a top four defender.

In 2010/2011, he was 1st in total ice time and 2nd in average ice time. That's a fact and he was a top four defender.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...eOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

Accept it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes...by definition of 'ice time' he was a top four defender his first yr....but that doesn't make him deserving of that position...I think that's your disconnect...and what multiple ppl on this thread are trying to point out to you...

Hopefully he can learn how to skate while he's getting grizzled.
- Unholy_Goalie

Yes...by definition of 'ice time' he was a top four defender his first yr....but that doesn't make him deserving of that position...I think that's your disconnect...and what multiple ppl on this thread are trying to point out to you...
- Pen15

I'm still waiting on what you have to say about Franson being top four in Nashville.

And in his first year, Schenn earned his ice time. He was a 19 year old rookie. They didn't just hand him ice time for the hell of it. He earned it, especially in the first half of that season. He was hitting, blocking shots, fighting and playing against the best players on the other team. He proved he had what it takes to be a top four guy. Franson never has.

Not at all. At the end of the year when they were really struggling, definetly. He had some pretty horrendous giveaways that stand out, but honestly for the first half of the year he was one of the better dmen, somehow he got cast out again this year and became somewhat of a scapegoat.
- Leafland

i recall some really bad giveaways when the leafs where still in the 7-10 range that cost them pints ...... the truth is i'm n ot sure where i stand with schenn ... i think he could turn things around and be good ... but at the same time if the leafs could trade him for somthing else we need i would be ok with that aswell

Another failure to add to your long and impressive list.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...erGame&viewName=timeOnIce
- Unholy_Goalie

Being a top 4 dman involves more than time on ice....

Well done with your research though. You're finally trying to draw upon a resemblance of fact...that's progress for you.

- The_Vark

See the subliminal messages CBC is throwing out there? Huh? (frank)ing brainwashing, good thing most of the leaf fans don't have brains i tells ya.

Or maybe people should stop and realize that being a consistent and stable defensive defender at the ages of 19-23 is a lot harder to do than you think it is. It's also a lot harder to do when you play for a horrible team, under a horrible coaching staff, in a horrible system with average or worse goaltending.
- Unholy_Goalie

That's right...everyone else's fault for Schenn being poop....

See above Leafs nation...this is what I'm talking about when I say we bail this guy out way to much...

Being a top 4 dman involves more than time on ice....
- Pen15

See the subliminal messages CBC is throwing out there? Huh? (frank)ing brainwashing, good thing most of the leaf fans don't have brains i tells ya.
- Prolific_Scorer

*gasp* How dare you

That's right...everyone else's fault for Schenn being poop....

See above Leafs nation...this is what I'm talking about when I say we bail this guy out way to much...
- Pen15

Damn you guys are impatient with young players

i (frank)ing love KYUSS

- Unholy_Goalie

It's all about how much time you put into your community.

I'm still waiting on what you have to say about Franson being top four in Nashville.

And in his first year, Schenn earned his ice time. He was a 19 year old rookie. They didn't just hand him ice time for the hell of it. He earned it, especially in the first half of that season. He was hitting, blocking shots, fighting and playing against the best players on the other team. He proved he had what it takes to be a top four guy. Franson never has.
- Unholy_Goalie

Juri Tlusty, John Mitchell, Justin Pogge, Carlo Coliacovo (sp), Robbie Earl....just to name a few...

Your record speaks for itself...let's just let time decide who's right and who's wrong....

For now..I'm done with you.

Being a top 4 dman involves more than time on ice....

Well done with your research though. You're finally trying to draw upon a resemblance of fact...that's progress for you.
- Pen15

Hate to go all out there on this, but wouldn't more ice time concede the fact whether he is or isn't indeed a top 4 dman? Food for thought i guess?

i recall some really bad giveaways when the leafs where still in the 7-10 range that cost them pints ...... the truth is i'm n ot sure where i stand with schenn ... i think he could turn things around and be good ... but at the same time if the leafs could trade him for somthing else we need i would be ok with that aswell
- The_Vark

Bad giveaways, very bad ones, but his stat line at the mid year point was pretty good. I still remember when he had the best +/- , more points than Gardiner,Franson,Gunnarsson and Liles(in 5-10 less TOI) the least amount of giveaways and most takeaways. All that into February.

i (frank)ing love KYUSS
- The_Vark

Me too.